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Hello and thank you for your post. I actually agree with you on the deletion of Huntington as it's not a real urban area. However you have also nominated the Cheltenham and Gloucester Article I made. That is actually a reliable article due to the close proximity of the two places. There is also a Cheltenham and Gloucester Green Belt which has shrunk. They could be classed as an urban area in the sense they are built up around each other and almost contiguous like Warwick and Leamington Spa with Whitnash or Leeds with Bradford. RailwayJG (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

population and size inquiry

Hello, I notice you seem to be of the opinion that a town with a population around 10,000 is hardly small. While the distinction between towns and villages is a bit of a grey area, that figure very much seems like a small town to me. This states "settlements with a population between 7,500 and 24,999" are small towns. I'm curious as to why you would think otherwise? Thanks for your contributions none the less. TiB chat 21:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello I'm of that opinion because certain towns are still growing and are projected to grow. To me I see a small town being under 10k. I know I put a few as town but that's due to certain ones adjoining other towns or cities and being bigger through a parish or ward of sorts. I just think small is slang or not really formal. I think to just put market minster industrial or simply town is more plural. RailwayJG (talk) 22:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

OK there is quite a bit to unpick in this statement:

Of course towns grow, content can easily be changed when it becomes outdated, there is no need to de-clarify in order to pre-empt the future.
If small towns are under 10k and large towns are over 100k then the UK would have about 30 large towns, a small number of small towns and hundreds of medium-size ones. This is not very even distribution.
I don't see how the proximity of one settlement to another would effect the descriptor used?
As the source I provided is an official parliament research briefing, small is not slang. Also a WP search for the term "small town" returns 29,168 articles , it is hard to think of a term in more common use here.
While the use of additional descriptors with small may present some difficulty (ie defining a "small market town" would need data on the range of sizes of market towns, and "small and market town" is just bad English), they are clearly not mutually exclusive. And this is bridge that can be crossed if arrived at, there is no need to go around removing the word small.

I don't feel a huge need to revert these edits, but as you did it in more than one article, I thought it necessary to advise you against. All the best.TiB chat 19:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

While I agree with you on your points... there are articles I have come across with say a 1.5k-2.5k population and they say simply a town or market town... when there is a town with 20k-25k as you mentioned and they say small town... to me if thats the case it should be included in the other towns with a smaller k population... I will give you an example... the towns in GM are classed simply as towns, suburban towns or small/mid/large towns... to me if it has a market and has a charter it is a market town... if it was full of mills and grew with mills... it is then a mill or former mill town... they are just highlighted words that describe the overall history of a town or village or city... like cathedral city, new town or university city... they are just words and names... small to me is like calling a village a hamlet or a small, large or former village... it is no issue to me certain towns are small i get that but some are even if under 25k normally called a town like Altrincham, Batley, Peninstone or even Cannock... they are not described with small just town, market or mill town...to pick fault over the removal of small to me is just if it has a market charter or had mills, collierys and plants they can pass as market, mining or mill towns... even spa and minster are mentioned as other towns... like Southwell and Dewsbury even Halifax and Blackburn...

It is rather complicated, and I can't point to a simple ruleset that would banish all disagreement. The UK geography WikiProject has guidelines on how to write about UK settlements at WP:UKCITIES, but this doesn't cover every possibility. Add to that WP articles come in a range of qualities, produced by different contributors often with their own preferred methods, making uniformity difficult. When it comes down to it, this game is about crafting accurate sentences that can be supported by the available reliable sources. I have previously tried to label Burnley (which had cotton mills, coal mines and an ancient market charter), as a market town and (at another time) a former mill town, neither survived for long. My point is simply that absent further info, 10k population is a small town. My only other advice (regarding my other edits) is that when editor reverts something you did, it doesn't necessarily mean things were perfect as was. TiB chat

I get it to me it would be concerning it it were called a small town if it was actually a large village RailwayJG (talk) 18:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Norwich

