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Elie Wiesel

Is it possible to protect his article? It really shocked me how vulnerable Misplaced Pages is to vandalism. Thank you.

Thanks for your answer!Wintceas 23:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan

Great summary of the Matthews interview on the Cindy Sheehan page. I only hope the anonymous poster doesn't revert it back to the full transcript. He's been pulling similar nonsense for hours. --Eleemosynary 02:16, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Dittos, the summary is far more informative than a long transcript. Reports have it Ellemosynary has an injured Wiki mouse clicking finger with all the reverts. Kyle Andrew Brown 02:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Llama

Not sure if you figured it out, but this is Tim Cama.

I thought the llama was unofficial. I don't remember where I read it, though.

Jesuschex 16:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, isn't the average entering age 16, not 15?

Jesuschex 18:03, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: SRC Stuff

The llama is probably one of those "not really official, but might as well be" things. It was the athletic department, not the administration that bought the llama suit. I think that at most universities, the Board of Trustees has to approve the mascot for it to be "official." I doubt they (well, Overseers in our case) wouldn't approve it.

I'm not sure of the enrollment either.

Maybe we should just clear up the discrepancies one way or another, whether they're right or wrong.

Jesuschex 19:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Israel

You're probably right. The units and multipliers from the table might have confused me. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 02:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Sharon's alleged death

Already got it. I undid your edit because it restored the red links. Thanks for keeping an eye on the article (also note that haaretz are actively updating their main article here). Regards, El_C 20:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Re:Illness of Ariel Sharon

Hi, Gabriel. I'm completely baffled! All I wanted to do in the article, for the time being, was add the tag for the discussion of my proposed merge. To that effect, I clicked the regular "edit this page" button (not the oldedit link in the history). I did not intend to revert anything, and didn't notice that I had. I apologize for that, but all I can think of is either a glitch in the system or that I might have been distracted somehow and clicked in the wrong place...can't see how though, since the procedures are quite different. I'll fix it, if it hasn't been fixed already. I'll also post in the article's talk page explaining this. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Regards, Redux 13:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Norman Finkelstein

Hey, Gabriel. This morning I was following recent changes and noted the editor 131.173.252.9 making drastic changes to a number of articles concerning historical actions of Germany. Little did I know that in reverting the large numbers of apparently POV comments that I was landing myself in a mudhole of a POV conflict between two very drastically oppositional sides of a conflict in which one seems to be pushing a historically inaccurate pro-German revisionist POV and others are out with other issues in mind that conflict. By any means, I just wanted to get a second opinion and perhaps some information, if you follow the controversy, regarding the whole branch of German History and modern-day pro-German rhetoric thing that seems to be happening. As I said, I was rather suddenly plopped into the middle of this whole to-do, and it's rather bewildering for someone who knows little outside of the fragmentary pieces of historical information I've been able to piece together from the articles available. Thanks! --Kuzaar 06:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, Gabriel. I'll just keep doing what seems the right thing to do, then. :) --Kuzaar 22:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Notes from Adel: It's nice to see you and Kuzaar discussing this issue, I didn't know Norman F until I came across his name somewhere, then came to my favorite place to read about him and what do you know, I can see turf wars that are pushing agenda. I once again removed the comment about Haaretz paper in there, first of all "it is an Isreali" paper and it will be "Biased". Second, you can just reference a "paper" with out date and article number and so forth. If you guys claim to be editors on this cool site called "wiki" then make sure to get your references accurate other wise you are pushing agenda and opinions instead of "FACTS". so go ahead and add that comment in again but make sure you have link to the specifics of the article. Thank you sir. Unisgned post by User:adelhaj GabrielF 00:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Anti-Semitic people

Vote They are attempting to close the +cat AGAIN, please vote to KEEP. SirIsaacBrock 11:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Israeli_apartheid_%28phrase%29

Haaretz (thanks)

Thanks for changing that 2nd time. I didn't realize there was another instance in the article spelt Ha'Aretz, so my edit summary may have been harsh. Thanks for fixing it. -- Ynhockey 17:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Doublecheck Tic edit

Thanks for the edit on the Tic page: can you please doublecheck your information? I attended the conference referenced below, and although I don't have either of the Sacks' books, this is the bio info that was included in the conference literature and pamphlets for Mort Doran:

The Tourette Syndrome Association, Inc., Connecticut Chapter 1998 Educators' Conference
Understanding and Managing Tourette Syndrome, and the Associated Disorders, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder & Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in the Classroom.
Friday, November 6, 1998
With Keynote Speaker Morton L. Doran, MD,
Surgeon written about in
The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat by Oliver Sacks, MD
at Western Connecticut State University
Westside Campus, Danbury, CT
"This year's keynote speaker is Morton L. Doran, MD. Dr. Doran is a practicing surgeon, professor of medicine and recreational pilot who has had Tourette Syndrome since early childhood. He was featured in a book, The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat by Oliver Sacks, MD, a perceptive look at living successfully with neurobiological disorders. Dr. Doran was the featured surgeon in New Yorker magazine's article about a surgeon with TS. He is a dynamic and highly respected spokesperson for the Tourette Syndrome Association in the USA and Canada."

