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Hello
Okay not a 100% sure this is how you leave a message on someone's page but here goes: Actually, it would be a lot more interesting if you gave a detailed explanation how Turkey has been spending X millions of dollars of lobbying, recall of ambassadors, attempting to get any mention of Armenians expunged from academic conferences and museums, and many more things.
My Apple dictionary lists it as action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property. Is Misplaced Pages not public property of sorts? Did I believe that you are deliberately trying to destroy the quality of the article? Yes. In my mind, it qualified as vandalism. Now that you have actually mentioned recall of ambassadors, Armenians expunged from academic conferences and museums, I have changed my opinion a little bit. I think a detailed log of what the Turkish foreign ministry does/did would be something very interesting to add.
Also, unrelated, I remember switching the Misplaced Pages article on Swarthmore to Slutmore when I was rejected. Now that's vandalism. Still, it was very cathartic. Hyios monogenes (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
DYK nomination of In Praise of Blood
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Hello Buidhe, I would like you to send you an email about what I believe is a COI with respect to Saflieni. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JLRever (talk • contribs) 05:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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DYK nomination of True Pole
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Pearls Before Swine
There was no consensus on the change to a primary topic for the title "pearls before swine" at Talk:Pearls Before Swine#Requested move 12 December 2020. Please correct and retarget pearls before swine to the disambiguation page. I've cleaned up other parts of your move. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I count at least two in favor and only you opposed, so I would call that a rough consensus. (t · c) buidhe 15:08, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Please reread the discussion. There was only one expressed support. And please leave the contentious closes to admins. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Congratulations
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December 2020
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DYK for Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust
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Category:War crimes committed by the Home Army has been nominated for deletion
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Belarus
{failed verification|word "un-free" does not appear in source, cannot confirm that results of opposition parties was the reason for criticism}}, - you wrote. the word "un-free" indeed does not appear in source, but first two pages contain similar information. 1. un-free - looks as a synonym to sentences such as " Universal principles and constitutionally guaranteed rights of expression, association and assembly were seriously challenged, calling into question the Belarusian authorities’ willingness to respect the concept of political competition on a basis of equal treatment", etc. through the report. 2. Further, about opposition parties - from report " The marginalization of political parties in the election process was also reflected in the administration of the elections in a manner that sought to actively exclude candidates representing a diversity of interests. While pro-government parties were barely visible and did not put forward candidates in significant numbers, opposition parties were undermined by the arbitrary non-registration of prospective candidates, and at times by groundless de-registrations, thereby diminishing the voters’ choice. 3. Since the article is locked at the moment, please, consider replacing your comment or rephrasing on you own. Best, Violeance (talk) 01:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Violeance Thanks for the clarification. If "un free" is not a quote, it should not be in quote marks; if the real complaint is that the election is unfair rather than that it gives good/bad results to a certain political party—that should be made clear. (t · c) buidhe 01:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Double quotation marks can also be used sometimes to indicate that a word is special in some way, so called scare quotes, which are quotation marks put around a word to show that the writer doesn't buy into the meaning. For example: Women achieved “equality” when they were granted the right to vote in 1920. Best, Violeance (talk) 15:14, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Nice work with Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law
Hey. Just wanted to let you know that I was reading Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law somewhat in passing the other day (after already having been familiar with חוק לעשיית דין בנאצים ובעוזריהם in years past), and I found myself quite impressed with the high-quality nature of your work. Nicely done! El_C 19:54, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Çaylaqqala
Hello. It is time to stop the discussions in Çaylaqqala, Hasanriz and Qırmızı Bazar. Because 7 days are over. EljanM (TALK) 14:12, 27 December 2020
Voting for "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" closing
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DYK for True Pole
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A barnstar for you!
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- Thanks! (t · c) buidhe 17:49, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Genocidal rape Page Double genocide theory pushing
It seems like somebody put the Red army Rapes as Genocidal rape? But the red army was not trying to genocide the Germans in the page history it looks like somebody copied and pasted it from war rape. None of sources used for the Red army rape on the page say its Genocidal rape as it was Copied and pasted from Rape during the occupation of Germany on the page.85.163.4.89 (talk) 15:20, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Genocidal_rape&diff=859962306&oldid=859918790
If you look on the talk page or the page history somebody's trying to push the Double genocide theory.https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Genocidal_rape/Archive_1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.163.4.89 (talk) 15:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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Request for opinion
New year Greetings;
I had opened a discussion @ Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Titles, honorifics and appeal to popularity; one of the answer there I received is fallacy of appeal to popularity won't apply since matter is of tautology.
