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my advocacy for Mahawiki

Hello Sarvagnya,

I hope all is well. I have responded to your message on my Talk page. Best,--Amerique 23:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that it would be in your best interests of getting a good article to not perjoratively debate using terms like "summarily trashed" and using CAPS and also ordering perople around like "Get that straight". Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Vande mataram

Urdu translation was included because it was written by Mr. Arif mohammed khan and very relevant to that particular section. So pls dont removed the reference as well as the translation. Bharatveer 09:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)Bharatveer 09:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for promptly fixing Bangalore

Thanks for the prompt rv on the Bangalore page. That was an excellent job! Take care. --Antorjal 20:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Hi, I've added some additional comments to the notice board. To summarize, I don't think it matters if the national anthem is in Hindi or in Bengali masquerading as Hindi, I don't see any added benefit from adding translations in native scripts to articles in the English Misplaced Pages and per your suggestion, I think we should do away with them. Hope this helps AreJay

Infoboxes for districts

Good job!!. we just need to get the pertinent information in now, including a district map. All districts should preferably have same format. Any Ideas where to get the info from?

Dinesh Kannambadi

Info is easy to get but is a little scattered. For starters, some districts have their websites. You can fine them here. Most info should be available there. Population figures are available here. In a hurry now. District maps can be found by googling or on those district websites. But I dont know if we can use them. Never used an image from anywhere. So dont know about copyright etc. More later. gtg. Sarvagnya 14:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:INCOTW

Hello. I noticed that you started new sections on Vande Mataram and other songs on the above mentioned talk page. Were you intending the comments to be places there? That talk page is only for the collaboration of the week. For topics like this, WT:INWNB would be of better use. I have moved the discussion there. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 16:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Sarvagnya — good job on the infoboxes for the districts. I was initially intending to work on improving the content of all Karnataka districts, but have been unable to do so due to other committments. The only district that I feel I was able to significantly contribute to was Bagalkot and it was my intention to model other Karnataka districts' content on this. Also, I've had a chance to create taluk-level vector maps for all districts (along the lines of the map in the Bagalkot article), but again, have not been able to upload them as of yet. Just wanted to thank you for your effort and wanted to let you know that I will be involving myself with the improvement of these articles just as soon as I can find some time. Thanks AreJay 23:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I typically create vectors using Adobe Photoshop. I just realized the other day that all the vector maps I created got wiped out because my laptop crashed. However, the good news is that it won't take me too long to recreate the maps. As far as your other question, I haven't contributed much to the Chennai page recently, but my understanding is that all population figures for 2006 are estimates taken from World Gazetter. I think the website also gives you estimates for towns and districts in each state. Thanks AreJay 13:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Sarvagnya

Looks like the Mahawiki goon has started to vandalise my 1 years worth of work on "Rashtrakuta" calling it pro Kannada. We need to come together and teach him a lesson. hope you find time, Dinesh Kannambadi

Calm talk

Please try to remian calm and stay on topic as to what is appropriate info for articles. That way your chances of getting a favourable content resolution increases. And please don't call opposing edits as "vandalism". That is a form of personal attack, I am aware that Mahawiki does have a very aggressive mindset, but please refrain from responding in ways not relevant to article content, thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

No apologies required

I made the same mistake yesterday with Portal:India! - Aksi_great (talk) 19:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Autogenerate? If you mean the text of the summary, then no - there is no way to do that. You could just copy the lead and make a few changes to it. Also check summaries at Portal:India. I copied the summaries for the initial 4 Gujarat SAs from there. - Aksi_great (talk) 19:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Stop your folly and issuing warnings for no reasons