Thanks ! Sandy 03:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Gabriel ... I just found an online copy of the table of contents, and you're right! OK, so the surgeon (Mort Doran aka Carl Bennett) was in "Anthropologist ... ", and Witty Ticcy Ray (the drummer also referred to in the article) was in "The Man ... " ... I have to make those changes in several places. How embarrassing that the conference bio was wrong ! Thanks again! Sandy 04:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice contribution

Very thoughtful wording added to the top of the ant-Semitic people category page. Perhaps you might want to weigh in on a parallel and rather endless discussion taking place in the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talk page concerning his listing in that category.--Mantanmoreland 15:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Pirx

Tnx for the note, I guess updating the article has slipped my mind. I have now specificed that one of the sources is a clear reference.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Martin Luther

I can appreciate the effort, but you've missed out on months of debate here. I'm afraid you're setting off another firestorm, where the proponents of labeling Luther anti-semitic will insist on listing him in both. I would very much prefer if you would just leave him in the antisemitic catagory and let the dust settle on this article. --CTSWyneken 19:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Gabriel

Thank you Gabriel for your help with formatting!

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Bosniak#Bosniak.27s_Reply

Borges

Glad to see someone working on Bibliography of Jorge Luis Borges, but could you please see my note at Talk:Bibliography of Jorge Luis Borges#Confusion? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 18:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi JMabel,

Thanks for your note. Unfortunately I'm at work now and can't check my source for the bibliography (Collected Fictions translated by Hurley, which I believe is considered authoritative). I may have misread Hurley or made a typo somewhere, its possible that I meant to list the stories by the collection in which they first appeared in Spanish. I will check later tonight. Either way, I chose to list them by collection because that's where most readers will encounter them, but now that I think about it that might not have been the best choice. Also, I'm curious if you think the table format is appropriate and if not, if you have any ideas to improve it.

Thanks,

GabrielF 18:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Gabriel, this is one of the few areas where I will claim to be genuinely expert. I started reading Borges about 35 years ago. Although I'm a native English speaker, I first encountered his work in Spanish, and, as it happens "Jardín de Senderos" was the first thing I read. I was hooked. At that time, large amounts of his work were not yet available in English translation; the first English translations date from about 1960, and the bulk of it was first translated between about 1968 and 1975. Our featured article on "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" is 90% my work.

I also have Collected Fictions at home, and I'm also at work right now. I think you will find that you are listing Spanish-language dates (which, in my view is as it should be, but we should say that is what we are doing: date of initial publication is far more important than date of first translation into a particular language, even the readers' language). Yes, most of those stories are now readily available in volumes more or less corresponding to the original Spanish-language publications (or somewhat grouped together, as was the case even in later Spanish-language editions), but (for example) quite a few of the most famous stories had their first book-form English language publication in Labyrinths (1962), which was a bit of a hodge-podge (especially in that it brought together work of multiple translators of various qualities; for example, James Irby's translation of "Tlön…" is certainly not on a par with more recent translations, including Hurley's). Quite a few of these had appeared in magazines in the two or three years before that; I believe that Labyrinths lists all of those in the front of the book. Unfortunately, a good chunk of my personal library is in storage at the moment, but I do plan to dig out all the Borges some time in the next few weeks. - Jmabel | Talk 18:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Gabriel, would you mind e-mailing me? Jayjg 22:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Your note

I responded on my talk page. Pecher 18:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hezbollah casualties

The three sources currently cited for the Hezbollah casualty number of eight do not contain that information. Cheers, Tewfik 15:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks for explaining. Tewfik 15:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Lebanese Casualties

That is fair. I was hesitant to alter the format of the conflict box, but if you are WP:Bold, I'll support that. Cheers, Tewfik 22:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Six day war

Thank you. Can you also please take a look at the second point in mismatches in Talk:Operation Focus. Tintin (talk) 04:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Seattle

Gabriel, cut-and-paste moves are best avoided, because they mean we lose the page history, and the article then has to be deleted and the histories merged. I've just done it, but the server can take some time to catch up, in case it looks wrong in the meantime. Nice work on the article, by the way. SlimVirgin 06:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

No worries. It all came out in the wash. :-) SlimVirgin 20:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Category: Anti-Semitic People

Gabriel, you may be interested in the discussion in the talk page of this category, particularly the latest entry.--Mantanmoreland 16:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Seeking programmer/techie input

We need your advice at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Sidebar redesign proposal. --Nexus Seven 03:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Response to Programming Question

Hi Nexus Seven,

I am a programmer, but unfortunately I'm probably not the right person to answer your question since I know very little about MediaWiki. However, I do think your idea is a good one and I'm almost sure that the work involved to implement it would be minimal. Probably the biggest difficulty would be getting the right people to agree to it, since it is a change that would effect all of wikipedia. I'd suggest talking about it on the IRC channel #wikipedia on freenode. Someone there should at least be able to point you in the right direction. GabrielF 13:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I just took a brief look at some of the documentation for MediaWiki and it seems to me that this would require no code changes at all, just a change to the template wikipedia uses. GabrielF 17:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Would you provide links to the specific pages you referred to above, so that I can point others to them? Where is the template to which you referred, and the documentation on it which you found? --Nexus Seven 20:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Please remember

