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Danae
There was a typo in the article, which is now featured on the main page. Sulphurous acid, not sulphuric.
- This has already been fixed. (Not by me.) Next time, please report errors on MainPage to WP:ERRORS. Thanks. -- PFHLai 23:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
The Article of the Day should be changed at midnight
Why is the Article of the Day changed at around 4:00PM? Shouldn't it be changed at midnight? I sometimes click out of the internet for a while at around 3:00PM, and at 4:00PM, it is changed.
- Hi!! The article is changed at midnight according to UTC time, which is the official Misplaced Pages time. Sfrrrose (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Phh... see the section on "Blatant UK bias" above; why don't they just make HRH the Queen our ceremonial figurehead?! Actually, I initially assumed Jimbo was English because of that. Of course, how many people out of the American South are named "Jimbo"? --Bobak 22:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- This is the "Englsih encyclopeadia" i dont see it anywhere saying the "American.." hehe. Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 08:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- I thought Jimbo came from Wales, so we use Wales time in Misplaced Pages. No ? (Hahaha.) -- PFHLai 23:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Phh... see the section on "Blatant UK bias" above; why don't they just make HRH the Queen our ceremonial figurehead?! Actually, I initially assumed Jimbo was English because of that. Of course, how many people out of the American South are named "Jimbo"? --Bobak 22:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Don't be silly. If we were on Cardiff Mean Time we would be using UTC - 12mins 44secs, not UTC. :-P -- AJR | Talk 02:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
actually UTC time is not UP time because we add an hour onto our time during the summer, so the featured article changes at 1pm uk time during the summer. i dont really want BUSH as our head of wikipedia.--Greg.loutsenko 12:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- That would be the joke going WAY over your head. —Cuiviénen 14:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- or 1am. violet/riga (t) 15:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, but the discussion page isn't a chatroom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.121.73.22 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC).
- What the heck is UTC time? I read Misplaced Pages's article on it, but it doesn't make sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.121.73.22 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC).
- You might know UTC better by its former name, Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), (which was renamed in the 70s). Raul654 23:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think that this subject needs to be discussed here. Obviously the coding of the Misplaced Pages system would have to be changed on the whims of a Wikipedian wanting new articles at his midnight time. Just live with the current timing. Also (as an american) I think the UK bias is not that previlent, and that UTC time is a standard used for many websites and organizations. Besides let the brits have there time zones, we americans will be policing the world with our wealth and power... hahaha --superman 21:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but it was 2:00PM here and they changed it. It wasn't midnight! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.121.73.22 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC).
Languages section
I don't think it's been discussed here but obviously the languages on the bottom of the main page have been trimmed recently. The English names for the languages were also unfortunately trimmed. Having the English names next to each language wasn't too pretty but it was very functional. I'd like to see them return. Ziggur 07:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- You "don't thinked" wrong. ;) It's been discussed recently at length including here, here and here and possibly one more place that I can't find. The resu,ting consensus (which was a bit contested) was to remove the translations as they are redundant for people who speak/read a particular language anyway, if someone wants to see the complete list they can go here. The reason for the reformation was to make it look less like a jumble of text. There were those against the change entirely and those who wanted the list removed completely, either with a link to the wp.org homepage only or with the list moved to the sidebar as per some other language versions. --Monotonehell 07:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- That was a dreadful misjudgement. This is the English language Misplaced Pages. There is a great arrogance and snobbery in not talking to people in their own language: "If you are too ignorant to understand, you don't matter anyway". As the list is now intimidating and largely useless to most English speakers it would be better to remove it altogether unless it is restored. Merchbow 20:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Unneeded Romaji Redirects
68.72.116.165 has made some redirects to articles in Romaji form. I doubt someone would search "Burajiru" or whatever it was to get to Brazil articles. --FlareNUKE 08:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not really to do with the main page, I don't see the harm in these redirects if they help people who can't remember the "english name" of something. WP is not paper and these redirects don't cost much. No harm? Any other opinions? --Monotonehell 09:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- I thought they were harmless as well. Titoxd 09:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not really to do with the main page, I don't see the harm in these redirects if they help people who can't remember the "english name" of something. WP is not paper and these redirects don't cost much. No harm? Any other opinions? --Monotonehell 09:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
