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This article has virtually no references that are RS for the content. At any rate, it's not proper to simply deny the concern and then remove article improvement tags. The tag should be restored until any editor who wishes to remove it can show that no further RS citations are needed. The article as it stands today is basically fringe promotion, and may be deleted if it's not improved. SPECIFICO talk 00:26, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I've removed all the unsourced content and I feel that this article now requires the Notability tag. Do not remove this or you may be blocked from editing. Please read the policy concerning tags and their removal. SPECIFICO talk 00:57, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Daily Mail removed

Not RS. Please see SPECIFICO talk 17:50, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

History and movement

Do not reinsert without secondary independent RS citations to establish due weight and noteworthiness of this material.

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International Movement for Monetary Reform

In 2014, Positive Money initiated the International Movement for Monetary Reform to reunite similar organisations around the world:

  • Australia: Fair Money
  • Bulgaria: Чисти пари
  • Croatia: Budućnost Novca
  • Denmark: Gode Penge
  • Finland: Economic Democracy (Talousdemokratia)
  • France: Monnaie honnête.
  • Greece: FEKyou.info
  • Germany: Monetative
  • India: Money Reforms
  • Israel: שינוי מוניטרי
  • Iceland: Betra Peningakerfi
  • Netherlands: Ons Geld
  • Ireland: Sensible Money
  • Italy: Moneta Bene Comune
  • Poland: Pieniądz Pozytywny
  • Portugal: Boa Moeda
  • Puerto Rico: Dinero Justo
  • New Zealand: Positive Money
  • Slovakia: Férové Peniaze
  • Spain: Dinero Positivo
  • South Africa: Firstsource Money
  • Sweden: Positiva Pengar
  • Switzerland: Sovereign Money initiative (German: Vollgeld, French: Monnaie pleine, Italian: Moneta interna). There will be a national vote on this initiative on 10 June 2018.
  • United Kingdom: Positive Money

SPECIFICO talk 15:54, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. Template:Fr Monnaie honnête, France, official website (page visited on 23 February 2018).
  2. Sovereign Money initiative, Switzerland, official website (page visited on 23 February 2018).
  3. Cite error: The named reference IMMR was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. Template:Fr Monnaie honnête, France, official website (page visited on 23 February 2018).
  5. Sovereign Money initiative, Switzerland, official website (page visited on 23 February 2018).
  6. Template:Fr Objets de la votation populaire du 10 juin 2018, Federal administration of Switzerland (page visited on 23 February 2018).
Hello. Thank you for your message. What do you mean by 'secondary independent RS citations'? Is the official website of an organisation not a reference on its own members?
Adèle Fisher (talk) 16:01, 23 February 2018 (UTC).
The reason we need independent reliable sources is to establish that the article content is noteworthy and significant information for an encyclopedia. Please also see the link at WP:WEIGHT. You did a good service adding such references to the beginning of the article, but it's important to put the rest of the article in context by adding similar independent discussion of the organizations activities. There are help references available at this link . Thanks for your contributions. SPECIFICO talk 16:08, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
You should not reinsert content that's been challenged by removal. On WP we don't publish "original research" that is not directly and explicitly supported by published reliable sources. I've removed your reinsertion of invalid content. SPECIFICO talk 16:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for these explanations. How can you decide that something is invalid when a source is given?
Adèle Fisher (talk) 16:20, 23 February 2018 (UTC).
Please slow down and please see these pages: SPECIFICO talk 16:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
If you see so much issues on this page, why don't you fix it yourself instead of deleting content and then just talking about it? Showing how to imporve things would help new users. And please answer the question on your talk page too.
Adèle Fisher (talk) 16:58, 23 February 2018 (UTC).

Third opinion?

Hi, someone requested a WP:third opinion on this page, I'm offering to help. FrankP (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello. We have a Single Purpose Account that came here and to other articles relating to this organization on its first day and appears to be putting unsourced or irrelevant content on various articles. Seems to have quieted down now. Thanks for volunteering at 3-O. SPECIFICO talk 19:00, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
OK, yes I see. @Adèle Fisher: just to add to what has been said about notability, although something like an organisation's website can be a source for itself, it does not itself establish the notability of that organisation. Notable organisations get talked about, referred to in newspaper articles and so on, those are the kinds of references needed. FrankP (talk) 19:09, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for these informations. Specifico, could you tell me here which content that I wrote in this article was 'unsourced'?
Adèle Fisher (talk) 18:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC).

Notability

For your information, on 23 February 2018, Specifico nominated this article for a discussion on: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Positive Money. As it seems to have happened without notifying interested projects and editors, I post this message here.
Adèle Fisher (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC).

Primary sourced and blog sourced content

An editor has reinserted primary sourced and blog sourced content here

While this may be very exciting to members of the organisation and their friends and family, there is no indication that this is encyclopedic content or that it is any more significant than the thousands of other groups who get this kind of day in the sun at Parliament. This content should be removed unless an independent secondary RS publication can be found to demonstrate its significance. SPECIFICO talk 13:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't know why you added the comedy sheep link. I don't remember that being discussed in parliament. Reissgo (talk) 14:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
If there is significant article content, it should be easy to demonstrate its significance with secondary RS references. The narratative of Dyson's epiphany or his reading habits, without an explicit and essential connection to the subject of this article, is not encyclopedic. We could just as well recount that Margaret Thatcher got food poisoning one winter's night in 1976, descended into a week's delirium, and awoke knowing that Joan of Arc had visited her to insist she run for PM. @FrankP: SPECIFICO talk 14:11, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
The Grip of Death story could scarcely be more relevant. It was the reason the organisation got started in the first place. No grip of death, no Positive Money. The story has been repeated very widely. Nobody doubts its veracity. Reissgo (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
For the record you can see Ben Dyson himself tell the story 40 seconds into this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sgcWIsJVyg Reissgo (talk) 16:58, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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