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Deletion review for Hummingbird Heartbeat

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Akira Hiramoto deletion closure request

Objectivity disclaimer: I am an active administrator of the Prison School unofficial wikia and an active editor at the Wikia domain, I have linked to my Wikia identity under the handle Speedit.

I would like this page to be delisted from the deletion process and its deletion discussion be closed as the subject in question is a notable manga artist. The article was a WP:COPYRIGHT violation (the initial reason for nomination) but this has been cleared up and I approve of the current article in its stub form (which will hopefully be expanded with original information in time).

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I nominated this previously fully plaigarised article for deletion, but this was a mistake as it was a WP:COPYRIGHT violation and WP:COPYPASTE. So I removed the AfD tag and added a WP:COPYVIO tag. Another user cleared up the violation conclusively in this time, allowing the article to continue as a stub without deletion.

I appreciate that this was a mistake owing to not being familiar with the correct process for the removal of plaigarised content. As the initiator of this deletion process, I hopefully should be able to request that the article has a right to exist so long as it is not a copyright violation. Which the original article was because of CC-BY-SA requiring that the article be defined as a full mirror/copy with a defined source.

Akira Hiramoto in himself is the author of a long-running gag manga and he's been serialised with the likes of CLAMP for decades - Prison School's Volume 17 (ANN source) & Volume 18 (ANN source) became a top 10 manga in volume sales in Japan owing to the anime adaptation. Notability under WP:BIO is sufficiently met in my opinion, albeit being a less famous than other mangaka due to the seinen and niche nature of his works.  Zkrjebril92 talk  20:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your note. The best thing I can suggest at this point would be to make your argument on the AfD page. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Thanks you for your reply. I didn't really think Akira Hiramoto was beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages when I saw the article, I was just annoyed at seeing someone brazenly copy an article I wrote verbatim and pass it off as theirs. I'll be summarizing my points supporting the existence of the article in its current form as per your advice.  Zkrjebril92 talk  23:13, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Microsoft Spyware AFD

Hi,

I saw that you closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Microsoft Spyware (2nd nomination) as delete and deleted both Microsoft Spyware and Talk:Microsoft Spyware. However, I specifically requested in the nomination that the talk page Talk:Microsoft Spyware be kept. Could you please restore that page? (I can take care of moving the talk page and the expansion page to draft space or userspace.)

Thanks, RJaguar3 | u | t 08:21, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I've restored and moved it to User:RJaguar3/Microsoft Spyware. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! RJaguar3 | u | t 19:03, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Seeking explanation of Deletion Review

Sir, I noted today that the Deletion Review of Manas Madrecha has been closed by you as an admin, but I did not find any closing note, with no explanation, but mere tag of G11, which had evidently been contested in the discussion. Could you be kind to present one?AlwaysHappy (talk) 21:49, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. I have updated my close to provide additional explanation. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your recent work on deletion review and in particular your excellent, neutral assessment of "List of cases of police brutality in the United States." Keep up the good work! —Мандичка 😜 23:40, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that! -- RoySmith (talk) 00:14, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Emma Tillman

Hi, I really think that if you close a hotly contested debate like this, a more extensive rationale is needed than just the standard "The result is...". Closing this "keep" is not as self-evident as you seem to think. If I hadn't participated myself in this debate, I would have closed it "no consensus" at best and more likely "delete", given the powerful NOPAGE argument that was not countered by any of the keep !votes. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 14:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Upon reflection, I'm not convinced I closed it correctly, so I've backed out my close and relisted it. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:36, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

• That was much more than I asked for! Appreciate it, thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Editnotices/Page/Draft:Ibrahima Dramé

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A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your work in relisting AfD discussions, which helps to keep matters in order. North America 07:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, but I'd prefer a cup of tea. Earl grey is nice. Lemon, no milk, please. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:16, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Non-Muslim view of Ali deletion

Hi. May I ask about your rationale for closing the deletion debate for this article, given it had just been relisted for lack of consensus (mostly 'keep' votes), and the only new vote after the relisting was a 'delete' vote? Thanks. LjL (talk) 17:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Ooops, my bad. I didn't notice the recent relist. I've backed out my close. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. LjL (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Gateway Center (Brooklyn)

