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On November 2014, it was proposed that this article be moved from Time Warner to TimeWarner. The result of the discussion was not moved.


Requested move 6 January 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 16:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


WarnerMedia → Warner Media – I would like to reopen this discussion, asI was not thrilled with the results of the discussion. The corporate name is "Warner Media, LLC", and the name is stylized as "Warner Media", so it would make sense to separate the words. When it was Time Warner, those words were not joined together to title this article, and neither should "Warner Media" be, so I would like to come to a proper consensus regarding this move. JE98 (talk) 13:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Strong oppose as before. Unlike your claims, the name is not stylized as "Warner Media", it's stylized as "WARNERMEDIA". Taking a quick look at their website, you can see that everything is plastered with "WarnerMedia"; the only time "Warner Media" appears is in their legal name. This is different from Time Warner, which used to call themselves "Time Warner" on the same site at all times. So do new press releases and so did old press releases. Their social media accounts also give the canon name uniformly in text and visual presentation. Evidently, "WarnerMedia" is the proper WP:OFFICIALNAME for this company.
Furthermore, looking at secondary sources forms the same picture. Weak argument: a Google search for "Warner Media" gives roughly 130k results, while "WarnerMedia" returns >1M (5k and 132k, respectively, in the news section), thus the latter obviously outweighs the former. Strong argument: the vast majority of reliable secondary sources presents the name in unspaced form, and this is easily identifyable when scrolling through the aformentioned Google results. The most recent reliable source I could find is this one, published yesterday. Not to mention literally every source from the time of the merger presenting the former name as "Time Warner" and the new name as "WarnerMedia" within the same text. Conversely, many sources that do include "Warner Media", such as this one, turn out to have a comment including "Warner Media", while the article itself actually used "WarnerMedia". Evidently, "WarnerMedia" is the proper WP:COMMONNAME for this company.
As with the previous discussion, you are trying to push your opinion without providing proof that you could be right, all while forgetting the concept of trading names. This created a WP:SNOW discussion before, and it will again. Pinging all previous contributors: @SportsFan007, Rreagan007, JWthaMajestic, DJMcNiff, BBMatBlood, 2600:1700:C960:2270:C8FD:C991:2642:D0EB, and Brainulator9. Lordtobi (✉) 13:55, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

WarnerMedia Affiliates and Advertising Sales Groups

The press release from yesterday's reorganization highlights the following:

The company will consolidate all WarnerMedia Affiliates and Advertising Sales Groups under one unified structure led by Gerhard Zeiler.

This does not, as previously assumed, mean that there is a new division by the name "Affiliates and Advertising Sales Groups", rather the opposite. The capitalization is only part of the marketing, but the sentence clearly reads that all groups regarding "affilitate and advertising sales" were consolidated into WarnerMedia. Gerhard Zeiler works directly under WarnerMedia (as CRO) where he oversees those businesses within WarnerMedia. Lordtobi (✉) 16:34, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

WarnerMedia reorganization

@Lordtobi: : "Partially restoring my summary, the previous one excludes, for example, the new "Global Kids & Young Adults" division, while incorrectly stating, for example, that the Turner channels are now part of Warner Bros., which is not the case. You are free to use the talk page to discuss."