It does not say Norwich is the 2nd biggest but was up to the industrial revolution. --Kitchen Knife (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay that's fine I must have misread it thanks RailwayJG (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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I've had nothing but four different articles I've made and they are being put up for deletion non stop. Your aware Blackburn is an urban area right like Preston and Blackpool. Yet keep delete nominating. So I'm going to be nominating the Blackpool Urban Area article for deletion. No official source other than an ONS Census. No official council has adopted the monarch or name of Greater Blackpool. It's also unsourced with only stats. RailwayJG (talk) 18:28, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160115055859/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/census-2001/data-and-products/data-and-product-catalogue/reports/key-statistics-for-urban-areas-in-england-and-wales/index.html links to a list of area names (https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160129052708/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/census-2001/data-and-products/data-and-product-catalogue/reports/key-statistics-for-urban-areas-in-england-and-wales/list-of-urban-area-names-and-codes.xls), which includes Blackburn/Darwen (D31200), Blackburn (D31201) and Darwen (D31202), but only Blackburn/Darwen is an urban area (code ending 00), the others are its subdivisions. It may include areas outside the borough's boundaries, but unless there is a major change to the definition recently, some of the places mentioned in the article are in separate urban areas. Wellingborough and Kettering Urban Area seems to be a combination of separate areas. Chester Urban Area exists, but the population is 79,645 according to http://chawrec.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/BME-Mapping-Report-Complete.pdf not 241,093 as in the article, for which there appears to be no reference (it isn't in the list of areas above 100,000 at List of urban areas in the United Kingdom). Peter James (talk) 22:53, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Blackpool Urban Area

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That's fine thank you for your support there. Moment of rage lol but didn't offend no one. Thanks RailwayJG (talk) 18:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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Okay will do thank you RailwayJG (talk) 19:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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I thought people were not allowed to own articles? Seems Rochester, Gillingham and any medway articles including Burnley are owned by certain contributors. RailwayJG (talk) 14:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Ownership_of_content

In a nutshell... RailwayJG (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Nottinghamshire table

The table you added to Nottinghamshire could do with a bit of work. Each area seems to have four or five 'main settlements'.

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That's no problem thank you for doing that. I always feel tables help identify the larger settlements of Nottinghamshire. Thank you kindly anyway RailwayJG (talk) 08:13, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Er, yes, but you created a column for 'Other towns, villages and settlements', and it's empty; those extra links in the 'main settlement' column only need to be shifted one cell over. Until you do, the table's unfinished.

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Hmm

I'll show you how to format don't go away. I did back on my page now. RailwayJG (talk) 14:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hey at least it adds a little more content to a really nice part of UK. Didn't know which part you lived lol. -RailwayJG 00:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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Grimsby lead

I think this reads very well now, thank you. I expect someone has mentioned already that the lead (first paragraph usually) of a page should sum up its content concisely, so that readers know what page they're on. All the information in it will be repeated and expanded later in the article. Some will appear in the Infobox too. Anyway, that's why "English" had to stay in the Grimsby lead. I'm glad you've joined us and I see you're active on quite a lot of pages. Hope you keep it up. Best, Brian. Bmcln1 (talk) 20:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bmcln1, that's no worries. I was not attacking you at all. I just did not understand the need for English. After that, I just thought you put English and the word large is subjective even though it has a population of 88k plus. Large mostly subjective and the new lead is better. Nearly five words for the lead is annoying. Keep it short is what I say like Large Market Town or English Coastal Town. No need for like for example:

Large market, seaside, adminstrative and community town. Like with Aberywsytwyth. I had to trim it down to something simple.

Yes, on the whole simplicity works out best. It's more readable for one thing. Bmcln1 (talk) 21:18, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

It does and I agree there with you

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Hi Devokewater will do thanks RailwayJG (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Verney Junction

Yes, its not exactly Corrour, is it? :-) --John Maynard Friedman (talk)`

Not particularly lol. Wasn't arguing it just thought I'd point out two more in isolated areas RailwayJG (talk) 13:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Telford urban area

You may notice that I moved this article from Telford Urban Area to Telford urban area per house style, see MOS:CAPS.

I saw you got a hard time about citations but I think you have overcompensated! I think you could do some pruning now. Most importantly, the map given on the citation I added for the 2011 population is the official definition of the urban area (2001 term) or built-up area (2011 term), according to the Office for National Statistics. So any citation that says anything different is either out of date or winging it. I don't know anything about Telford apart from that many of the people from TDC ended up at MKDC, so best I leave you to it.

