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Melbourne meetup in planning

Hello, you've indicated that you're interested in future Meetups in Melbourne on this list, so I'm giving you this message to remind you that Melbounre meetup number four is currently in planning. If you haven't already, please go to Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Melbourne to suggest possible dates, times and locations. Thanks --Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 02:44, 3 December 2006(UTC)

A Comprehensive WorkChoices Article

G'day Adam. Based on some of our previous contact, I'm sure you'd be in favour of cleaning up the WorkChoices page a bit. I did a research assignment during the course of my VCE this year on the issue (with the help of the Government brochures, which make more sense than you'd think), and I'm in the process of fashioning it into a respectable article. I've currently got the page located here. If possible, I'd appreciate your input on it. Evolver of Borg 04:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

pedigrees

You may wish to check the several genealogical trees mentioned at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Greek pedigree of Empress Sisi. Maed 02:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Skyring

Adam, I refer you to this edi . It appears that he is back at it. Xtra 02:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Michael I of Romania

I wonder if you might take a look. These kind of sectarian disputes among eastern europeans of various stripes generally leave me puzzled and annoyed, but the version of the article that StefanP wants seems pretty clearly to be full of anti-Michael POV. At any rate, the article can only benefit from the eyes of someone else who is both knowledgeable and not Romanian. john k 18:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Adem Somyurek

He doesn't - http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/handbook/searchresult.cfm?menuid=1&memberId=1593 - Misplaced Pages Pedant's Society at it again mate. PMA 11:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Adolf Galland

Hi Adam, thanks for raising this issue with nicknames, particularly with respect to Adolf Galland. Nicknames are an intergral part of fighter pilot culture, as such I believe that wikipedia articles on pilots should include them. Furthermore, the infobox template for military people Template:Infobox Military Person has a field for nicknames. I will add a suitbale verifiable reference for the nickname as soon as I can. Regards,Mumby 14:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Photos

G'day Adam Sorry mate - I thought it was the convention. I didn't know how to upload photos, but thanks to you I know and I am greatful of it. As a result, I'll keep using the "ac" in your honour (if that is okay with you - otherwise I'll stop). Thanks for your assistance and your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Cheers Scorpio80 04:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

/* Whitlam */

A lot of the Whitlam article has gone from left-wing bias to right-wing bias - especially in the Loan Affair and Dismissal sections - can you fix it? PMA 05:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

DLP

Adam, thanks for fixing the article on the DLP. I hadn't thought of splitting the article between 'Old' and 'New', but am very happy that you did so.schgooda 20:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Goebbels

OK, but I will not have time until the weekend. I just dropped by to check my messages before going on duty.--Anthony.bradbury 11:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, done.--Anthony.bradbury 19:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi; no, I have no other source. Schirer, while peraps not a professional historian in the classical sense, has written a number of major historical books about Germany in the Nazi era, and, as you say, was right there at the time. I would suspect, without any evidence whatsoever, that relevant medical records were destroyed during the Nazi era. It is perhaps fair to point out that the only sources for his having a club foot were contained within wartime Allied propaganda, which may well be less reliable than Schirer. My personal medical opinion, from watching films and which I accept is wholly WP:POV and probably wholly WP:OR as well, is that he had a short leg but not a club foot. The walk is different. (I have been an orthopedic surgeon).--Anthony.bradbury 00:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

OK. Club foot is the standard layman's term, and it is absolutely always congenital. No exceptions. The technical name for it is talipes equinovarus, with a very much less common variant (<1%) being known as talipes calcaneovalgus. The different terms indicate whether the foot is in an unnatural inverted position (equinovarus) or everted (calcaneovalgus). The long bones of the leg (and of the arm) have growing points at both ends. Osteomyelitis, an infection within the bone marrow, will often cause the destruction of one or the other of the growing points in one of these bones, a condition which might be called septic osteoblastic dysgenesis.This will result in the bone growing at one end only; the growing end does not compensate for the non-growing end, leading to an ultimately short leg. It might be argued that this in turn caused in Goebbels a psychological need to demonstrate his superiority over his compatriots, but I could never justify this comment in an article.--Anthony.bradbury 00:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I did not answer one of your questions. If it is not congenital it is not a club foot. Again, no exceptions.--Anthony.bradbury 00:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I am quite certain that Kaiser Wilhelm IIs withered right arm played a major part in his psychological determination to destroy the British Empire, of which his uncle was the titular head. Hard to prove, though. Yes, I am a historian, albeit an amateur one.--Anthony.bradbury 00:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem at all with questions, but at some point we are going to stray into matters of opinion. A severe attack of osteomyelitis, in the pre-antibiotic era, will cause significant collateral damage to tissues other than bone. Schirer says that surgery was performed, but I can find no data as to what was done. You, as a historian of the period, will appreciate as I do that a great deal of documentation relating to the leaders of the Third Reich was destroyed after the NSDAP came to power. In my personal view, this condition would almost certainly lead to an underdevelopment of the muscles of the leg; a brace may or may not have been necessary, but would certainly be more comfortable. persisten referred pain down into the foot is also a reasonable expectation. I do not wish to beat a drum over this; it seems to me that my version is, on balance, more likely than the club foot idea. But neither is proven.--Anthony.bradbury 16:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Melbourne meetup