Hi, I was about to start an article for the Gateway Center in Brooklyn, and came across its deletion discussion. I'm curious as to why it was deleted, and if it can be resurrected if notability is established. I already have a draft in my sandbox. Tdorante10 (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

There's no prohibition against you recreating the article, as long as the new version addresses the issues raised in the AfD. @Me5000: @Rms125a@hotmail.com: @Bearian: @VMS Mosaic: @Onel5969: @Kraxler: the participants in the original AfD may have opionions on whether your current draft does that. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tdorante10 (and thanks for the ping RoySmith) - As RoySmith said, there's no prohibition against re-creating the article, as long as notability can be established. That said, once an article has been through AfD and been deleted, there is more attention paid to the sourcing. In other words, if an article is borderline in terms of notability, the fact that it was deleted would usually count against it. I just glanced at your sandbox, it it has quite a few references, but I won't have the time to check them out for a few days. If in doubt, you could submit it through the AfC process. Onel5969 15:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the good work and for the ping. The new article appears to meet the Heymann Standard. Bearian (talk) 16:47, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

AfD for Dream House, etc.

Roy, per ADMINACCT, can you please provide an explanation for denying a consensus "keep" close in the above-referenced AfD? There was a 6–3 majority in favor of keeping it, and linked evidence of significant coverage of the subject was provided in the discussion. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, actually I count 4 on the delete side, but it's really not about head counts. I saw some reasonable arguments on both sides. I also saw some bad arguments on both sides. But, fundamentally, I didn't see any real meeting of mind here. And, I really don't lose any sleep worrying about the difference between a consensus to keep and NC. The article gets kept either way. -- RoySmith (talk) 04:03, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your reasoning. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:01, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Closing of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ramona Trinidad Iglesias-Jordan

Hi RoySmith. I was wondering if you could elaborate on your rationale a little for your closing of this AfD as keep, given the large number of SPAs (6 of the 10 keep !votes, including one user that has been subsequently blocked as the sockpuppet of a topic-banned editor) and the contentious history of meatpuppetry and off-wiki canvassing for longevity-related articles. While I obviously see no consensus to delete, I do think that the AfD would have benefited from being relisted to gain broader community input, or at least being closed as "no consensus". Thanks. Canadian Paul 18:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

The only distinction that really matters is delete vs. not delete. I suppose this could have been closed as NC, but I just don't see that it's worth arguing the distinction between NC and Keep. Either way, the article is kept. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I do not understand what you mean. Delete vs. non-delete is the least important distinction; the actual number of votes only matters when there are many strong arguments for both sides. Much more important is the strength of the arguments and their relation to policy, which none of the SPAs really engage. Thus I feel that keeping the discussion open to get more outside input would have been valuable; otherwise the type of meatpuppetry and off-wiki canvassing that characterizes the problems surrounding these articles is encouraged. Would you consider reverting your close and relisting the article so that the ultimate result can be more representative of community consensus? Canadian Paul 16:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I think you misunderstood my comment (which is to say, I phrased it poorly). When I said, The only distinction that really matters is delete vs. not delete, I didn't mean people's !votes, I meant the final outcome. In other words, I'll put a lot of effort into deciding if I'm going to close something as delete vs. anything else. But, when it comes down to deciding if I should close something as keep vs. NC, I don't see that as such a critical decision, and thus put less effort into that. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I have updated the close to NC. Thank you for your enquiry. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Similar question

Could you please give us some insight on the rationale you are basing your decisions on? I am referring to this. "The result was delete" is not sufficient. At least state the reason for deletion you personally found convincing. Did you judge WP:NOTE based on WP:NBOOK? Or perhaps based on WP:ORG? Or neither? Or both? To what result? --dab (𒁳) 08:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your note. I've updated the AfD page with a more detailed close. In general, when I close an AfD, I'm looking much more to distill the arguments of the editors who participated in the discussion than to make any evaluations of my own. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2015 August 24#Alex Gilbert

Hi RoySmith. You closed Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2015 August 24#Alex Gilbert as "deletion endorsed". There was a subsequent DRV at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2015 October 29#Draft:Alex Gilbert that was closed as "No consensus to allow recreation. Please don't renominate unless something significant changes."

Would you take a look at this request and list of sources by DmitryPopovRU at User talk:Cunard#Alex Gilbert and give DmitryPopovRU your advice? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)