100,000 article sites
While I do agree with the 25k and 50k article sites, could there still be the 100k list still including the 25k and 50k lists? Pronoun 14:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- There isn't much reason for one; most of the Wikipedias with more than 50k articles also have more than 100k (only Russian, Finnish, Swedish and Chinese do not, and all are rapidly approaching 100k). —Cuiviénen 19:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
On this Day entry for Berlin wall construction
Just a suggestion that maybe the boldfaced words in the blub shouldn't be West Berlin but rather Berlin Wall, as it's the anniversary of the Berlin Wall construction after all! --Canuckguy 00:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. And if West Berlin is gonna be bolded, oughtn't East Berlin be bolded as well? -Elmer Clark 01:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- Done. Evil Monkey - Hello 02:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- On MainPage, the boldfaced links indicate featured wikicontent. On TFA, the link to the FA is bolded. On ITN, the link to the wikiarticle updated with the news materials is bolded. On DYK, the link to the new article is bolded. For Selected Anniversaries, the bolded link must refer to an article with the date in the text (one of several rules in editing this section on MainPage). Berlin Wall, West Berlin & East Berlin fit the bill here. However, the Berlin Wall page is slated to be featured on the anniversary of the destruction of the wall. To avoid double-featuring the same article within the same year (another rule), "West Berlin" was bolded on today's template on the anniversary of the construction. "East Berlin" could have been bolded, too, but one is enough for each line. Perhaps we can alternate each year till one of them becomes a markedly better article. This year, there are only 4 events on the template (a mistake on my part), so I've bent the rules and bolded both East & West Berlin. -- PFHLai 21:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Eight-Nation Alliance on Aug 14
Can we add the Eight-Nation Alliance occupation of Beijing in 1900 for "On this Day" of Aug 14? I guess I don't have the authority to do it. Thanks. Pseudotriton 04:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I am not still not sure yet if that article passes #7 of Misplaced Pages:Selected anniversaries#Criteria for listing items on this set of pages: "preferably it should be a relatively complete and well-formatted article". I would still like more references cited before putting it on the main page. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- The main article for the topic is Boxer Rebellion, which is pretty solid (though not FA ready). --Dhartung | Talk 07:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion. This is not on MainPage because I couldn't confirm the date. In the first paragraph, the Boxer Rebellion article says "The brutal uprising crumbled on August 4, 1900 when 20,000 foreign troops entered the Chinese capital, Peking (Beijing)". Scroll down a bit, it says "The International force reached and occupied Beijing on August 14." I question both dates. The equivalent article in Chinese Misplaced Pages has August 14th as the date the Eight-Nation Alliance (minus the Germans) reaching the outskirts of Peking, taking the city gates on the 15th, and occupying most of the city on the 16th. So, was it August 4th, August 14th or August 16th ? We need references. A "safer" anniversary to feature the whole Boxer Rebellion would be the anniversary of the signing of the Boxer Protocol. (The date is on the document, available in Chinese Wikisource.) -- PFHLai 12:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Zhejiang Death Toll
The death toll has risen to 114 in Zhejiang, according to CTV Newsnet. JodoYodo 05:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reminder. Actually, the article on the typhoon says 214 (+2 more in the Philippines). I've changed the text on MainPage to "more than 200". Hopefully, we don't need to update the number anymore. BTW, please use Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Errors next time you propose similar minor tweaks of MainPage contents. You may get a quicker response there. --PFHLai 12:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
AIDS Conference
I think that the XVI International AIDS Conference, 2006 that started last night in Toronto, Canada, warrents inclusion in the "In The News" section. It's the largest conference on HIV/AIDS ever and this is an event that affects the whole world. Jeff 11:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion. Please make use of Misplaced Pages:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates if you really think this is major international news that should be on ITN. (I ain't so sure, unless they announce a new treatment and we have a wikiarticle on it.) -- PFHLai 12:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
To Pluto or not to be, that is the planet
The planet Pluto should be featured on the wikipedia or wikinews front page, because this may be the last time you can do so. Right now there is an astronomical congress in Prague going on, with 3.000 top nerds, who get to decide whether or not Pluto should be demoted to a space pebble and cease to belong to full-glory planets.