Stop issuing warnings for no reasons.I dont even want to talk to u,let alone personal attacks.I know ur disturbed by discussions on Belgaon page.Stop taking it personally and dont come to my talk page ever.U r ignored. Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. mahawiki 19:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya,its enough now.When did I have personal attacks with u today?Are u OK?I didnt even READ ur comments on Rashtrakuta,forget about replies.I replied to Dinesh,not u so when did I have personal attacks on u?Why did u give me warnings?Stop this yarr.Its enough now.Just like ur badmouthing me here,did I issue any warnings?I dont want to talk to u,let alone personal attacks.Stop behaving like a child.I have even stopped editing at Rashtrakuta and busy editing other articles of my concern.This is my last warning to u.U r purposely creating a scene.Let me again tell u stop taking revenge of Belgaon issue.Make that very clear-U dont deserve my attention and bandwidth let alone personal attacks!mahawiki 20:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sarvagnya. Please take the courtesy to voice your concerns by writing a short personal message pointing out the issues. MEchanical warnings are considered to be unfavourable unless it is used for vandals, not established contributors. Definitely there is a problem, which I have poiinted out to him. There does seem to be a vast majority of text on discussion pages which are off-topic rhetoric. The posts on the talk page shows that everybody is speculating too much about each other's personal attitudes to regional bias in India, rather than what is correct info. I think perhaps if people can put down a simple statement about what parts of the article are misleading or unbalanced I can have a look, but if people continue to have 75% innuendo and speculation on regional bias/aggro, blaming who did what edits, etc and ascribing motives then a mediator can never see what the content issue unless they sit on a computer 16 hours a day with nothing else to do but try and decipher something which is not clearly stated but is mixed into rambling innuendo personal complaints. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Thanks for your vigilance. If we have to portray history as accurately as possible, we need to be fully aware of facts (from scholarly research ofcourse) and learn to deal with die-hard people who only want to put forward their egos and fight no end . I dont think we have seen the last of this unfortunately as this bitterness is bound to surface elsewhere. Good luck!!

Dinesh Kannambadi

My Thoughts

I have put together a few additional lines into your link file . Looks fine and will sure be a big job. From my side over a period of time, contributions to Wildlife and History is for sure. I have already started to put in info/pictures into pages for various Wildlife Sanctuaries in South Karnataka and I plan to travel to north Karnataka over the coming years (Dandeli, Anshi, Rennebennur etc). I am also going to create seperate pages for Chalukya architecture (seperate pages for early/later Chalukyas), Rashtrakutas, Vijayanagara etc. I have already done so for Hoysala architecture, focussing more on elements of architecture. All this will ofcourse take a couple of years. Another intersting item that could be considered (though hard to achieve) will be pages for Kannada coinage and inscriptions, somewhere hyperlinked inside empires/kingdoms/language page. I have started on this also by photographing Hoysala inscriptions ("Kannada" page). The idea will be to if possible portray the progression of Kannada characters and prove its antiquity. For someone who likes to travel to ancient temples, this should not be too difficult. For instance, Kappe Arabhatta's poerty on stone in Badami(700C.E). I have seen a photo online taken by some Indian tourists but I dont think we should/can just copy it. I will try to contact them and see if they want to upload it into Chalukya/Kannada page. I have identified some 15 books, spanning topics of History/language that I shall order, read and input from, though as one may guess, all this will take some time. Dineshkannambadi 19:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Plz discuss all those contoversial matters on those respective talk pages,dont write those things on my page. Secondly lets get citation savvy.Any changes in Belgaon article should be supported by a citation.Thanks. mahawiki 06:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

To remind u again,plz discuss this things on talk page,I dont appreciate such messages on my talk pages.Plz find some citations to add 'that' information.Lastly,dont talk anything personal in ur responses.Plz try to remain civil and respect others opinion too.Thanks.mahawiki 06:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people

I just reverted because apart from adding Wadekar, I added some NPOV clarifactions to the cricketers which you reverted. I simpmly objected to your deletion of the descriptions of Indian captains and their records. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

thank you

thank you for your comment, I do appreciate it. I assure you that I will always refuse to judge a nation based on the (mis)behaviour of individuals. best regards, dab (ᛏ) 20:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Email

Can you pls email me??-Bharatveer 04:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not seeing any email option in your user page?-Bharatveer 06:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Behaviour

Please lighten your tone in discussions with other Wikipedians, especially your frequent use of the word "damn". I realise that it may be frustruating to argue with users who hold different opinions, but civility is very important to keep in mind. I have also talked to Mahawiki about his behaviour, and I hope things can be settled between the two of you. Thank you. Mar de Sin 19:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

When users have conflicts, all are held responsible for their actions. If there is someone who is more aggressive, that person is not the only one at fault. And as for the use of the word "damn", I have noticed that you used it two times in two days, once on Mahawiki's and another on Haphar's talk page. I have also noticed that you talk about Mahawiki on other user's talk pages in an uncivil manner that can be considered very offensive. No matter how bad you think he is, insulting his edits is not justice for being mean. I'd suggest that you should try to debate in a more polite way. This will get you a long way in Misplaced Pages, as being kind to those who are unkind to you can do you a lot here and elsewhere. Mar de Sin 01:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

