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Thanks for your advice. I appreciate it really. However, I think that if you do read it you will notice that 17% IS out of the hate crimes in 2009 which are 7,775.

Here is what the website says: 7,775 offenses total for hate crimes in 2009.

The website says "Law enforcement agencies reported 1,376 hate crimes motivated by religious bias."

1,376 / 7,775 = .1769 which is 17.7%.

I was not wrong on this.

Religiously biased crimes are not 17.7 out all Violent crimes in 2009 which are about 1.3 million.

What do you think?

Editing the article

Greetings. I wanted to know what was the main complaint on my edit. You claimed that I was making new research, when I have just regurgitated the sources themselves. The only plausible objection that I see is my assertion that most violence in America is indeed secular since the FBI tables show that very few people commit crimes based on religious beliefs.

Please help me make my post better.

Hi, thank you for asking. You need to find a reliable source that says such. The FBI tables show that over 17% are religiously motivated. That's contrary to what you wrote. You can start working on some additions in your userspace, and I will see if I can help you - but you should read up on things like WP:SYNTH and WP:OR to see what things you cannot add to articles. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI | /_CN 00:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, please remember to put your responses after mine, and I'll put mine after yours, etc. OK, here's the problem. Your original research/synthesis is in thinking that the hate crime numbers have anything to do with other crimes. There are many crimes that are not deemed (by the law) hate crimes that may be caused by similar reasons. So, the stats simply can't be cross-applied to come up with the original research you did. You'd have to know, of all crimes, what the stats were for religiously motivated ones - which I do not see. You cannot extrapolate. We can only allow an expert that we can cite do that. Best ROBERTMFROMLI | /_CN 01:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok I see your point. I will exclude this part.

How about the rest of the stuff I put in? These rest was sociological data on the religious beliefs of atheists from the first world wide study on atheists from all over the world.

Can I add this? Or do you see a problem.

August 2011

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Atheism, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. ROBERTMFROMLI | /_CN 23:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I've been watching the editing at Atheism, and I'd like to suggest that you discuss your reasoning for your edits at Talk:Atheism. I realize that you are a new editor, and I want to make sure that you don't get into an edit war. Thanks, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Please take Tryptofish's advice to heart and come to the talk page to discuss. Trypto and I can be pretty patient... not everyone is for things like this. Your synthesis of the cites you use is in direct contradiction to what they actually say. That's not how we do things, as it introduces original research which is prohibited here. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI | /_CN 23:48, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Atheism. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. ROBERTMFROMLI | /_CN 23:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)