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. - Glen 21:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

A few more

. . . that you might be interested in. Morton devonshire 23:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

CT List

Great idea. --Peephole 01:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you feel the "Mo"? Got the bastards on the run matey. Morton devonshire 01:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Dylan Avery

As nobody really seems to want to speak up for this, I've gone with WP:Bold and merged. I'd do the same with the other two crew members, but I'm not sure if I should if they're up for AfD. Your thoughts?--Rosicrucian 00:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Voting vs Discussing

Hi there, I'd just like to comment on your remark "19 deletes vs 7 keeps is no consensus apparantly". Well, apparently not, since AfDs (and in general straw polls in Misplaced Pages) are not votes. Best wishes in your campaign. PizzaMargherita 06:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually User:Peephole left the comment you're referring to. The page is in my userspace but others have edited it. GabrielF 12:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'll remove these inflammatory and meaningless statistics. PizzaMargherita 12:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability (books)

Hi, you were recently involved in a debate where Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) was cited. This proposal is under development and would benefit from being assessed by more editors. Perhaps you would be interested in expressing an opinion at the project talk page. NB This does not have any bearing on the previous debate in which you were involved. JackyR | Talk 19:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry

After stumbling upon Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, I had no choice, I had to do something, anything. AlexeiSeptimus 04:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

911Cruft?

Hi, I don't have time to keep track of all articles-for-deletion on wikipedia; is there a general place to discuss the deletion of 911-related articles?

I am not amused by the many deletions. Misplaced Pages is the place I go to when I need a balanced opinion on things that may be controversial. On the rest of the internet, everything is POV. If wikipedia would give undue credibility to any theory, book, DVD, author, researcher, then the wording of the article must be POV. Deletion cannot be the answer.

The notability criterium is meant to avoid articles on `nobody´s`, not to avoid articles on specific people. — Xiutwel (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Xiutwel,

There really isn't a great place for you to comment on the 911 conspiracy AfDs because although they are all related, the discussions are separate for each of them. However, I've come up with a few options if you want to put something on the record. You could try posting a message on the Misplaced Pages:Village Pump, you could try going through the Misplaced Pages:Dispute Resolution process, although I personally think that this step is a bit extreme. You can also comment on the AfDs that are still open.

I'd like to point out that wikipedia functions by consensus and in every single case (23 by my count) where consensus was reached on an AfD nomination the consensus was to delete or either delete the article or to merge and redirect. Please understand that these articles were not deleted because they were poorly written or unsourced but because they dealt with non-notable topics, such as books that are in a total of 10 libraries, movies that have generated no press coverage, people whose only claim to notability is that they helped produce movies that generated no press coverage, etc. I can appreciate from your message that you have a clear vision of what wikipedia should be, but I hope you understand that your vision doesn't really conform to WP:NOT, which is the official policy that describes what wikipedia is and isn't. For example, wikipedia isn't an indescriminate collection of information. Also, please note that wikipedia is not a soapbox. When someone creates an article about a completely non-notable book it has the effect of promoting that book and that is contrary to our mission.

Please note I've copied this comment to my talk page so I can better keep track of the conversation. 22:26, GabrielF 22:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Dude

Re: no more Afds. Now what, I feel empty inside.  : ) Morton devonshire 22:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Kenneth L. Kuttler

If Kenneth Kuttler is notable for anything it is putting his 300-something page Linear Algebra textbook on his personal website for free in pdf form: http://www.math.byu.edu/%7Eklkuttle/Linearalgebra.pdf. That's pretty awesome. AlexeiSeptimus 00:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, a Calculus textbook http://www.math.byu.edu/%7Eklkuttle/calcbookB.pdf and a pattern for a gingerbread house http://www.math.byu.edu/%7Eklkuttle/adele.pdf. AlexeiSeptimus 01:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Controlled-demolition article

The AfD closing recommendations are not being implimented and the article is just getting longer. Some more involvement may be necessary. AlexeiSeptimus 02:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Carcharoth's comments

See his comment re The War on Freedom Afd at . Morton devonshire 00:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange Close & Re-List

The Afd that you voted on at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/James W. Walter has been closed and relisted by an Admin at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/James W. Walter (second nomination). Before re-listing, the vote was 19 delete, 5 keep. Morton devonshire 22:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!

Welcome, GabrielF, to Esperanza! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is Stressbusters, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Misplaced Pages events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. We will send you newsletters to keep you up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Proposals.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact our administrator general Natalya by email or talk page. Consider introducing yourself at the Esperanza talk page! Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). If you're new to IRC, you may find help at an IRC tutorial. I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Misplaced Pages a better place to work!

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NBGPWS 04:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Rosicrucion, I'm glad to see you took action on that homosexual sex act article! Thank you! NBGPWS 04:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair Warning

Charming, no?--Rosicrucian 04:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)