I thought it would be batter to seek more opinions from those who have edited articles related to List of fallacies and since your edit @ In-group favoritism got denoted in related edits requesting your opinion if you could form any and feel interested in the topic.
Thanks and warm regards
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Image deletion - Picture of Frances Gertrude McGill
Hello Buidhe -- I hope your new year is off to a good start! I wanted to ask your advice about a recent image deletion on WikiCommons. You gave me a very helpful image review for my FAC nomination of Frances Gertrude McGill last month, in which you said the main portrait image of McGill (and other remaining images) had adequate licensing. However, an editor apparently nominated the portrait image for deletion on Dec. 24th , and it has since been removed. Is there any way to argue for its recovery, or is it a lost cause? Thanks, Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Alanna the Brave I am not terribly familiar with Canadian copyright law and how it interacts with US law, but Wikiacc seems to have a valid point, as far as I know. Perhaps you could try discussing with them, otherwise Misplaced Pages:Deletion review is an option. (t · c) buidhe 20:25, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Alrighty -- I may take a shot at that. Thanks, Alanna the Brave (talk) 21:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Help with harassment
Dear Buidhe. Happy New Year! I do not know you but I can see you have kindly listed yourself as admin who is willing to deal with harassment. Could you please have a look at this thread in particular and this talk page in general and see whether there is a pattern of harassment, denial of harassment and mocking the harassed one from any particular user? I am an involved editor, and I need an uninvolved admin to make an independent assessment, please. Many thanks. Regards Armatura (talk) 19:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Armatura, I am not an admin, I cannot help you with this, I'm afraid. (t · c) buidhe 22:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Stefan Ihrig
On 5 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Stefan Ihrig, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to historian Stefan Ihrig, the Nazis sought to emulate Turkey, which they viewed as a "postgenocidal paradise"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Stefan Ihrig. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Stefan Ihrig), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Rwandan genocide case request withdrawn by filing party
The case request Rwandan genocide has been withdrawn by the filing party. The comments made by the arbitrators details arbitrators thoughts on the case request. A permanent link to the case request can be viewed through this wikilink. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 14:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC) (updated 22:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC))
Macclesfield
Hi, I saw you just did the move for Macclesfield Football Club but can I ask if you can revert it? I am sorry for an oversight on my part, I've only just realised that the page was actually hijacked as it was originally for an Aussie rules club but the editor removed what was there and replaced it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:02, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- The C of E God Save the Queen! Now done. Please make sure that the redirects are going to the right place. (t · c) buidhe 09:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
File licensing help
I'd like to be able to add File:Price Raid (cropped).jpg to Second Battle of Newtonia, since a non-map image has been requested in the ACR. It's obviously PD (produced in 1865 and the artist died in 1914), but the Commons image page currently lacks a PD US template, and I'm not sure what the best one to use is. Would the PD-US-expired one work? (I'm not sure if the production of the painting/sketch counts as publishing, or if I need to try to track it down in a pre-1926 book). Or can something be PD in the US specifically because the producer of it has been dead for enough years? Hog Farm Bacon 02:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hog Farm: I think the current licensing is OK. Hirtle chart notes that unpublished works with a "Known author with a known date of death 70 years after the death of author." It was also probably publicly displayed at some point which would count as publication, and therefore PD due to time since publication. But I'm not as picky as Nikkimaria when it's obvious that the work is out of copyright. (t · c) buidhe 03:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look. I'll be adding it. Hog Farm Bacon 04:50, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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admiralty
I think you've jumped the gun there with the move and the updating. Looking at the number and type of articles pointing to Admiralty, the British entity seems the primary topic. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:45, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- GraemeLeggett I found a large number of pages using formulations like "British ]", "] ]", "]" and worse. If the clarification is necessary, it's probably not the primary topic. (t · c) buidhe 12:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- that didn't come up on the talkpage. and doesn't sound a good way to establish primary topic. GraemeLeggett (talk) 13:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- In situations like those Buidhe quotes above British is an adjective, not part of the name. I think the close was precipitate given both the lack of evidence and the lack of participation. DuncanHill (talk) 16:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- I concur the notifications were not of the required standard, the failure to realise the move might be controversial was inappropriate and the execution has been of the move and follow up has been poor. These are not the standards and example I would have expected of a person with administrator/sysop privileges. If this was not such a high impact it would have been rolled back. Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- In situations like those Buidhe quotes above British is an adjective, not part of the name. I think the close was precipitate given both the lack of evidence and the lack of participation. DuncanHill (talk) 16:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Buidhe, with all due respect, your statement makes it sound more like a supervote than a neutral closure. In closing, it's really not your place to decide what is and is not a primary topic. It's merely to assess the opinions expressed by other editors, and to leave a discussion open long enough to get a reasonable number of contributions. This clearly did not have anywhere near enough. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Strongly disagree with the accusations of improper close. No admin is a mind-reader and we can't expect them to magically know what will be controversial, especially since the old title was quite irregular (using a common word for a single country's government department) and only three people participated. If Naval and United Kingdom Wikiprojects aren't aware that these discussions are happening, we have a deeper problem than one administrator. BTW, Buidhe, you tagged the close as nac and I'm confused. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- "only three people participated". Precisely. Therefore it clearly should have been relisted to garner further opinions, especially given it was over the New Year period when many of us are doing things other than looking at Misplaced Pages. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
ANI notice
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- In view of vagueness of the above ANI notice and the fact I have just spent part of by life following it to see if it related to the Admiralty DAB/move issues I would like to point out it relates to concerns of disruptiving editing by others on the In Praise of Blood article. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Djm-leighpark: Thanks for clarifying, and I apologize if I should have done that when I left the notice. I was racing to leave a bunch of notices at the time. Buidhe created an NPOV article on a controversial topic, I reviewed it for DYK... but what happened next will AMAZE you. HouseOfChange (talk) 15:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
January 2021
You have a nasty habit of edit warring. If you make a bold edit, and are reverted, do not edit war. What it is about WP:EDIT WAR and WP:BRD that you don't understand. Please be warned, that I will show precisely zero tolerance for your recidivist behavior. Debresser (talk) 15:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Debresser BRD explicitly states that you have to give a reason for undoing an edit that explains why you think the previous version is better. You have yet to do so with regard to the Citizenship article. (t · c) buidhe 16:00, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is it not clear to you that I think your edit is not an improvement? That should be clear enough, and that is enough reason to revert. Now you must discuss and not edit war. Debresser (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- I probably should apologize. Which I do hereby. I should have seen that your edit was an improvement. Which does not mean I agree with you regarding the behavioral issue, but that just became moot. Debresser (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is it not clear to you that I think your edit is not an improvement? That should be clear enough, and that is enough reason to revert. Now you must discuss and not edit war. Debresser (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Citizenship
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Deportation of the Crimean Tatars
It seems like some one is trying to say its a genocide but the sources say its a cultural genocide in put on this?.47.39.113.155 (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars&action=history The crime did happen that is fact.
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"Marriage in the Republic of Ireland" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Turks in Germany dispute
Hi Buidhe, thank you for weighing in on this discussion, both me and someone else have responded to your request for further data. Can you weigh in further so we can reach consensus? Me and Sseevv are in a bit of a deadlock, do you agree with my motion to relegate the higher estimates to the main body of the article? Will Tyson for real (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
RE Talk:Deportation of the Crimean Tatars
Your comment here showing how "the word 'genocide' is that it has become a value-laden term" is unfortunately very true and that just because something is not called genocide, it does not mean it was any less tragic or awful. On the other hand, calling something a genocide just because one cherrypick sources saying it was one, with no clear academic sources explayining what the academic consensus is, just dilutes it. Also, did no one notice that here, they used Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty when it "was founded as an anti-communist propaganda source in 1949 by the National Committee for a Free Europe"? And I do not see how this source stating three countries recognized it as genocide the be-all and end-all, certainly not to state it in the very first sentence as a genocide; and as you correctly noted, cultural genocide is not the same thing as genocide. I write you also because they referred to Alexander Statiev as essentially a genocide denialist (used in a clearly pejorative way, as the two comments from both users show here, not as a legitimate scholar arguing it was not a genocide) for this article in the peer-reviewed Journal of Genocide Research. Unless I am missing something, it is very scary that one can act like there is consensus among experts something was a genocide (the same way the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust and other undisputed events as genocide among experts) and then accuse both users and scholars to be "genocide denialists." The onus is on them to provide it represents the consensus of scholars rather than cherrypicking sources supporting either view and then stating either as fact or as academic consensus. It should be very easy to prove, if true.