Greetings, person who is listed as being interested in future meetups in Melbourne. The fourth meetup will be held on 18 December, at Lower House in Fed Square (in the Alfred Deaking building, Flinders Street end near the Atrium: map), starting from 7pm. We don't currently have a separate location for discussion beforehand, but there'll be plenty of time to talk wiki over dinner. --bainer (talk) 14:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

T4

Article looks good and reads well. A couple of minor textual points - while it may well be true that The NSDAP believed epilepsy and schizophenia to be hereditary, this is not in fact the case; and of course, you have perpetuated the statement about the Herr Doktor's alleged club foot.

There are a few footnote refs I can add, and I can fill out some of the red links.--Anthony.bradbury 16:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it worth making a cross-ref to Wannsee conference, where T4 was discussed as being a useful lesson in the consideration of die Endlosung der Judenfrage?--Anthony.bradbury 17:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Port Phillip Herald

Can you help me with what to do at Talk:Port Phillip Herald - Lentisco is being unreasonable i feel. PMA 05:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Burma/Myanmar

Hi! Please join us! Chris 18:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The DLP guy

I'm hoping that after a couple of days of getting constantly and promptly reverted by various people he'll get a clue and find something better to do with his time. If he's still at it in a couple of days, I'll see if I can find a neutral admin to do something about it.

Congrats on finishing up at work - have any plans for all this free time? Rebecca 00:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit to German Resistance article

My source was cited in the "edit summary". I did not realize that this text is truncated at 160 chars.

Here is the full text of what I intended the summary to say:

--- Some details are wrong. According to Schlabrendorff, the bottles were described as brandy, not Cointreau, the parcel was handed to Brandt to carry on, not placed on the plane, by Schlabrendorff, not Tresckow, Schlabrendorff retrieved the bomb from Brandt, not the plane, and the detonator cap failed, not the explosive. My source is Schlabrendorff's own memoir as quoted in "20 July" by Fitzgibbon. ---

That is, 20 July, or The Shirt of Nessus by Constantine Fitzgibbon. Though what I have is an abridged paperback edition titled Officers' Plot To Kill Hitler. The Schlabrendorff memoir was Officers Against Hitler.

You say the previous text was from Fest? I have Fest's Hitler and his summary of the attempt (p. 728 of the 1974 HBJ edition) has nothing about how the bomb was disguised, why it failed, or how it was retrieved. I think Schlabrendorff's own account ought to be authoritative, and I doubt that Fitzgibbon misquoted him: he used 5 1/2 pages.

Sorry to go on so long, but I'm new to this, so I need to explain the screw-up.

BTW, you don't know me, but I know you: I've used your elections archive many times. I note you don't have U.S. House of Representatives election results from before 1998. The Clerk of the House has made the results from 1920 to 2004 available on the Web; 1920 to 1990 are scanned-image PDFs, but 1992-2004 are also in HTML.

If you would be interested, I could try OCRing the PDFs, to generate text versions for your archive. I would also do the proofing.

Rich Rostrom | Talk

Roosevelt family

I was merely reverting a page blank made by the previous anonymous editor (86.143.229.117). The "dutch jew" part was added by 87.88.121.4 a week before my revert, so I didn't really consider the info in article to be inaccurate or a product of vandalism. Tom.k 15:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I'm glad there are people who watch articles more carefully than RC patrollers can. Tom.k 15:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Goebbels

What a very good article this has now become. Well done.

I think that, in view of the limited primary sourcing, inserting the osteomyelitis/club foot item into a footnote is ideal.

