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I don't believe this article is necessary, especially with this title, and it's hardly NPOV. -- Zoe
- The categorization of white people has certainly had political, social, and historical impact. Too bad this article doesn't cover it. Ortolan88
This topic appears to be similar to Blacks arguing the difference between Egyptians and TutusVera Cruz
- No Blacks is even shorter and messier than this article. The categorization of black people has certainly had political, social, and historical impact. Too bad that article doesn't cover it. Ortolan88
Why is this article claiming white Americans are ethnically Europeans? I have difficulty seeing "white" as being a term in reference to "ethnic descent" rather than racial descent. People of European racial descent are still refered to as being "white" when they are not ethnically European, whereas nobody of African racial descent would be called "white" when ethnically European. The term "white" originated as a racist reference to other Europeans, and in the Americas as in leu of not being black. I still find the term vulgar. (Misplaced Pages is messing up and seems to have attributed someone else's edit to me earlier).
Clearly it is a highly arbitrary social label. Hispanics, Jews, Arabs, Turkics, Persians, Roma, and even some Slavic peoples may or may not be considered "white" based entirely on social perceptions.
Slavs
Everybody calls slavs white, the goshdarn caucus mountains are in slavia ;) Sam Spade 17:35, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
In the late 1800s and early 1900s, many nativist groups denounced Slavic and other Eastern Europeans for being less than "white" (on account of supposed Mongol, Tartar, and Turkic admixture). Plus the Nazis generally saw the Slavs as subhuman. The article is not saying that Slavs are not "white", its stating that not everyone has eagerly welcomed Slavic peoples into the white fold in the past.
"often in racist discourse"
What does this mean: " often in racist discourse"? "Whites" is used routinely any time people talk about demography and social issues in the US, and probably in a lot of other countries, too. It's about as likely to be used in anti-racist discourse as in racist discourse. - Nat Krause 08:26, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- Agreed. I removed it once before, but a certain someone keeps adding it back in again. The person doing this has admitted on several occasions to be biased against Whites, so one might wonder why. Or one might not. - 66.185.84.80
The term used for any formal discussion of race is going to be Caucassian. Casual conversation, however, will use "whites." I've gone ahead and edited to get all of that in. And 66.185.84.80... I would point out that you are on thin ice with the admins already due to suspicions that you're Paul Vogel. I don't think that continuing to make untrue claims about me is going to help your case. Snowspinner 16:04, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
Irrelevant ramblings
- The term is a racist slur IMO. Sam 08:42, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- "White" is? Perhaps you prefer "Pallid-American"? - Nat Krause 08:54, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- I prefer Keltic-Teutonic ;)The focus on skin tone, and poor definition of the term, its derogatory usage and dismisal of the importance of ethnic traditions are all things I reject. I am Irish/German, and have never checked "white" on anything, including the census. That being said, I am extremely abnormal in that respect, and most people (employers, university, etc...) ignore my wishes and check the "white" box on their paperwork. This is of course ideosyncratic original research and has minimal bearing on the article. I don't know anybody else who is offended by the term ;) Sam 09:26, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- An interesting phenomena in the USA which I know from being a pollster is the habit of "redneck" type americans to report as "native american" for surveys. This amuses me to no end, esp. as when questioned they invariably respond w something like "I was born here" or "thats right, I'm an american". This is again original research, and not relevant ;) Sam 10:01, 14 May 2004 (UTC)