See the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4789531.stm
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.70.32.136 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC).
- Thanks for the suggestion. When such a decision has been made, please update relevent wikiarticles and then propose a headline for In The News at Misplaced Pages:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. Don't forget to update Current events. Thanks. -- PFHLai 12:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I feel like crying :( Ok, enough of the chatroomesque talk page...)--Howard the Duck 13:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Somehow, I get the feeling that even after Pluto is properly classified as a Kuiper belt object, we'll be able to put the article on the front page. --Dhartung | Talk 16:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I know it's not the right place to propose such a thing, but wouldn't it make sense to have Definition of planet as Today's Featured Article soon? It's already Featured. I think someone should go and request it if they agree. Jellypuzzle | 17:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- You may want to contact the Featured Article Director for this. -- PFHLai 19:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Prrrrffffff. They think they can tell me what to call things now? Sod that!! It screws up the mnemonics, millions of textbooks will have to be changed for the sake of one pathetic little pedantic moan. To me Pluto will always, until the end of my days, be a *planet*. Thankyou, and tune in next week for another rant on the anally-retentive and methods of bowel-washing. Lady BlahDeBlah 19:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
VJ Day Not On "On this Day..."
Why in the world is VJ Day not mentioned on the main page in any way? It's quite significant for August 14th. What's the deal? AJFederation 20:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hang in there. Victory over Japan Day will be on MainPage tomorrow, i.e. in about 3 hours. --PFHLai 20:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- In case any one is confused, V-J Day from the point of view of North America is the 14th, but from the point of view of people in the Pacific was the 15th. Dragons flight 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- The International Date Line has a well-known POV bias. --Dhartung | Talk 04:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- In case any one is confused, V-J Day from the point of view of North America is the 14th, but from the point of view of people in the Pacific was the 15th. Dragons flight 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Metawiki
I tried to click the metawiki icon but my IE browser couldn't open it: it suggested a download of an "unknown" filetype. Maybe an admin oughta have a look n fix it.--Steven Fruitsmaak | Talk 21:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the problem was. I clicked on the icon and meta's MainPage showed up on screen as expected. Perhaps someone has fixed it already. -- PFHLai 21:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Rampant Australian Bias
An article on a South Australian bus system followed by one on Queensland's biggest pest as articles of the day? Clearly examples of Misplaced Pages's pro-Australian bias. Lisiate 03:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's just because we're more literate than other countries (including New Zealand) and so end up writing better articles. ;) - Mark 03:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Crazy Australians, with their July winters and backwards flowing toilets... Raul654 03:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's nothing. In Rand McNally, they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people! —David Levy 03:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- There's an old British folk song called The World Turned Upside Down ("If buttercups buzz'd after the bee // If boats were on land, churches on sea // If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows // And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse"). According to legend, the British troops at the Siege of Yorktown (the final battle of the American revolution) played it as they surrenered. Raul654 04:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hey Raul, if you were better read you'd realise that the Coriolis effect only works on the scale of weather systems and the direction that water flows in sinks and toilets is purely to do with the shape of the vessel. I was going to complain yesterday about the bias displayed regarding busways that go past my house... ;) --Monotonehell 04:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not necessarily - "If one takes great care to create a flat circular pool of water with a small, smooth drain; to wait for eddies caused by filling it to die down; and to remove the drain from below (or otherwise remove it without introducing new eddies into the water) – then it is possible to observe the influence of the Coriolis effect in the direction of the resulting vortex." - Coriolis effect Raul654 04:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Narf! Touche' - Besides 'our' proper Australian Cyclones move clockwise whilst anti-cyclones move anticlockwise. You Northern Hemispherians should stop it with the anti-anti-bias and adopt proper and civilised Southern Hemispherian weather systems. --Monotonehell 04:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not necessarily - "If one takes great care to create a flat circular pool of water with a small, smooth drain; to wait for eddies caused by filling it to die down; and to remove the drain from below (or otherwise remove it without introducing new eddies into the water) – then it is possible to observe the influence of the Coriolis effect in the direction of the resulting vortex." - Coriolis effect Raul654 04:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's nothing. In Rand McNally, they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people! —David Levy 03:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Crazy Australians, with their July winters and backwards flowing toilets... Raul654 03:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please report any bias errors to Talk:Main Page/Bias--Clawed 03:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Let's not forget Cynna Kydd coming up in one week. It's obvious our FA director's brain has been inflatrated by the evil Aussies and their mind-control ways. -- SmthManly / / 04:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Put your hypnotic skull koala back on and conform! --Monotonehell 04:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- NEVER!!! That thing made me eat way too much Vegemite. -- SmthManly / / 04:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- To be fair - I scheduled Cynna Kydd due to Ambi's superliminal powers of persuasion. Raul654 04:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- That made me wanna join the Navy. -- SmthManly / / 05:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- OK, not one comment has been related to the initial question, excluding Clawed - this is probably BJAODN-worthy now :P.