Trivial point - do you really think that Himmler was the architect of Die endlösung der Judenfrage? I would have thought that it was Hitler, by undocumented verbal command to Goering, and via him by written command to Heydrich. I obviously know that Himmler was the titular superior of Heydrich, but you know as well as I do how convoluted was the configuration of authority in the senior Nazi hierarchy. The documentation relating to the Wannsee conference perhaps leans towards my view? Or do you think not? Himmler, of course, jumped on the bandwagon. as did virtually every senior Nazi except Speer and, perhaps, Doenitz.--Anthony.bradbury 14:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, if the very few existing red links were filled and a couple of typos corrected, I feel we could look for WP:FA status here.--Anthony.bradbury 14:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue IV - December 2006

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 14:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

öö== Final Solution ==

Fair enough, and, as I say and as you know, the configuration of power in the upper hierarchy of the Third Reich was Byzantine in its complexity. But it is unarguably true that the authorising document for the final solution, quoted at Wannsee and which was used as the authority for decisions emmanating from the Wannsee conference, was signed by Goering. Generally recognised, of course, to be following a verbal command from Hitler.(Browning The origins of the Final Solution p 315)--Anthony.bradbury 15:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok. So if Heydrich said this to Goring, whereupon Goring signed his bit of paper to be read by Heydrich at Wannsee, does this not make Heydrich the initiator? At least on paper, given that we know it followed a verbal directive from Hitler? This is really one of those questions where we can have fun for weeks, tossing facts amongst ourselves and showing off our erudition to each other; but at the end of the day I suggest, as was demonstated at Nuremburg, that finding documentary proof of the ultimate responsibility for the implementation of the final solution is not going to be possible. But I am happy to discuss it for as long as you wish.

I answered one set of follow-up questions about Goebbels' leg on 17/12. I have not received any further queries, but am happy to do so; I must say that since we spoke I have hunted through my fairly extensive library, and can find no other sources either for osteomyelitis or for talipes. Is it reasonable to ask a few Orthopaedic surgeons to view the (extensive) footage available of Goebbels and to give an opinion? Or would that count as WP:OR?--Anthony.bradbury 15:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It is, of course, also true that most of the upper echelon of the Party were very keen to be associated with the implementation of the Final Solution in 1942-44, but were much less keen to be implicated in it at Nuremburg.--Anthony.bradbury 16:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Edelweiss (song)#The other Edelweiss

That song you mentioned was sung by German mountain troops during WWII. It is about a mountaineer picking an edelweiss for his beloved girl. See eg here for an English translation. Dagonet 17:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Adam

I didn't know it was stalking to look at your contributions - sorry - it certainly isn't a regular thing - and it was just to see what new articles you've written as i enjoy your work and to see if there are problems you find with articles and people so i can help with them if i can. As per your request i will stop.

PMA 12:49, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Ukrainian Nazi Collaboration during WW2

Hi Adam,

You recently left a comment at the talk page of that article, but now the discussion is almost a bigger mess than the article. It seems Ukrainian nationalists, who refuse to admit any Ukrainian guilt, are now removing facts sourced with a paper by Yehuda Bauer, while anti-Ukrainian racists are writing about sexual relations between German soldiers and Ukrainian women. I was wondering if you could help bring some sanity into this discussion.--Carabinieri 18:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean just that title? That means "Navy mutiny 1917". BTW, the Ukrainian nationalist is getting worse: suddenly the Zionists are to blame for the Holocaust.--Carabinieri 03:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK!

On December 26, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anton Graf von Arco auf Valley, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions!! Nishkid64 01:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Max Reichpietsch

Interesting article, so I nominated it for WK:DYK. A problem, though, is the absence of sources. I added a link used at the Wiki-de as a source (you might want to call that "Further reading"). Do you think you could come up with some more? regards, Odengatan 02:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Photo of premiers

Sorry mate - you don't use that heavy tone one me like as if I did it deliberately. I'm beginner in Misplaced Pages and I don't know how to use these bloody copyright tags. Everytime I use a fairinuse tags then they say there's no rationale even though I had placed a "rationale" and the source of the photo. I did it to Samuel Mauger's photo and someone (don't know who) corrected it and used a PD-Australia tags so I started using that. Also, I told you I thought it was the convention to use ac in naming the images. For God's sakes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry!!!! Can you have any forgiveness for me or can you be a kind man and help me????Scorpio80 05:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)