KarNaatik and karnaatik

Hello Sarvagnya. With reference to your edit to Carnatic music, the combination "ಕರ್ನ" almost never occurs in Sanskrit. In names where modern Indian languages use "ಕರ್ನ", Sanskrit almost always has "ಕರ್ಣ". As a result, both the name of the region "Karnataka" and "Carnatic music" are written "ಕಣಾ೯ಟಕ" in Sanskrit. Take a look, for example, at the way "Karnataka" is written on page 257 of Monier-Williams dictionary (it is near the top of the third column). If this explanation answers your query, would you remove the fact tag you inserted? -- Arvind 19:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Kannadi/ga

I see. Well, thanks for the reply. To me, it just seems like a lame argument and a distraction from editing. "Karnatakan" would be the intuitive English term for inhabitants of Karnataka. If this is actually becoming some sort of POV dispute, you could consider using that.

Another question: is Mahawiki actually inserting "Kannadi" into articles, or just using it on talk pages? If it's merely the latter, would it be possible to just ignore him? If he's just doing it just to provoke a reaction, then ignoring him will probably take the fun out of it and get him to stop. And if not, well, some people are just stubborn. --tjstrf 20:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj

Hi, I read about ur comments on Shivaji Maharaj on my talk page.I dont think ur name calling will in any ways defame him.I would request u to develop article on that Kannadi queen u talk about rather than insulting others.Remember if u think 'Chatripati' is COOOL we might also think that Chinama is HOTTT! I request u to stop ur nasty comments and for god's sake dont come to my talk page ever! Thanks. mahawiki 04:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvganya you are not helping matters by jumping in and using such language. I would request you to refrain from using provocative language and terms. Let's get things on a civil note before carrying on.One request to you is not to respond as of now. Haphar 14:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Do Not Remove Messages From Talk Pages

Hi there, you must be knowing that removing messages from talk pages (if they are not obscene/vandalism) is a violation of Misplaced Pages's policies. Be a little more alert from next time.

Patrolling the ocean called Misplaced Pages|Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Refrain From Edit-Warring, Name Calling

I recieved a complaint 1 against you. Please refrain from edit warring and name-calling.

Patrolling the ocean called Misplaced Pages|Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I have warned him

Patrolling the ocean called Misplaced Pages|Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 08:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Blocking Tipu

I got your message: , and am aware of the links you had provided. However, I have warned him to be careful with his language, his choice of words was rather poor. Let us give him a chance to reply. Blocking does not serve the intended purspose always: a person can come back with a diffierent name, and continue to waste resources. Let him reply and give him a chance to reform. In case, he repeats or does not reply, the optioon of blocking is always open. --Bhadani 17:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I think he deserves a chance. --Bhadani 17:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of speedy tag from Image talk:Kaveri river at Tiruchirapalli.jpg

Hi there. I saw you removed the speedy delete tag from Image talk:Kaveri river at Tiruchirapalli.jpg, saying I dont understand this. The user Sundar who has commented above is an admin himself. Please talk to him before you tag it or delete it. Thanks. Let me explain to you what I am guessing is what happened. The image you tried to go to the talk page on is actually an image on MediaWiki, not Misplaced Pages. You incorrectly created a talk page for this image on Misplaced Pages, so the talk page is showing up as not having an image associated with it. Such pages are speedy deletable, which is why I tagged it as so. Please be careful to make comments on the talk page at MediaWiki next time, instead of accidentally creating a talk page on wikipedia for MediaWiki images. If you wish your comments to be saved feel free to transfer it, but I am going to re-tag that page for speedy deletion shortly. VegaDark 21:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Tipu sultan/hero w/e

Looks like he finally united both Hindi/Marathi and Kannada Hindutvavadi's. Bakaman _Bakatalk 22:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I gave him his first warning, even before you guys interacted with him. Hindutvavadi = Follower of Hindutva. Even though I've clashed with you on language pages, I'm a Hindu wikipedian first, and an Hindi-speaking second.Bakaman _Bakatalk 22:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Here you go.Bakaman _Bakatalk 22:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

1. I dont watch Bollywood
2. I'm Tamil, but I speak Hindi and read Sanskrit. If it was my preference sanskrit not Hindi would be the official language
3. I dont watch any kind of Indian movies
4. I dont even live in India
5. I'm surprised you are still acting incivil when I'm trying to support you against tipu sultan/hero/etc.

Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I already have enough POV fights that I'm in. I'm not interested in getting into another (Especially one I actually dont care about). As I said I'm Tamil and I could care less whether Gowda or Thackeray wins the fight. I will add that Karnataka is the better state because its ruled by a BJP ally.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Stop bitching and calling names

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. Sarvagnya, Its high time u stop bitching and bad-mouthing me.I am not shameless or troll as u mentioned on nor i cry wolf, bluff at . Stop it right now! mahawiki 03:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

I think it would be a good idea to request mediation between you and Mahawiki. Thanks. Mar de Sin 18:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Underconstruction tag

I think if you leave {{underconstruction}} on too long without making any modifications, the tag loses its meaning. Therefore, I generally remove the tag if the article has not been edited for a week. While this is not official policy or even (yet) a consensus, I do think that it is necessary for the tag to not become meaningless. --Nlu (talk) 15:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Signature

I am new to Misplaced Pages. Can you tell me how to change my signature ? Mayur Lal 12:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hasting tagging of Seuna page

Sarvagnya, looks like our friend is back to tagging. He tagged the Seuna page without reading on history first. I have untagged it. Looks like its history time!!!

Dinesh Kannambadi

Signature

I tried to get my "signature" right for easier discussion as you mentioned, but somehow I am not doing it right. How exactly do you get your signature to appear? Of course using the four ~ helps. "Nanagenu Tondaray Illa. "Suena" vishaya chennagi odukondu tyyaragidheney". Dineshkannambadi 18:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Ponna

I viewed it and still shows the Italian graph thing. May be I should log out and log back in. That helps at times. Also, when I created the page for Ponna I did as "Sri Ponna" as thats the name that was used by my sources and hence did not have a problem.

Thanks Dineshkannambadi 18:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Uttara

I will set this email thing right tonight. Neevu Heluvudu nija. Ivaribbarige manassu sari illa. Yellinda bandaro kanay. Dineshkannambadi 17:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

email

I have confirmed by email. waiting for reply from wiki.

Dineshkannambadi 18:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Mahawiki

I am sorry but I am not an admin and cannot help you too much. I will review your case soon, but it's best to talk to an administrator, especially someone suitable as a moderator. Thanks. Mar de Sin 21:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Mahawiki

Please refer to your message regarding above user: LInks, etc.

I shall study the contents, and if I find that WP:CIVIL has been broken, I will take necessary action. Please be assured that I may take some time, but I will ensure as an administrator that suitable action is initiated. --Bhadani 21:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Received your message also. It looks like Bhadani is on the case. -- Samir धर्म 00:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Hi Sarvagnya, I have noticed that you have posted complaints regarding User:Mahawiki to many administrators. I do not approve of some of the language that User:Mahawiki has used. However, I believe that there is much that you could do to cool down the atmosphere. For example, after Mahawiki posted this comment suggesting to another user to use calm language, you responded with an accusation (in edit summary) that Mahawiki was trolling. I think you could be more careful in avoiding unnecessary accusations. Sincerely, BostonMA 22:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply:

Hi Boston,

In the links you gave me, and , please observe carefully. What I described as trolling was not Mahawiki's request to Tipu to calm down. If you observe carefully, in his clever request he has slipped in blatantly inflammatory troll that Karnataka is torturing minorities etc.,. That is what I referred to as trolling. Sarvagnya 23:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I am sorry, I misread it. In my mind, I read it as "I do not know of torture etc. Thank you for pointing this out. --BostonMA 23:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Sarvagnya, I see that you have sent user talk space messages to many Indian administrators. Spamming talk pages is not a proper way to do it. You can report problems you have with other editors on WP:ANI page, which will be read by a wider audience. Regards, --Nearly Headless Nick 10:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

confirmed by email

Lets see how this message appears with my userid Dineshkannambadi 02:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

signatureDineshkannambadi 13:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I do the ~ so as to leave a time stamp and its also another way to leave behind my signature. Now that my email has been authenticated, does that mean my user name will automatically appear with my messages or do i have to do a User:.... eveytime I send a message? Alo I put my name at the bottom more by reflex. It also halps to seperate two messages in case of prolonged discussions. Forget my question. I see that my signature appeared in my previous message yesterday.

