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@Jimbo Wales: Hi Jimbo, here is what I consider to be a neutral interpretation of the recent conflict:

1. MV seems to have been implemented prematurely as a default viewer for everybody (numerous bugs, some violent protests);
2. MV is not appropriate for editing work; many editors have considered the tool as a "nuisance" ;
3. A vast majority of the editor’s community does not consider MV useful. That is demonstrated by the poll made by WMF in June;
4. A vast majority of the editor’s community considers that MV should not be implemented by default. That was demonstrated in a recent RfC, whose results are in line with the WMF poll;
5. No effective fruitful dialogue has occurred between the editor's community and the MV team immediatly before and after the RfC. The two main arguments from each side seem to be: no RfC can produce a significant consensus of the user's community, which goes well beyond the universe of regular editors (WMF); according to Misplaced Pages's culture the outcome of a RfC is to be respected. Thus no dialogue seems possible while MV is kept as the default viewer for everybody (editors)

I hope this start is useful. Please note that English is not my mother language and that my knowledge of Wikimedia's world is quite narrow. Hopefully other people will come here and say what I intended to say much better than me. :-) Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I've had extensive, effective dialogue with the editing community over the past nine months while Media Viewer has been under development through on-wiki interaction across dozens of projects, by email, face-to-face discussions, video roundtables, IRC office hours and discussions, etc., in the shaping, development, and carefully documented release process for Media Viewer. Fabrice and the developers of Media Viewer have participated extensively in these conversations as well. I've even had productive conversations with you, Alvesgaspar, and conversations with the editing communities about Media Viewer continue even during this period. I'm not 100% certain this is a neutral point of view, though I do know you honestly intend it that way. I think it's fair to say I don't have a neutral point on the topic either, which is why this will be my only participation in the discussion :) Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:16, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

You (multimedia team and WMF engineering) ignored the vast majority of editors and the majority of everyone else who have asked that Media Viewer be disabled by default. The only dialog the WMF is willing to have on Media Viewer is about how it can be improved, discounting any feedback that it isn't ready for release (and thus should be rolled back) or feedback that perhaps the concept itself is flawed. So from my perspective, there has been no productive dialog here. You've (the multimedia team and WMF engineering) decided, a priori, that Media Viewer needs to be rolled out and you are unwilling to reconsider this decision, overwhelming negative feedback be damned. Instead of imposing your "multimedia vision" from above, perhaps you could actually have some dialog about what users of Misplaced Pages want instead of pretending that the silent majority likes your ugly baby? --98.207.91.246 (talk) 02:52, 26 July 2014 (UTC)