The Global Kids & Young Adults was excluded as that is a WB division thus was mention at the WB article. Turner/TBS channels included TBS, TNT, TruTV, Turner Classic Movies, Adult Swim, Cartoon Network and Boomerang (and at times the CNN channels). Turner was split up between WB, WarnerMedia News & Sports and WarnerMedia Entertainment and Direct-to-Consumer. So, you are incorrect in stating that "HBO and Turner were combined into a new entity,.." The new entities full name per the press release is "...that Robert Greenblatt, who was most recently Chairman for NBC Entertainment, will take on the role as Chairman, WarnerMedia Entertainment and Direct-to-Consumer." The source also clear that Turner Clasic Movies nor Otter Media are a part of the WB Global Kids & Young Adults group. "Warner Bros.' film, television, and games operations will add a new Global Kids & Young Adults business that brings together the family, kids and animation efforts from across WarnerMedia, including Cartoon Network, Adult Swim and Boomerang. Additionally, Otter Media, Turner Classic Movies and all activities around licensed consumer products development for WarnerMedia properties will also reside here." The CNBC article reinforce that Otter Media and Turner Classic Movies are being transfer to WB while a Global Kids & Young Adults is being formed from the Turner kids properties lead by Cartoon Networks. The source and PR are clear that TCM and Otter are in WB but not in the Global Kids & Young Adults business. Meaning those units stack thusly (with TCM likely place in a WB group - currently unspecified):
Also, Turner Sports was moved to WarnerMedia News & Sports not WarnerMedia Entertainment like your text imply. It is against the article "The news and sports division will include CNN Worldwide (...), Turner Sports, Bleacher Report ..." Also, the WB Global Kids & Young Adults business I further detailed it under the Unit > WB subsection, which you at least look at as you edited that section (changing the source ref.name). Spshu (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
  • All new Warner Bros. channels were already mentioned, they cannot just be classified as "the Turner channels", as most Turner channels moved to WarnerMedia Entertainment (except for Cartoon Network, TCM and Turner Sports, of course). BTW, it is just "WarnerMedia Entertainment", the adjacent "Direct-to-Consumer" describes WarnerMedia's direct-to-consumer businesses, such as the yet-upcoming streaming service. Greenblatt will chair both; further down the press release, it continues "WarnerMedia Entertainment led by Bob Greenblatt will include HBO, the linear cable networks TNT, TBS and truTV, and the Direct-to-Consumer business." This is just another case where they capitalized something to read nicely to press readers. Also, if you want to discuss something, please do not just borderline revert all changes, even those outside the disputed sphere, or not revert at all per WP:STATUSQUO. I reverted all changes not part of this discussion to their stable state, let's reach a proper wording together. Lordtobi (✉) 17:28, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I did not say "the Turner channels" but "..add Turner channels,..." then listed them. Most of Turner channels did NOT move to WarnerMedia Entertainment. Turner Sports is not a channel, but a division that produces the sports that are shown on TBS and TNT. As far as "BTW, it is just 'WarnerMedia Entertainment'", I quoted the PR directly. Plus, the are not above using a clipped/short version as they refer to Jeff Zucker as "President, CNN" when the unit is fully called "CNN Worldwide". "Greenblatt will chair both; further down the press release, it continues 'WarnerMedia Entertainment led by Bob Greenblatt will include HBO, the linear cable networks TNT, TBS and truTV, and the Direct-to-Consumer business.'" So, you own quote does not indicate that he will chair both, since WarnerMedia Entertainment will contain the Direct-to-Consumer business. You are the one who wants to discuss something, ie. you want me to explain to you your clear errors.
@Lordtobi:, stop making up FALSE violation to reintroduce YOUR errors. Sorry, but your errors have been compounded. It is an error in list Warner Bros., it is a corporation thus a subsidiary and right is not a division. Why are you claim a Vlist problem? MOS:Computing error? We are not discussion software here. URL template issue seem to be your beef. There is no need for the http:, that is redundant to the url template then you add the redundant text to duplicate the url. I am not violating common name as the common name is how an article is name and any ways, I applied it to the section title. It is still WP practice to indicate to use the official name in the lead.
If the source indicates all the details then adding additional sources isn't necessary. Spshu (talk) 19:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
WP:VLIST was clearly mentioned to remove <br/> tags from the prior edit, MOS:COMPUTING concerns URL visualization, we should by default provide the full link but not show the protocol and sup-domain parts of the URL. Other than that, I cleaned up grammar and text style, and amended your text minorly (instead of just repasting my old text). Allow me to go through your summary sentence by sentence:

Under the reorganization, WarnerMedia Entertainment would be led by chair Robert Greenblatt and contain Home Box Office, TNT, TBS, TruTV and the direct to consumer service.