Dineshkannambadi

You and Mahawiki

Hi! I am a Mumbaikar currently in Bangalore. I had a look at Mahawiki's edits and I agree his use of terms like "Kannadi vandals" is strongly deplorable. Also, some of his edits are not right. I would request you not to loose your cool and not to reply in the same tone. I had a look at Mahawiki's message User talk:Bhadani and found that you've also fueled the war by making use of phrases like Chatripati Shivaji (though I agree major trouble has been created by Mahawiki, and not you). I guess Bhadaniji is actively dealing with this issue, but anyway I've left a message on Mahawiki's talk page and would love to be a peacebroker here. We've already got a lot of trouble due to regionalism in our country, let's not make a Misplaced Pages a place to fight things out. :) utcursch | talk 14:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Your msg. on my talkpage

Hi, unfortunately, I am very busy and not in a position to look into the matter. Pl. try WP:ANI. You may want to condense the message when you place it there. All the best, --Gurubrahma 14:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-light

I thank you for your message. However, I would request you to resolve the issued yourselves. Once you do it, you shall find a new wiki-light enveloping your wiki-life. However, in case, you fail to resolve the issues, please take up the same at a better and the proper place. Regards and all the best!. --Bhadani 17:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Kaveri River

I went to make an edit to Kaveri River today, and notice that it is protected. If you and Mahawiki will agree not to revert each other until after the issues have been resolved on the talk page, then it would be my hope that the protecting admin would be willing to lift the protection. Please consider this request. Sincerely, --BostonMA 20:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sarvagnya. I have responded on my talk page. Sincerely --BostonMA 21:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I left a short commment on my talk page. It is not a comprehensive reply, but I need to take some rest now. Talk to you again tomorrow (US time). --BostonMA 00:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Try again

I have clicked "Enable e-mail from other users" switch.Dineshkannambadi 01:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

Hi again!

I see the problems between you and Mahawiki involve:

• civility issues
• content issues

As about civility, let bygones be bygones. Let's decide that from now onwards, both of you will be more refined while dealing with each other. That's the only way of resolving this matter. I can't really catch your necks and ask you to be friends (I would've done that that if you were both present in front of me...) Just make sure that you stay cool, don't mount personal attacks and assume good faith.

As about content issues, next time you feel that the other person is adding POV to the article, instead of starting a revert war, just drop a note at Misplaced Pages talk:Notice board for India-related topics. All editors who are knowledgable about India will try to arrive at a solution.

If everything fails, the only option is Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. utcursch | talk 03:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I agree we'll have been wrong sometimes. But let bygones be bygones and from now onwards, let's be civil and use the notice-board for content-related issues. Also, please go through Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes carefully. :) utcursch | talk 11:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

Hi. We need to get in pictures of the famous haridasas inclding Kanakadasa. I would like them in the Vijayanagar page also. Can we copy/scan it off the pages in the Haridasa link I have provided in the Haridasa page?

Dineshkannambadi

Dispute resolution

Hi! I believe Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment is the next step. utcursch | talk 12:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Chalukya

I have received permission from a wiki admin to use Photos taken by my friend at Pattadakal/Badami as my own (with permission). So in the next few weeks as soon as i get them, I shall have a page ready on Badami Chalukya architecture. I shall defnitely visit the place too later too.

Dineshkannambadi

Phenom

Hey ignorant fool, if you don't know about Indian rock bands don't put silly tags. It makes you look like an idiot. Don't try to mess with us. Again, if you put stupid tags on Phenom article I'll call an admin PhenomenalRock 17:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Kaveri

Hi there! Sure, I'll take a look at the article, but it probably won't be until late tomorrow evening. Just off the top, I think this is a well written article but I'll read through a little more tomorrow and see what areas, if any, can prove contentious and how we can appropriately add citations to the article. Unfortunately, edit warring is something that all contentious articles experience regardless of whether or not the articles are well cited. It is one of the fundamental problems with having a wiki encyclopedia. AreJay 02:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Sarvagnya! I'm a little busy now with a couple of things on the Norwegian wikipedia, but I will have a look at the article on Monday or Tuesday and tell you what I think. At a quick glance, it seems quite promising, and I don't think there're likely to be any real issues. I have a couple of academic papers about the dispute buried somewhere, which I will also try to dig out. -- Arvind

Hi again Sarvagnya! I've now had a detailed look at the article. Apart from a few points of wording (mainly the use of words such as "amazingly" and "obviously"), it seems fine. There are a few points I'd like to add, though.