- That made me wanna join the Navy. -- SmthManly / / 05:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- To be fair - I scheduled Cynna Kydd due to Ambi's superliminal powers of persuasion. Raul654 04:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- NEVER!!! That thing made me eat way too much Vegemite. -- SmthManly / / 04:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Put your hypnotic skull koala back on and conform! --Monotonehell 04:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Let's not forget Cynna Kydd coming up in one week. It's obvious our FA director's brain has been inflatrated by the evil Aussies and their mind-control ways. -- SmthManly / / 04:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Anyways, I count 6 articles (August 4, August 9, August 16, August 18, August 19, August 20) which are directly related to America (or, at least, as related to the US as cane toads is to Australia), as opposed to Australia's three (August 14, August 15, August 22) that will be featured on the front page up until August 25th. Daniel.Bryant 08:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Just part of the Australia Cabal's evil plot. -- SmthManly / / 20:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Considering the U.S. has fourteen times as many people in it as Australia, and that we have a longer recorded history, having three TFAs this month to our six ain't too bad for you guys. Andrew Levine 19:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Anyways, I count 6 articles (August 4, August 9, August 16, August 18, August 19, August 20) which are directly related to America (or, at least, as related to the US as cane toads is to Australia), as opposed to Australia's three (August 14, August 15, August 22) that will be featured on the front page up until August 25th. Daniel.Bryant 08:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
How can this page be vandalised
I saw a I.P. edit the main page.How can this page be edited by non-users when it's fully protected? --Scott3 03:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- As a joke, Drini unprotected it on APril 1 2006 (it was reprotected 15 minutes later). Guanaco did the same thing later in the day, and it was reprotected 4 minutes later. Raul654 03:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- It wasn't always protected, either. Back in 2001 there wasn't frequent vandalism so it wasn't protected. - Mark 03:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree to this too... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.22.12.250 (talk • contribs) 10:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC).
Time of main article change
Could the main article also be changed just at midnight EST? Just want to know. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by K09 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC).
- Misplaced Pages goes by Coordinated Universal Time, not EST. Please see above #The Article of the Day should be changed at midnight. --PFHLai 20:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Why is the eastern United States more important than the western United States, let alone the rest of the world? — ceejayoz 02:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- It's server time? (Which isn't a good reason to change, of course; but merely an explanation of why EST might be regarded differently from another arbitrary timezone.) Kirill Lokshin 15:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Personal research; unverfied data
I hope I am placing this comment in an appropriate location. In a section on the Semitone (music), I removed a reference to the Reimann Hypothesis because it is still neither proven nor disproven.(This seems to be in agreement with the basic Misplaced Pages principles.)
Have you considered a new section, in which the following two areas might be presented: 1) Conclusions and applications which result from yet-unproven theories (such as "super-string theory"). 2) A place for the results of independent research.
I believe that this could greatly enhance Misplaced Pages, making it not only the best source of reference for already-known information, but a source of fresh ideas and theories, by which human knowledge could expand in exponential proportions. Discussion pages could make this most viable, since any erroneous contributions would be weighed and challenged, and if unreasonable, quickly defeated.