The same user also strawmanned me here. I do not see how one can read this and falsely imply I posted "a typical revisionist rant with ridiculous claims like liberal philosopher John Locke being just as bad as Lenin and Stalin (who personally ordered extrajudicial killing of nearly a million of people during Great Purge), that dictator Augusto Pinochet was a liberal, that mass killings by Communist states are not a fact and other things like that." Are Davies, Fitzpatrick, Getty, Wheatcroft et al. Stalinist apologists? I also never stated that "liberal philosopher John Locke being just as bad as Lenin and Stalin" (I believe I am just consistent in opposing capitalist, Nazi, Soviet and any other group or nation's crimes while they support the equivalency between Communism and Nazism, whcih incidentally is "a typical revisionist rant with ridiculous claims" going back to Nolte) and I clearly stated that killings under Communist regimes indeed happened and are a fact but the attempt of some authors to lump them together as we do in the controversial Mass killings under communist regimes (the less said, the better) is a concept while they implied and falsely accused me of being a denialist or "revisionist."
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- I still wish you could do a legitimate draft of Victims of Communism as rewrite of the article.
Sorry for writing you this but I really respect you as a Wikipedian and trust your neutral judgement. So is this just my impression or were their comments correct? I do not think I never implied what they think I did; I also stated right from the start "his is just a slippery and a reductio ad absurdum just to show ... how slippery slope and reductio ad absurdum your comment and proposal was in the first place." I thought Communist-related articles were the big problem but I think these about genocide and mass killings are too and cherrypicked rather than reflect the consensus of academics and experts, or their lack thereof. This would not be a big problem if our policies and guidelines were actually followed and respected and RfC et al. would be based on the strength of arguments backed by academic consensus (or lack thereof) and reliable sources (not cherrypicked ones). They have not only become a vote (the exact thing they should not be) but they have become partisan votes rather than neutral arguments backed by academic consensus and literature, something that you have shown to actually follow. Seriously, is this just me? Davide King (talk) 05:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Davide King Unfortunately, there are some topics where certain individuals hold strong, preconceived viewpoints that aren't amenable to change based on what reliable sources say. There's not much you can do about it unfortunately. Similar issue at the Greek genocide article where there is cherrypicking and biased presentation intimating that there is a consensus that this event was a genocide that inspired the Holocaust (t · c) buidhe 17:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've actually had considerable success with RfC rather than fruitless discussions with a couple editors, if you are thoughtful about how you lay it out you can often draw in uninvolved editors who will see that your version is better-founded. But I'm not sure that would be helpful in this case. (t · c) buidhe 17:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
In appreciation
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- I had no idea I'd done so many. (t · c) buidhe 23:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- That is just the ones with a MilHist tag on. Goodness knows what the total total is. Er, I mean, no, you've hardly done any. Start pulling your weight.
Gog the Mild (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- That is just the ones with a MilHist tag on. Goodness knows what the total total is. Er, I mean, no, you've hardly done any. Start pulling your weight.
DYK for Esat Uras
On 14 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Esat Uras, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Esat Uras, a major perpetrator of the Armenian Genocide, later wrote "the ur-text of Turkish denialist 'scholarship'"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Esat Uras. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Esat Uras), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
DYK for International Conference on the Holocaust and Genocide
On 14 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article International Conference on the Holocaust and Genocide, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Turkey threatened that Jewish lives would be put in danger if the 1982 International Conference on the Holocaust and Genocide, which covered the Armenian Genocide, was not cancelled? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/International Conference on the Holocaust and Genocide. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, International Conference on the Holocaust and Genocide), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Francoist Spain and the Holocaust
Inspired by your excellent article on Turkey, I've destubbed the article Francoist Spain and the Holocaust. If you get the chance to give it a look over at some point, I'd be grateful! I am certainly not an expert on the subject. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! If you have a minute, could you also add a brief summary to International response to the Holocaust#Turkey? —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Brigade Piron Sure, I'll do that. Your input may be helpful on Talk:Turkey and the Holocaust where another editor is arguing for the inclusion of Stanford Shaw (basically a work of fiction) and arguing that Varlık Vergisi is not an anti-Jewish law. (t · c) buidhe 12:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! If you have a minute, could you also add a brief summary to International response to the Holocaust#Turkey? —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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