• First, I'd like to add a section at the top which describes briefly the chief contentions of each State (Karnataka has those three or four volumes it published setting out its case, for example, which make five main points). I'd also like to relate the stances taken by Karnataka and TN to the various principles that have been advanced internationally in the general context of river disputes between upper- and lower-riperian states ("prior appropriation", "absolute sovereignty", "equitable allocation", and so on). I'd also like to add percentages into the table you have at the beginning, which will make the significance of the figures much more obvious.
• Secondly, I'd like to emphasise the politics a bit more: there has been a strong correlation both in TN and Karnataka between winning the most seats in the riparian districts and winning control of the State Assembly, which essentially means that taking an extreme stance pays off politically and reduces the chance of compromise (as has been pointed out in several academic analyses of the dispute). Additionally, the increase in the dispute's intensity in the 80's also coincided with the weakening of the national parties and of the central government generally, which has reduced its ability to force a solution.
• Finally, I think we need to link this to the wider context of the problem of water resources in India, which are getting scarcer, referring to things such as the dramatic (and downright scary) drop in the water table in much of southern Karnataka as groundwater gets used up.

Let me know what you think. If you're OK with these suggestions, I'll have a go at adding these into the article over the weekend. -- Arvind 23:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Jana Gana Mana

My comments on the JGM talk page was this

Sarvagnya and Arya_Rajya_Maharashtra are again undoing/redoing Hindi to Devanagari. Can you guys discuss whats wrong. This talk page has enough information already about this whole issue. Just few lines above on this page Sameer Khan has provided some logic about some of his changes. So why this issue again ? What's wrong with Hindi and what's wrong with Devanagari either ? --APandey 13:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

What accusation did you see here ? As is very clear I am OK with either you putting Hindi or Arya Rajya Maharashtra putting Devanagari. Although I would personally like Hindi because of the logic provided by Sameer Khan. Now where is the question of me accussing you of anything or having problems with you. I do not have time for all this, you know. Thanks. --APandey 11:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Seuna

Looks like these guys have got together with one more person and started to just put tags and remove stuff without even getting me involved in it (considering I put together the page)

Dineshkannambadi

Hi! I made two changes to the "Seuna" article, that might be considered controversial. Firstly, I put {{fact}} tags. That was because the citations produced were "according research by XYZ" -- there was no mention of which research etc. This is fair enough I guess. No content was removed from the article. Secondly, I suggested that Seuna be merged with Yadava Dynasty and the new article be located at Yadava dynasty or Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. This again, was not without discussion -- I initiated the discussion at Talk:Yadava Dynasty#Merge and also put a pointer to it at Talk:Seuna#merge_rationale. I've given reasons for the merge, please do have a look at them. I also left a note of Mahawiki's page : "let other editors (including Dinesh) provide their views" (and this was before Dineshkannambadi left a note on my user page). I am not anti-Kannada. Earlier, I've been accused of being anti-Maharashtra by Mahawiki. I guess, that's because I don't let things like regionalism, linguistic patriotism or religion come in way of my edits. I just want an accurate article, without any POV, whether pro-Kannada or pro-Marathi. utcursch | talk 08:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again! I've moved Seuna to Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. No content has been removed. Some content has been added to make the article NPOV. I hope it's OK with everybody now. Please do drop by to tell if something is amiss. Everybody is free to edit the article, but please don't add POV (pro-Marathi or pro-Kannada). utcursch | talk 12:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Not really. Littering talk pages with bogus warnings is vandalism. Consider yourself warned, any more useless garbage on my talk page will be removed.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

hi Sarvajña — I agree this is misbehaviour, and I did of course not expect otherwise from this user. But since I do not want to escalate this into personal feuds, could I ask you to look for assistance from the wider admin community at WP:AN/I. dab (ᛏ) 07:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Godse was executed for murder, no need to dispute that. Nobleeagle 08:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I was talking to Bakaman...perhaps I should've put it on his talk page, my mistake. Nobleeagle 05:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply to your message