BTW, Milton Keynes urban area is mostly my work so if you spot anything odd, feel free to edit or let me know. Best wishes. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi that's no problem 😊 thank you for your input RailwayJG (talk) 22:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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Salford a City

I am really really confused by your edit. Your saying Salford is a city and has been since since 1924. Yet Salford page is just district and a city. Yet the wider borough is a city. If that's the case shouldn't Salford say city or main city district as just saying district makes zero sense. Especially given it is a city as you say. How can it be a district and city? You don't see Wakefield or Leeds the main pages saying district they say city. Salford being called district but not a city makes zero sense. RailwayJG (talk) 00:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

First I made a typo, was 1926 not 1924, but anyway Salford (population 103,000) is both a city and district of the City of Salford (population 258,000), the other districts are Eccles, Worsley, Irlam and Cadishead, and Swinton and Pendlebury its not that confusing. The County Borough of Salford was granted city status in 1926 in 1961 a part of Eccles was added to the city, when the Metropolitan counties were created in 1974 the former County Borough of Salford was expanded to take in many other towns and the city status was expanded to cover the whole City of Salford borough of Greater Manchester. If your confused your probably best looking at the city of Stoke-On-Trent, the city if made up of six towns: Tunstall, Burslem, Hanley, Stoke, Fenton and Longton and the City Centre is actually in Hanley not Stoke. Or the City of London which is both a tiny district of the City of London and a city in its own right. WatcherZero (talk) 01:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Yea that makes more sense thank you for the clarity. Was confused by it RailwayJG (talk) 02:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Willbb234, thanks for your reply. Could I suggest that instead of merging it. Maybe instead link the page of Grimsby to this as it would help to give a more formal look at the whole urban area. I think to just merge it might cause it to be a bit confusing as the already established population of Grimsby and Cleethorpes. Could cause a bit of confusion and not likely mention the villages linked to the urban area. I think keeping it separate would be a better idea and just link it in the lead? That is what I think might be better. As the page gives more in depth detail into the urban area then a small mention on the page for Grimsby?

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RailwayJG, 22:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

As the name suggests, the subject of the article is only a part of Grimsby, and not an outright area itself. Therefore, it should be merged? Regards, Willbb234 (please {{ping}} me in replies) 23:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be. As I think there are plenty of articles such as the Telford urban area which although is named after Telford. Still covers the whole suburban towns of the borough and other towns like Broseley, Shifnal and Newport which aside from Newport are not part of Telford. But it still is its own article and covers a wide range of things. If that can remain its own article, why not Grimsby built up area?

RailwayJG, 23:36, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Plus take into account the overall gender, ethnic, religious and areas associated with the whole urban area? I would only be happy to have this merged as long as each of the places in the area have a single part of their pages maybe a tab or so with all the information associated with the article. But if not, I would rather it be left alone as is. As the area does exist and is worth mentioning. Especially given areas like Telford, Blackpool and Chesterfield have their own urban area pages.

@Willbb234:, in support of RailwayJG's response, perhaps it would help to quote from the lead of Milton Keynes urban area:

The Milton Keynes urban area or Milton Keynes Built-up Area is a designation established by the United Kingdom's Office for National Statistics. As with other urban areas, it includes settlements that are physically contiguous with the rest of the built up area but, for historical reasons, regard themselves as being outside of the principal settlement: this urban area includes Newport Pagnell and Woburn Sands.

and from the Newport Pagnell article:

Newport Pagnell is a town in the Borough of Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, England. The Office for National Statistics records Newport Pagnell as part of the Milton Keynes urban area. It is separated from the rest of the urban area by the M1 motorway, on which Newport Pagnell Services (the second service station to be opened in the UK) is located.

It really does save a lot of silly edit wars to have these separate short "Built-up area" articles: let me emphasise again the phrase it includes settlements that are physically contiguous with the rest of the built up area but, for historical reasons, regard themselves as being outside of the principal settlement, for a significant proportion of the people from these contiguous towns and villages that are being swept up by the expansion of the main setlement, it becomes an article of faith to assert their difference. I picked the example of Newport Pagnell because that opening line took years to hammer out a version that most people could live with, though it still gets hacked occasionally. It would be unconscionable to include it in the main Milton Keynes article. Town and city boundaries were last drawn about 50 years ago and no government since has been sufficiently foolhardy to revisit the question. The fact that the ONS has distinct "built-up area" and "built-up sub-area" pages on their website (via NOMIS) suggest that they have the same issue and the same solution. So long as the ONS defines an urban area (built-up area) with distinct sub-areas, that makes it notable enough because a WP:RS (the ONS) says it is. And it is reported in the local papers when the census is reported (or rather, it wss last time. Whether we will have any local papers left to report the 2021 census has to be doubtful). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 00:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

References

^ UK Census (2011). "Local Area Report – Milton Keynes Built-up area (E34005056)". Nomis. Office for National Statistics. Retrieved 29 March 2019.
Parishes in Milton Keynes Archived 8 June 2009 at the Wayback Machine – Milton Keynes Council.
See map at UK Census (2011). "Local Area Report – Milton Keynes built-up area (E34005056)". Nomis. Office for National Statistics. Retrieved 3 August 2020.

