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Sources

Sources are requested for the following so that the Disputed flag can be removed:

Church structure—essentially the roles within its organisation.
Church beliefs and practices.

Each doctrine is written in a book that is published by the INC but is not available to all members of the church. Is there a publicly available source? —Theo (Talk) 17:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge. They might be covered in a Pasugo article though, I'm not sure.--Onlytofind 01:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
I think that book we're talking about is the one which is written by Manalo, which is now referenced on the main page. --LBMixPro 22:57, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Is Manalo, Erano G. Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ) (Manila: Iglesia ni Cristo, 1989) the same as Introducing the Iglesia ni Cristo Booklet, 1989, pp.1-16? Both are listed as references.

Not that I know of, the FBINC book by Manalo is a full sized 200 or so page book. --LBMixPro 01:10, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know how I can get hold of copies of either/both? I cannot find them in the UK. —Theo (Talk) 09:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
As I mentioned earlier to the thread, the book is only available to high members of the church. The booklet could probably be found lying around an INC member's house. --LBMixPro 03:21, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
The book is only given to ministers and ministerial studentsGuava wrench 05:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Missionary activities
The four internal organizations.
The Hierarchy

GA passed

Issues to work on for the progression :

  • The article needs more information on the belief of the church.
  • The article needs to distinguish between the religion mentioned and the others.
  • It also needs to clearly define why it is not a cult and a religion.
  • It needs more citations (at least for the citation needed tag).
  • It is in need of more criticism outside of the Philippines.
  • Are there people in this religion outside of the Philippines? other that what is mentioned in Missionary activities.
  • In the Criticism section it talks about the Pope ... if the pope is part of the hierarchy of the church it should be mentioned. If not, why such a claim is made in the criticisms section. Does the pope endorse such a religion?
  • If this sentence Macapagal-Arroyo's father, Diosdado Macapagal, due to his religious and political views, refused INC's preferred. is really necessary it should be expanded into a paragraph or added to some other, if not ... it should be deleted. Lincher 18:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Iglesia ni Cristo removed from Misplaced Pages:Good articles

Iglesia ni Cristo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because edit war and article not broad in coverage

  • There actually is no edit war, reasonable users from both a supportive and critical viewpoint of INC agree this article presents all sides fairly and have worked together to make it a good article, something which I am very proud of. Unfortunately, a banned editor has come back using anonymous proxies, in disregard for the rules of Misplaced Pages and in disregard for the work put up by many of us in the past. I humbly request support for semi-protection once again. --Ironbrew 00:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I disagree on the reasons for delisting this as a good article. Although the article is not fully covered, GA doesn't require it to be so. The edit wars are from an editor who is banned from editing the article per ArbCom decision. Aside from beliefs, the article suitably covers critisism and origin nicely. I will fork this conversation into an official request to review the delisting in hopes for it to be relisted. --LBMixPro 08:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

INC statistics site

The Adherent Statistics and Religious Geography Citation archive has a wealth of information about INC's population. Anybody care to take a look and see what we can use from it? --LBMixPro 18:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The state of this article.

Emico's return under User:IndependentMind and his classic anonymous proxy edits must be deleted. The unsourced criticism about the Bereans and other INC critics cannot stay as it is basically POV. The only things we can post in response are any official responses from the INC themselves. I will continue to revert any "contributions" made by Emico to this, or any other Iglesia ni Cristo related article until his ban is ended by ArbCom. --Ironbrew 21:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I've read further into Bauder's statement about enforcing bans, and he said that any block imposed on Emico's accounts that's reported at the arbcom's page will cause the timer on his ban to be reset. The creation of IndependentMind just caused him to be banned from INC articles until July 20, 2007. He needs to work positively with us if he ever wants to edit these articles again, and I hope he does. But if he feels he needs to disrupt Misplaced Pages to get his way, he'll only be treated as a vandal. --LBMixPro 22:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

INC as a landmark?

Here's the page Emico was probably trying to refer to: . Unfortunately, all the reviews are biased in either direction, with members fawning over the church and critics not liking it. This is definitely not an encyclopedic reference. All that I could say from my personal experiences is that INC chapels are found in most areas of the Philippines, and are somewhat notable in that fashion, but I would not call them tourist landmarks. Perhaps Central, but not every chapel. It's just like the Mormons in Utah, many people LDS and non-LDS visit their head tabernacle, but I don't think anyone would call regular Mormon chapels tourist landmarks.--Ironbrew 21:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I can assure you that a locale which is across the street from a sewage processing plant is not a landmark. I think he meant the central temple, as it is the most photographed. Speaking of Central, can we expand that section? --LBMixPro 22:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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