I am not very keen on complaining about you at the admin talk pages as you suggested. That will not solve the purpose because you will never ever change your views. However as I said you have been showing some indecent behaviour in that discussion. Earlier also, you left me a bogus warning for no reason. If you follow the thread carefully and read all the discussion with intent, you will understand what I am saying. Do not use the language like "Let me refresh your memory". Thanks. --APandey 09:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude, thats why I asked you to read the discussion threads with intent. Can you show me a single line in that thread where I said that you are biased (although personally I very strongly feel that you almost always push your POV). I said that I do not want to reply to your points because u r beyond my comprehension. And then you said hundered of things in reply to me, to which I refrained from replying. you even warned me for no reason. I don't know whats the matter with you. --APandey 10:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Dr. Kamath

My statement about Dr. Kamath was not a "sweeping statement". See User talk:Mahawiki#Re:_New_name_of_Yadava_dynasty for the fully story. (Try , in case this page gets archived). I didn't "dismiss Mr. Kamath with a wave of my hand"; in fact, I said "But still, he is a notable historian, so his citations are valid." utcursch | talk 11:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Carnatic Music - Admin abuse

Yeah he must be otherwise he cant reverse edits like that.

We have sufficient representation now (in terms of having speakers of all relevant languages to support the cause) to proceed against this menace. Please keep checking back often in the next few days. We should do something about these linguistically biased admins and provide some objective content there for wikipedia users. We should not allow WP to be hijacked by vested interests. --Kris 22:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

We will take article one by one and work at making them objective.--Kris 22:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. We can use that. It is funny that after indirectly calling me names (as spammer), he turns over the same blame on me saying that I called him a liar. If consensus has been reached, where do all the dissenting folks like you and me go? I have asked him to try for that consensus that he claims was reached. ;) --Kris 00:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagna, as I said, I am not against portraying these composers as "composers" or as "trinity of ancient tamil music". I realize that this issue has raised a heated debate on both sides, so I dont mistake you. We should be aware of both areas (Ancient Tamil Music and Carnatic Music) to effectively end this debate. I can claim (with all humility) to know something of both. And in my view, even though the ancient tamil compositions are sometimes included as karnatic concert pieces, it does not make them Carnatic Music compositions. Their basic nature is that of Tamil devotional hymns (both saivite and vaishnavite works are there). Their composers are basically tamil devotional music composers. Whereas people like Thyagaraja, Dikshitar etc composed "classical music with a devotional flavor". This is what we have to make them realize. --Kris 00:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Halmidi inscription

Hello Sarvagnya,

Some months ago, I typed up a transcription of the Halmidi inscription. I think it's the only online text of the Halmidi inscription, something I'm quite pleased about. Anyway, since you have some knowledge of Halegannada, I was wondering if you'd be able to provide a translation of the inscription. The article should, ideally, have the Halegannada text, a translation into modern Kannada (with a romanisation) to show the relationship between the two, and an English translation. Do you think you could do that?

A picture showing the actual inscription would also be great - or, at the least, a graphic file showing how it was written in the Old Kannada script. -- Arvind 10:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ

ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ ಸರ್ವಜ್ಞರಿಗೆ. ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ವಿಕಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಸಕ್ರಿಯರಾದ ಕೆಲವೇ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಲ್ಲಿ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಹೆಸರು ಕಂಡು ಬಂತು. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಎರಡು ವಿಷಯಗಳತ್ತ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಹಾಯ ಕೋರುತ್ತ: ೧) ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಪುಟಕ್ಕೆ ಇತ್ತೀಚೆಗೆ ತುಂಬಿ ಹರಿದ ಜೋಗದ ಫೋಟೋ ಒದಗಿಸಲು ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಿಸೋಣ. ೨) ಕರ್ನಾಟಕಕ್ಕೊಂಡು ವಿಕಿಪೀಡೀಯ ಪೋರ್ಟಲ್ ಮಾಡುವ ಅವಶ್ಯಕತೆಯಿದೆ. ನೀವು ವಹಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತೀರ? --H P Nadig * 06:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

carnatic composers

Made a few changes in wording. Do we need early-modern distinction where its in chronological order? I removed this.--Kris 19:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Taluk infobox

Hi Sarvagnya, I have replied to your message on WT:INWNB. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 23:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Karnataka

Hello. This nice article is already categorized by "Rivers of Karnataka" category which is already a subcategory of category "Karnataka". This is common policy here. - Darwinek 22:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)