Thank you John appreciate your response and backing regards

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Hi there can I ask which article and edit your referencing please. Regards RailwayJG (talk) 07:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

There are quite a few of them, which is why I didn't link to a specific article or edit. Examples: Here, for example, you removed the population numbers and a reference. This adds buildings and claims that they are listed. This changes a place from a village to a town and adds a reference. Here you post to a talk page. None of those could be considered 'superficial' or reverting obvious vandalism. They change meanings and content, and thus are not minor. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 02:02, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi that is fine although could you switch them round to delete the Pinxton and Selston page and merge it into the name Pinxton and Selston railway station please as to avoid possible confusion. Cheers

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There are a series of persistent IP users who go around removing content from Merseyside articles usually trying to obscure various county / borough information. I must have missed their last purge. Cheers for catching that. Koncorde (talk) 12:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

It's okay just looked and it was missing thought hang on it should a lead and the county it belongs to. Get them unfortunately ip vandals. RailwayJG (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

As you have noticed, the IP is back again. Might need another temp page protection. Koncorde (talk) 19:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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I just found you've made a load of new articles on urban areas. I've been adding them to the Urban areas of England category and linking them here List of urban areas in the United Kingdom. I have done, Barnsley/Dearne Valley Built-up area, Grimsby built-up area, Lancaster/Morecambe Built-up area, Accrington/Rossendale Built-up area, Harrogate Built-up area, Telford urban area and Macclesfield Built-up area. Are there any I have missed? Eopsid (talk) 17:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Eopsid being meaning to get round to linking them but forgotten to... RailwayJG (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Break from editing railway tabs in town articles.

Just letting editors know I am taking a small break from adding railway stations to town articles as the last few times. They were reverted and I don't look for arguments. Guess class of views with editing. Anyway, I am just focusing on creating other useful articles as I did with M.A.S.S Builder and Override Mech City Brawl. As well as some village and railway articles. So this is my two week break from any previous edits like with Kirkby-in-Ashfield and Sutton-in-Ashfield. RailwayJG (talk) 23:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hi RailwayJG, after seeing your post at AN/I I looked at your user page and that led me to your station articles, 2 of which I've just worked on. I am worried about Claughton railway station, because only one of the references you provided seems to mention the station; I couldn't even find it peering at the map of the lines. And I couldn't find it on Disused Stations. So I commented out the 2 references that didn't seem to apply, but I have to ask, where did you get the information about when services ended? Simply from when the line closed? That station could have closed earlier. We are not supposed to stray from what is actually in sources; that comes under original research. But I did use the map at Railscot to get the coordinates from Google maps, since the maps count as reliable sources.

Both there and at Hollin Well and Annesley railway station, which I went to first from your user page and was one of your first articles, you have the references inside "ref" tags but you've put them under the References subheading. That doesn't work, because what the ref tags do is create footnotes and so the references have to be placed in the text where you want the footnote numbers to appear. You can also use a "named reference" to have the same footnote appear in 2 places, referencing 2 different pieces of information. Have a look at the ref tags in my changes to the article. I also identified the references; you have been using just the bare links. That's helpful for the reader, but inserting the footnotes so it's clear where you got what information is more important. I see that in some of your articles, other editors have come by and fixed both issues, but it doesn't seem that anyone has pointed out to you what you should be doing.

I hope this was a bit of help. Thanks for the articles! Yngvadottir (talk) 20:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Yngvadottir, thank you for your message and I did look up other articles online there was some on Derbyshire railways and the peak district history. I found ones with coal mines and apparently disused stations site mentioned the station at Claughton and further ones on articles on the Cromford and High Peak Railway. Railscot as you mentioned. I try not to do original research. I use all the sources I can find online and any reliable ones which are covered by historical references. I will bear in mind the further things you said though. Thank you. RailwayJG (talk) 23:15, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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Some edits seem to love getting personal with me and my edits and suggestions. I'll stop contributing I guess... RailwayJG (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry that what I wrote in the edit summary was unnecessarily harsh or even rude. Please accept my apologies. There's nothing personal. However, it is fair to say that you did cause the text to become "jumbled up", as I put it. The part about Holyhead being in Wales and a major ferry port was moved to a place where it made no sense with the adjacent text. That is presumably why your edit was reverted the first time. Dubmill (talk) 16:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dubmill no problem apology accepted. Just misinterpreted your edit as I tend to do with some other editors so no worries. Yes it seemed jumbled up as you put it. I just think too much repeating in a heading is pointless and I only look to simplify the important parts of it. Sometimes simplifying can work and sometimes it can't. Anyway no worries. Apology accepted. RailwayJG (talk) 23:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