WarnerMedia Entertainment? What's that? It's a new entity, we should mention it. "led by chair" sounds like Greenblatt was an inanimate object, which he isn't, either say "chaired by" as it says in the source or use "chairman". "direct to consumer" should be hyphenated, maybe linked. It is also not "the" direct-to-consumer service, as there is more than one in this world.

WarnerMedia News & Sports would be led by chairman Jeff Zucker and would add to CNN Worldwide most sports units, AT&T Regional Sports Networks, Bleacher Report and Turner Sports.

Same as above, we should mention that this is a new entity. "add to CNN Worldwide most sports units" is not encyclopedic writing, and the source does not say that the "sports units" (as in channels, I assume) are added to CNN, just that all are simply under the same banner (WM N&S) now. "Regional Sports Networks" is not a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalized (the respective company is AT&T SportsNet).

Warner Bros. would add Turner channels, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, Boomerang and Turner Classic Movies plus Otter Media.

In this concatenation of items, "Turner channels" is just one of many, it is not made clear that the four succeeding items are such Turner channels, and instead it sounds as if all Turner channels were added to WB, which is not the case. "plus" should be preceeded by a comma for grammar.

Gerhard Zeiler was moved from president of Turner International to chief revenue officer of WarnerMedia, and would oversee the consolidated advertising and affiliation sales.

Again, it is not explained what "the consolidated advertising and affiliation sales" are. Specifically, the source says that the consolidation is still upcoming, and "the" is simply incorrect because there are more than WarnerMedia's in the world. Furthermore, Zeiler oversees the group, not the sales itself, that's usually what their bank does.
I fixed these issue within multiple edits, why you would completely revert anything that has been done is unclear to me. The summary currently also makes no mention of Warner Bros. Global Kids & Young Adults, which is where all the channels were moved to. If you have any specific concerns about my corrections, please bring them up individually. Just rollbacking is considered disruptive. Lordtobi (✉) 19:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
You remove NO <br/> in this edit, you removed an ubl for plainlist in the division list and remove the subsidiary (Warner Bros.) from the subsidiary field to the division field. So, you wanted a reason to have a more complicated url template set up to do the same thing and miss use MOS:COMPUTING to make the change.
chair is perfectly fine. "5. the person occupying a seat of office, especially the chairperson of a meeting: The speaker addressed the chair." OK on that WarnerMedia Entertainment being new, but you have

Under the reorganization, HBO and Turner were combined into a new entity, WarnerMedia Entertainment, which would be overseen by Robert Greenblatt as chairman. Greenblatt also oversees WarnerMedia's direct-to-consumer businesses.

