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Demographics
Changing from opinion to actual statement based on the reference. Aligning to the demographics data as presented by the reference no 85.
Bangalore was NOT the first electri-City - neither in Asia, nor in India!
I changed the statement that Bangalore was the first city in India with electricity - being "one of the firsts" must do it ... ;-)
It is a very common "wrong fact" found even sometimes published in the press, that Bangalore was the first city in Asia or at least India which got electricity - same "wrong fact" as the idea that Shivanasamudra would have been first hydel station in Asia or at least India.
I cannot understand why this wrong fact is spreading so much, so easily, and usually unanswered. As for example mentioned in Firsts_in_india#Science the first Indian City which got electricity (or even, if You want, hydel power) was Darjeeling in 1897 (power came from Sidrapong Hydel Power Station), followed by Calcutta in 1898 and then Kolar Gold Fields in 1902. (And just btw: The cited newspaper article itself tells that Bangalore got the power years after KGF ... no idea why they can still tell Bangalore was first city in India, maybe they don't take KGF as a city or so - but it is simply wrong. But I kept the article as reference for the year 1906.)
Mumbai, just to give further examples from India, got electrical power from a thermal power station of BEST in 1905, and Delhi got electricity in the same year from a private company (M/s John Fleming, according to the history records of the DVB).
Means, there is not only one but there are several cities in India which have got electricity already before 1906, even from hydel power - it is simply impossible for Bangalore to be first in that matter.
India was in general kind of late concerning electricity, even with Darjeeling - e.g. Hongkong got electricity in 1890, Tokyo already in 1887 - maybe someone knows even an earlier Asian electi-city and can tell it to us, here ... ;-) Bangalorius (talk) 19:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC) Excellent, mining of Gold was more important than Bangalore getting power, remember Silver peak Nevada power transfer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dineshpkm (talk • contribs) 19:21, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Considering that the Shivanasamudra station was built with the main intention to supply power to KGF, it would have been weird if Bangalore got power before KGF did. Besides, I don't think Bangalore was as important as it is today; Mysore was where the administrative center was, and if anyone should have got electricity first, it should have been the king of Mysore! It's a myth that Bangaloreans often circulate. Thanks for bringing this up. MikeLynch (talk) 19:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know about the "first city" claim, but Bangalore got *surplus* electricity that was meant for KGF, and the surplus electricity was used to power street lights and available for domestic use. While electricity for KGF was for its mines. And this was in 1902 if I am not mistaken, not 1906 (let me look for a reference) -- Fgpilot (talk) 14:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
The Demographics of Bangalore and Migratory Pattern
There are many myths about the migration and existence of various linguistic populations in Bangalore. Many newspaper articles and even books have ignored good document sources. Below are more reliable sources.
The Mysore Gazetteer By B L Rice lists the census data of Bangalore in 1881 . Here is an extract:
The classes which number over 10,000 are the following, in order of strength. These account for 716,289, or 89.35 percent of the population: Wokkaliga (225,511), Holeya (81,369), Musalmans (69,227), Madiga (46,128), Kuruba (41407), Lingayita (32894), Brahmana (29,882), Tigala (29,192), Banajiga (28,437), Native Christians (15,656), Beda (15,339), Panchala (14,046), Agasa (11,447), Marata (10,616). Besides the above the following are important trading classes :Nagarta (5,289), Komati (4,766),and Mudali (1,625)
From the book we can get a description of the linguistic populations of these classes as follows: Tamil speakers were the Mudali (1625) and Tigala (29,882) (Tiglas had both Tamil and Kannada populations). The Marati speakers were 10616. The Hindustani speakers were 69227. The remaining classes had Kannada and Telugu populations.
