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- Talk:Phaistos Disc/Archive1: discussion of unicity distance, minimal length for decipherment
- Talk:Phaistos Disc/Archive2, 3, 4, 5, 6
- dispute over notability of J. Faucounau's reading
Golden Ring from Mavro Spelio
Just for your information, Mr Bachmann, may I call your attention upon the "Annexe n° 3" of the J.Faucounau's book Les Origines grecques à l'Age de Bronze ? It is a very short, accessory study of the said inscription, considered by J.F. as the only known document in Linear A, which could be written in Proto-Ionian Greek. A translation has even been given, but considered by the author as nothing but an interesting possibility (personal discussion with J.F. about one year ago). J.F. has emphasized in another article (unpublished but that he was kind enough to give me a copy of) that Linear A has been used to write several languages (including Semitic). But, of course, you will consider all this as amateur's dreaming , I guess... You are so well informed by one of your compatriots, Mr Bachmann !.. (User 80.90.57.154 , 17:12, March 26, 2006).
"Inscription Text" Section - Unicode?
Is there a reason that this section does not use the {{Unicode}} template? The net effect of that template is to add <span class="Unicode">...</span> tags around the text. That would thus enable the use of personal CSS stylesheets, as discussed on the documentation page for {{Unicode}}. Below is a sample of how I would propose to code this section:
¦ 𐇑𐇛𐇜𐇐𐇡𐇽 | 𐇧𐇷𐇛 | 𐇬𐇼𐇖𐇽 | 𐇬𐇬𐇱 | 𐇑𐇛𐇓𐇷𐇰 | 𐇪𐇼𐇖𐇛 | 𐇪𐇻𐇗 | 𐇑𐇛𐇕𐇡 | 𐇮𐇩𐇲 | 𐇑𐇛𐇸𐇢𐇲 | 𐇐𐇸𐇷𐇖 | 𐇑𐇛𐇯𐇦𐇵𐇽 | 𐇶𐇚 | 𐇑𐇪𐇨𐇙𐇦𐇡 | 𐇫𐇐𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇮𐇩𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇪𐇪𐇲𐇴𐇤 | 𐇰𐇦 | 𐇑𐇛𐇮𐇩𐇽 | 𐇑𐇪𐇨𐇙𐇦𐇡 | 𐇫𐇐𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇮𐇩𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇪𐇝𐇯𐇡𐇪 | 𐇕𐇡𐇠𐇢 | 𐇮𐇩𐇛 | 𐇑𐇛𐇜𐇐 | 𐇦𐇢𐇲𐇽 | 𐇙𐇒𐇵 | 𐇑𐇛𐇪𐇪𐇲𐇴𐇤 | 𐇜𐇐 | 𐇙𐇒𐇵|
—Grollτech (talk) 00:47, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- I couldn't read any of that.Myrvin (talk) 18:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- I looked at what I could find on this page and elsewhere in Misplaced Pages and tried to do what I thought would show the Unicode characters, but they are still not showing. I downloaded and installed the Noto Sans Symbols and Everson Mono fonts, but that didn't work. Isn't there any way to EASILY tell people what they need to do to show the characters instead of the "unknown character" characters??? Maybe I missed it, but I've had this problem MANY times. WHY even have these characters here like this if they are not going to show for "99% of the population"? --WillBo (talk) 09:04, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Flipped
The articles on both the disc and the associated axe list horizontally flipped images of the disc symbols. The 'pedestrians' and the 'heads' are depicted facing left while on the disc they face right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.42.228 (talk) 09:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- The images are flipped on purpose, explained in the main text. Search for "with the glyphs mirrored compared to their orientation on the disc". Arie ten Cate (talk) 17:50, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
river nile and phaistos disc
If you follow the chevrons on the disc they may coincide with the level of water in the river Nile ( spirals symbolizing whirlpools and one spiral being rising water and the other spiral falling water). The bow and arrow ( is arrow a lily?) word may correspond with the only other two symbol word on the disc at the disc centre -the helmet and water wave.The 2 symbol words would correspond to December 21st when the Nile starts to falls reaching its lowest level in june. It rises from june to December.
Oblique strokes.
This site states that there are 18 oblique strokes on the disk. I think that in the name of science the page should state exactly where those strokes are, since there is disagreement on this subject. In fact, whereas the page here says that there are 18 oblique strokes, I count only 17 strokes in the actual disk photos on the page and your illustrations of the different cells (under the heading "inscription text"), show 17 strokes in the upper illustration and 19 strokes in the lower illustration. This needs straightening out. - Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.153.48.25 (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Rotation
Do any of the sources suggest reasons for rotation of the characters? I can't see any discussion in the archive here and the current article summary of "This suggests that these rotations might be deliberate" seems a bit weak when the discussion only really mentions character crowding without any more obvious discussion among the experts as to whether rotation may be irrelevant or not (compared with the likes of Cree syllabics, for example). Harami2000 (talk) 08:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Reference Style?
Some of the references in the article as of my writing (July 26, 2018) are in wiki style, others are in scholarly paper style, e. g. "Godart (1995:101)". In terms of Misplaced Pages style, would it be valuable for someone (me) to go through the article and convert the non-wiki references into the local format? IAmNitpicking (talk) 11:05, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2018
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- "Phaistos Disk. Passing" (PDF). D.Artifex. 109.252.83.140 (talk) 18:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:09, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
/* In Popular Culture */
The Phaistos Disk was the subject of the thriller "The Pharoah Key" by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child, 2018. 2601:204:D500:2836:B032:3CC2:A082:1B42 (talk) 18:15, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Why everybody looking at this disk like on the language?
If you will count the spaces, you will see 12 around and 19 on one disc and 18 on another. Maybe there is some mistake and also should be 19. Look at the meaning of this numbers. 12 means a lot in many cultures. It looks like this disks was used for some prediction. As it was found in sacral place. Also looks like a some game. Need to ask someone about ages 12-18-19 at that time. Maybe it also has some meaning.
12. From ancient times it was believed that the number 12 governs the world order. It is present everywhere, starting with the mythology of various peoples of the world, and ending with the modern system of time control. Examples - mass: 12 gods of the Greek pantheon and 12 deeds of Hercules; 12 tribes of Israel and 12 apostles of Christ; 12 imams of Muhammad and 12 tribes in the Buddhist wheel of rebirth.
19 "As the number 16 is an indicator of the focus on satisfying carnal desires, so its antagonist number 19, speaks about the importance of the intangible. The number nineteen in numerology is classified as good, however, for those who think only about the affairs of the physical world and do not care about the soul, this is not the best sign that can destroy their lives. The number sixteen is a symbol of the lower plane of being, purely material - and the number nineteen speaks of everything sublime".
The number 18 is the ultimate karma, the number of occurrences of the body of consciousness and the complete formation of the physical body. A person seeing a number must understand what it is talking about. ! 8 hours or hidden 6 if we look at the dial or 1 + 8 = 9.
As you can see, the numbers go different displaying the physical and spiritual essence of a given number. A person at the age of 18 is able to realize what is good and what is bad and to realize that if he does bad, then this evil will definitely return to him.
Eleonora Shah
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