This infers the largest Turner group and all of it was combine to make WarnerMedia Entertainment (WME). I used "the" because it is "the" pending WarnerMedia wide streaming service and the press release uses it as such: "...and the Direct-to-Consumer business." (And this article uses it: "...the upcoming streaming service" and you used it above: "..such as the yet-upcoming streaming service.") There is no word were the DC Universe DTC/streaming services will end up, Global Kids & Young Adults, WM Entertainment's DTC, stay in WB Digital Networks or move to DC Entertainment, etc. Nor did Turner's Cartoon Network network (group of cable channels), Turner Sports, Bleacher Reports nor Turner Classic Movies end up in WME. You are doing what you claim I am doing "... instead it sounds as if all Turner channels were added to WB.." But you a) just read TBS and TNT Turner channels being put in WME. b) It is WP MOS for a list of items in sentence to uses comma not ":". c) I did not use "all" or "the".
Zucker was already CNN president and the PR states "Jeff Zucker will continue to lead CNN and now run this expanded organization..." Thus to create WM News & Sports under Zucker units were added from Turner. The article specifics the regional sports network as "The news and sports division will include ... Turner Sports, Bleacher Report and the AT&T Regional Sports Networks, according to the release." So, you are chastising me over an alternative name, that WarnerMedia uses. No, the respective company is AT&T Sports Networks, LLC; AT&T SportNet is the common name. Bleacher Report is a sports website (with streaming service) and Turner Sports is Turners' (TBS, TNT) sports division. Thus having business units (the most generic name for business division, departments, subsidiaries, channels, networks, etc.) that are all sports related can be called "sports units" is common sense as, no, they are not all sports channels.
Lordtobi: "Again, it is not explained what "the consolidated advertising and affiliation sales" are." Neither do you. So, i drop the quote for something simpler. No, ".. not the sales itself, that's usually what their bank does." Banks do NOT do the sales for them. You have no clue how business work.
Complaints about "the" and more than WarnerMedia. The article is about WarnerMedia thus no one should assume that it has anything to do with any other WarnerMedia divisions, subsidiaries or assets.
Lordtobi: "I fixed these issue within multiple edits, why you would completely revert anything that has been done is unclear to me. ... Just rollbacking is considered disruptive." No you did not fix these issue, you rollback to your errors. To be clear your draft that you "just rollbacking" to was 95% inaccurate. You did not improve my text at all until recently. Particularly, Warner Bros. Global Kids & Young Adults in which you incorrect have Turner Classic Movies and Otter Media in that WB division. Since, Global Kids & Young Adults is within WB not what is being transferred out of Turner, I left it out to focus only on what is being transferred at the same level - 1st level units below WarnerMedia. Spshu (talk) 21:53, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
I cited WP:VLIST for edit, which clearly removed the offending content, but you then rollbacked as "see tslk page" (instead of just revrting the miniscule text part as would have been appropriate). I could have just as well cited MOS:STYLERETAIN as the template was interchanged for no reason.

Warner Bros.’ film, television, and games operations will add a new Global Kids & Young Adults business that brings together the family, kids and animation efforts from across WarnerMedia, including Cartoon Network, Adult Swim and Boomerang. Additionally, Otter Media, Turner Classic Movies and all activities around licensed consumer products development for WarnerMedia properties will also reside here.

"Here" is ambigous, as it could refer to either WB or GK&YA.
Other than that, you are purposely misunderstanding turning my arguments around, so I won't bother continuing this discussion. Good day. Lordtobi (✉) 06:11, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Sales & International

Judging from this press release and this report, is it safe to say that WarnerMedia's Sales & International division is handling Turner and HBO channels outside the United States? JSH-alive/ 18:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

WarnerMedia merge ViacomCBS

Warner merged DC, Turner and now going to merge Discovery, Inc., would the company also be able to buy out ViacomCBS from National Amusement someday? I bet they would, because this is a big reason they need to buy ViacomCBS badly.

  • Warner initially created Nickelodeon and MTV back in the late 1970s and early 1980s, before spun them off to Viacom.
  • Turner launched Cable Music Channel in 1984, before sold out to Viacom to rebrand into VH-1.
  • ViacomCBS aired Warner’s programs on their channels; Nickelodeon aired Looney Tunes (post-1948), Tiny Toons Adventures (which that show popular on the channel and its sisters during the 90s up to 2000s), Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, and films like the 2002 Scooby Doo film and recently Space Jam. Both CBS and its joint channel The CW aired DC shows.
  • Speaking of which, The CW is a joint venture of ViacomCBS and WarnerMedia.
  • Also let’s not forget that some ViacomCBS shows and films aired on WarnerMedia’s channel, e.g. Nickelodeon, TCM, MTV, etc.
  • Hanna-Barbera properties were used in Paramount Parks (now Cedar Fair) until 2006.
  • Properties which once owned by Paramount before sold out to Warner, such as the Fleischer/Famous’ Popeye and Superman cartoons, and a 1972 live-action film Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
  • In 1996, Warner Bros. produced and released MTV films through Griffin Pictures such as Joe's Apartment and Beavis and Butt-Head Do America
  • And Warner Bros. used to distribute the first and second season of South Park, not mention they co-distributed with Paramount with a 1999 film.
  • Animators, like Butch Hartman, once worked at Hanna-Barbera studio before moved to Nick.

Could you please think what else is there related to Warner with Viacom?

And what did you think? Would this possible? Why or why not?

Wiki-Ikiw (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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