For example, if Einstein were to present E = to Misplaced Pages, it would probably be removed because it is both the result of original research, and lacking in verifiable references. In effect, Misplaced Pages would be masking viable thought and theory.
to Misplaced Pages, it would probably be removed because it is both the result of original research, and lacking in verifiable references. In effect, Misplaced Pages would be masking viable thought and theory.
Perhaps an easy way to accomplish this, allowing personal research and unverified data to enter established articles, would be to use a specific font for each of these two areas. (Another method might be to used specifically coloured fonts for reference indexing, to express the nature of a reference, e.g. Blue = verifiable; Red = yet unverified; Green = result of independent research.) Of course, another approach would be to create an "Appendix" of articles based upon unverified data, and another for "Original Research".
Having personally arrived at several "original theories" in the fields of Math and Music, I think it would be wonderful to have such a highly-recognized source as Misplaced Pages in which not only to present them, but also to have them tested and challenged by others. (I am not not interested in personal recognition, or profits...simply a means of sharing the results of my research with others.)
Such a move could prove highly profitable to Misplaced Pages. If Misplaced Pages automatically gains copyright on such material, it stands to generate tremendous profits. (For example, there is a $1,000,000. prize offered for the proving or disproving of the Reimann Hypothesis, not to mention the untold revenues resulting from it's practical application.) Misplaced Pages could potentially become the "owner" of virtually all new knowledge and theory.
I trust you will give these ideas some consideration. Prof.rick 22:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Although it would certainly be great if we could demonstrate new theories, if we don't have verifiable sources the confusion and clutter in articles would be unmanageable. Unfortunately, there are a lot more crackpots and jokers in the world than genuine researchers and theorists, so it would be impractical. JodoYodo 23:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please see Misplaced Pages:No original research.
- And, to share ideas unrelated to Main Page, please go to the Village Pump. Thanks. -- PFHLai 23:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Prof.rick, I'm afraid you are perhaps deliberately misunderstanding what is meant by original research and "unproven" theory. Of course Einstein couldn't just write up his theories on Misplaced Pages, but if he published them in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, they would become eligible for coverage. As a matter of fact, he did. You also misunderstand copyright as it applies to Misplaced Pages and the GFDL. All Misplaced Pages contributors retain copyright to their work, it is simply licensed to Misplaced Pages. If you want to share your ideas with others, many have been successful using blogs. --Dhartung | Talk 23:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Just to confuse the issue, it was not always this way. Even Einstein was unused to the anonymous peer-review of American physics journals.Physics Today 58 no. 9, p.43 . In fact, Einstein was used to a system where you publish first, then wait for replies. --Ancheta Wis 04:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- That was a fascinating link. Thanks for that. Carcharoth 09:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Just to confuse the issue, it was not always this way. Even Einstein was unused to the anonymous peer-review of American physics journals.Physics Today 58 no. 9, p.43 . In fact, Einstein was used to a system where you publish first, then wait for replies. --Ancheta Wis 04:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
On this day...
Why doesn't the OTD section have a link to Misplaced Pages:Selected anniversaries? It took me a while to find it. Piet 14:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- You may want to ask the creator of Template:SelAnnivFooter. -- PFHLai 16:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- The link in OTD sends you to List of historical anniversaries which is a content space article, there's a link at the top of this talk page that sends you to Misplaced Pages:Selected anniversaries since this is a 'housekeeping side' article. Same with all the other sections on the main page - they have their housekeeping links on this talk page. --Monotonehell 17:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Russian Misplaced Pages (www.wikipedia.org)
As of today, the Russian version of Misplaced Pages has 100,000+ articles. That should be observed at the main Misplaced Pages portal. Camptown 17:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- We don't have a 100,000+ section on our MainPage. www.wikipedia.org is not part of English Misplaced Pages. You may want to bring this up with 'Meta-Wiki'. --PFHLai 17:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Discussion for this is at m:talk:www.wikipedia.org template. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-08-16 19:18
It also may be worth mentioning that the language editions around the logo on www.wikipedia.org are the top eight in number of articles, not a list of Wikipedias with 100,000+ articles. To get there, the Russian Misplaced Pages would need to knock the lowest-count off (Spanish, at 142,000 articles). GeeJo ⁄(c) • 19:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Top 10 actually. :-) Prodego 20:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)