Tellasitis (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Linguistic populations in Mysore State (southern Karnataka) from the Imperial Gazetteer of India Volume 18 page 23 (Oxford University press):
The distinctive language of Mysore is Kannada, the Karnata or Karnataka of the pandits, and the Kanarese of European writers. It is the speech of 73 per cent, of the population, and prevails everywhere except in the east. Telugu, confined to Kolar District and some of the eastern taluks, is the language of 15 per cent. Tamil (called here Arava) is the speech of 4 per cent., and predominates at the Kolar Gold Fields and among the servants of Europeans, camp-followers, and cantonment traders. A more or less corrupt Tamil is spoken by certain long-domiciled classes of Brahmans (SrTvaishnava, Sanketi, and Brihachcharana), and by Tigala cultivators, but its use is only colloquial. Marathl, which is spoken by 1*4 per cent, of the population, is the language of Deshasth Brahmans and Darzis or tailors, the former being most numerous in Shimoga District. Hindustani, the language of Musalmans, who form 5-22 per cent, of the population, is spoken by only 4-8 per cent., the difference being due to the Labbais and other Musalmans from the south who speak Tamil. In each of these vernaculars there has been since 1891 an increase of about 11 per cent., except in Tamil, which has increased 42 per cent., owing to the influx of labour at the gold-mines and partly on the railways. The Hindus have been arranged under 72 castes or classes. of these, the strongest numerically are Wokkaligas (1,287,000), Lingayats (671,000), and Holeyas (596,000), who between them make up 46 per cent, of the total population. The ^Vokkaligas include numerous tribes, some of Kanarese and some of Telugu origin, .... The Gangadikara, who form nearly one-half of the class, are purely Kanarese, found chiefly in the central and southern tracts.....Next in numbers are the Morasu Vokkaligas, chiefly in Kolar and Bangalore Districts.... The Reddi are found chiefly in the east and north, and seem to be of Telugu origin, and have been supposed to represent the subjects of the ancient Rattavadi, or kingdom of the Rattas. The Nonabas, in like manner, are relics of the ancient Nolambavadi or Nonambavadi, a Pallava province, situated in Chitaldroog District.
Tellasitis (talk) 13:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
The Mud Fort of Bangalore
The historical accounts in this article now say the original fort was a 'mud fort'. Some years ago I changed this to a rather more correct term, 'mud-brick fort' but it hasn't lasted. This seems to be because of some external references that use the term mud rather than mud brick. If so, that puts the reliability of these references into question. The fort was originally built of unfired bricks, often called mud bricks. Mud itself is of course wet plastic earth and was not the material the fort was built from. The expression 'mud fort' conjures up images of little boys building toy forts to fight battles with each other that they forget by the next day. I ought to change it again with better references but I just can't find the motivation to look them up now, given that someone will probably change it back. Imc (talk) 18:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Its not Bangalore anymore
I have replaced 'Bangalore' by 'Bengaluru'. As said in one of the articles below, "Bangalore means Bengaluru" is a wrong statement. The city name is nothing to do with its meaning. All it matters is the correct spelling. I request the admin to update caption and title as Bengaluru. Pramengr (talk) 18:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- @Pramengr Most English news sources seem to use Bangalore. If you want to change the title, you'll have to follow the instructions at WP:RM/CM. --NeilN 18:36, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- The rule on Misplaced Pages is not that the official name is always preferenced over other spellings; it's that the name most commonly recognized by English speakers is preferenced over other spellings. Unfortunately, like it or not, at the present time that's still Bangalore rather than Bengaluru. And even if the spelling is changed, note that you cannot just alter the spelling in template or category links until those have actually been moved to the new spelling; doing so just breaks them to no purpose. Bearcat (talk) 08:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Using Bengaluru
Hello All,
As name of the city is being corrected from Bangalore to Bengaluru, the wiki page needs to reflect the same. Locals have been calling the city Bengaluru for several centuries. There has been official circulation regarding this from Government of Karnataka and the Union Government & GSI have approved the same. Wanted to inform that I will be starting the corrections in a few days. Please note that name of the certain institutions will remain unchanged e.g Bangalore University.
Kindly inform if certain sections should be exempted.
Regards, Siri — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siriyaala (talk • contribs) 22:25, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, you cannot make the changes without consensus. Similar query has been asked before. Please see the discussion in the previous post. Amartyabag 06:21, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Coordinate error
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- That was a bit of uncaught vandalism, which I've reverted. Thanks for noticing. Deor (talk) 09:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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