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Please change the final sentence to "They have been displayed in the Museo Egizio in Turin since their arrival, and an entire gallery is devoted to them." Many thanks - SchroCat (talk) 07:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Stephen 10:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Stephen, much obliged to you. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 10:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Charles Fisk quit physics after unknowingly working for the Manhattan Project and became an organ builder? Strange, he only started studying physics after the end of WWII, so the order in which things are presented here seems dubious, his work on the Manhattan Project wasn't as a physicist but as a technician: and whether his later switch to organ building had anything to do with the Manhattan Project is debated, as can be seen in the article. The juxtaposition and arrangement of facts into a narrative in this hook is wrong. Fram (talk) 10:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree that the hook is somewhat synthish. Suggested alt:

*ALT1: ... that some years after unknowingly working for the Manhattan Project, Charles Fisk quit physics to find his vocation as an organ builder? Gatoclass (talk) 12:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

• ... that Picher, Oklahoma, was hit so hard by a tornado in 2008 that it would become a ghost town in 2015? Er, no: "Eventually, the EPA and the state of Oklahoma agreed to a mandatory evacuation and buyout of the entire township." because of lead poisoning, before even the tornado hit. The tornado at most accelerated things for a few people, but it didn't cause the town to become a ghost town. Fram (talk) 10:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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ALT1: * ... that after a 2008 tornado, Michael Chertoff likened Picher, Oklahoma to a nuclear bomb site? Gatoclass (talk) 11:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Needs a comma after Oklahoma per MOS:GEOCOMMA, but otherwise sounds good to me (assuming it passes all the usual checks) UndercoverClassicist 12:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Substituted, thanks - Gatoclass (talk) 12:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Luigi Mangione was described as "somewhat of an online sex symbol" following his December 2024 arrest for murder? He isn't convicted and pleads "not guilty", so at the very least this should be changed to "alleged murder" to not give the impression that he is convicted. Fram (talk) 10:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Surely it's obvious that somebody who has just been arrested has yet to be convicted? Gatoclass (talk) 11:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree. Not an error.--Launchballer 11:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

But an extremely negative aspect of a WP:BLP, sometimes which should be avoided on DYK. Perhaps people solely known for but not convicted of alleged crimes should simply not be the subject of DYK at all, as it is impossible to write a hook without either trivializing the issue (just try to imagine the "pleasure" the loved ones of the victim will have when seeing the suspect paraded here as a sex symbol) or giving the impression that the suspect is guilty (which, even with the "arrested for", is exactly what happens and is the reason we have WP:SUSPECT and the rule about not focusing on negative aspects of a BLP on DYK). Fram (talk) 11:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

The whole world knows who this guy is by now, it's hard to imagine a DYK hook somehow prejudicing his case at this point. The "sex symbol" aspect has also been widely canvassed in the media, so again, I can't see a DYK hook making any substantive difference one way or the other. Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

We normally don't ignore BLP (and DYKBLP and WP:SUSPECT) because it has been widely reported elsewhere. Fram (talk) 12:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

With respect, the issue you are raising is a broad one concerning DYK guidelines, that this venue is not designed to address. It is an issue that has been raised multiple times before at DYK and IIRC the consensus has generally been that it is an issue best addressed on a case-by-case basis. Personally, I'm inclined to the view that for a high-profile case like this, any such concerns are by-and-large moot. Gatoclass (talk) 12:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I would say that the police arrested him for murder, not alleged murder. They are alleging that he committed murder. "Despite being an murderer, he was described as something of a sex symbol" would require "alleged" - in my opinion, the above doesn't. 130.111.220.19 (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

• I have removed "for murder". He has been arrested because he is suspected of murder and has pleaded not guilty. It is not OK to shorten this to "arrested for murder" in a BLP. Our assumption is that he is innocent, per WP:SUSPECT. —Kusma (talk) 13:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Fram (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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Today's OTD is missing a colon after January 10. It reads January 10 Tenth of Tevet (Judaism, 2025), but it should read January 10: Tenth of Tevet (Judaism, 2025). 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Template:Main Page/styles.css → Misplaced Pages:Main Page/styles.css

– Not a subtemplate of {{Main Page}} (a redirect to {{Main Page toolbox}}), but instead of the actual main page. Main-page-related cruft tends to get put in Misplaced Pages namespace, so the CSS page should go there too. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Iffy★Chat -- 14:09, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

TemplateStyles CSS pages must have the sanitized-css content model to function, and only .css pages in the template namespace have that by default. I think it will keep the content model if moved outside of the template namespace, but if not, an admin can change it with Special:ChangeContentModel. (No opinion on which namespace is most appropriate, but when creating it, Template was the only option.) --Yair rand (talk) 02:55, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment - did not understand Yair rand's comment, nor do I understand what this "template" does as it has no documentation, but if indeed it's not a subtemplate of {{Main Page}}, then this clearly needs to be moved to a different name. --Gonnym (talk) 09:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

  Gonnym, Misplaced Pages:TemplateStyles may help you understand the comment. In short, the template will store the CSS rules which will be used to style the main page using the TemplateStyles extension of MediaWiki. Personally I would prefer that the Main Page be replaced with {{Main Page}} and all the markup be moved to Template:Main Page which is what Wikidata and Commons do. However, I think that I am among a minority. — fr  10:13, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

• I have added this comment to the top of the CSS page to help clarify it (To any admin: feel free to improve my wording.) Remember, the Main Page is unique in that it is in the main article namespace, but is used like a portal, whose content is largely generated by templates. Unless there are modifications elsewhere (such as using Special:ChangeContentModel), my understanding is that a TemplateStyles CSS page must currently remain in the template namespace for it to function properly. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

  Counterexample: Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:12, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment the mainpage is a portal, so shouldn't it be Portal:Main Page/styles.css ? -- 65.94.42.18 (talk) 03:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

  No, because that would be inconsistent with Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Tomorrow, Misplaced Pages:Main Page/sandbox, etc. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 04:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Zero benefit. This is similar argument to mainpage being in article space and attempt to move it being consistently shot down. Misplaced Pages:Main Page/styles.css is also wrong, since mainpage is not in the project namespace, unless you can move it to Main Page/styles.css, then template namespace is the only and best place for it. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support better place to put it than the template space. Keeps everything as sub pages of one page. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Not only is there no benefit but it is supposed to be a template and not a page Abote2 (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
• Tentative support. As noted above, most of the non-mainspace pages related to the Main Page are in projectspace, and I don't see why this should be different; it helps to put everything together. "Tentative" because maybe moving this page across namespaces would cause technical problems (as it would if we moved the aforementioned module, for example), and of course it's more important to avoid breaking something than to have everything in the same general area. Nyttend (talk) 01:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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