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I left city on Salford but it got removed by other editors and replaced with district. Town is a more formal way as is the same with Stoke on Trent. Its made up of six towns with one article for the wider city and others for the towns that form it. Salford is a former hundred of salfordshire in Lancashire. And the borough got city status but not Salford itself. Its similar to Stoke got city status but not Stoke upon Trent the main town it's named after. Manchester has always been a city as no towns were merged to form it. Manchester was one town and a growing large mill and industrial town. So Manchester can boast a city status. Salford cannot as it applies to the borough and not Salford exclusively. RailwayJG (talk) 08:11, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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It's big for a village I'll grant you, but who calls it a town? You really do need reliable sources, that's basic policy, and I'd be surprised if they exist. Doug Weller talk 20:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

The article you have Nominated is actually sourced as Nomis is a reliable source. I have asked two other editors to take time to input who were involved in the WikiGeography discussion to give some more input on it. RailwayJG (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry but do they actually call it Alfreton/South Normanton built up area? Because I couldn't source that term. Doug Weller talk 20:52, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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Just following up on your post at the Teahouse. You were right - my amazement and sarcasm - having seen the edits your were asking about - did lead me to to go too far and I'd like to repeat my apology for coming across as rude and/or insulting to you. We all of us make bigger and smaller contributions here (I hadn't checked your other contributions, either). Some of our edits others inevitably regard as valuable - and 'thankworthy', whilst others are deemed quite unnecessary. My view on the pointlessness and irrelevancy of those particular edit still stands, but it was not fair of me to denigrate your contributions or how you spend your time. Sorry again, Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Apology accepted...thank you...RailwayJG (talk) 22:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

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I did not disrupt anything so please don't come on here and accuse me...I think if it is unsourced why is it still aloud on the page...and to accuse me of making a point is no way correct...RailwayJG (talk) 22:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I have also redited the page as there is no reference in anything said and how does tagging work? Is that to be posted on a forum etc?...RailwayJG (talk) 22:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

This Misplaced Pages:Citation needed explains how you can add tags to unsourced content. This is an example Eopsid (talk) 16:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Beyon the Ken appreciate your feedback and post. I feel sometimes too a popular culture mention or two never hurts RailwayJG (talk) 01:06, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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It wasn't meant to be like that sorry my condition always seems to make me look like a bad editor when I don't mean to. I don't do these things intentionally RailwayJG (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

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See Talk:Talgarth railway station for more. PamD 08:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Your editing

That's twice now that I've pointed out that you have taken other editors' work unacknowledged. The messy state of Talgarth as you left it makes me wonder whether you understand the importance of the encyclopedia. You need to verify your sources - you cited as a source for the number of platforms a reference which (a) was a dead link which someone else had retrieved 4 years ago, and (b) doesn't mention Talgarth even when found at a new URL. Please stop editing so carelessly: we need to have accurate information appropriately sourced and properly displayed. I am wondering whether your editing is an asset to the encyclopedia.

Please do not copy other editors' work. Please check all references yourself. Please make sure that the article looks good (or at least acceptable) when you leave it.

If you are looking for a project, can I suggest that you go back to the four railway station articles you list on your user page, which you created a year ago, and sort them out now that you have been around long enough to know more about inline references etc. Perhaps you created other articles around the same time which also need improvement. But please stop plagiarising and adding unchecked "sources" as you have been doing.

I know you say you have "a condition", and I apologise if I am upsetting you, but if you cannot operate within Misplaced Pages's rules it may be that editing Misplaced Pages is not the right hobby for you despite your enthusiasm. Please consider this as a warning: your editing could be considered disruptive. PamD 08:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

June 2021

Hello, I'm PamD. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Talgarth railway station, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. See above and Talk:Talgarth railway station. This is a formal level 1 warning for the record, in case it is necessary to take this further. PamD 08:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)