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Updating
I can understand the temptation to update this page with every CMW start, but a good player page should give an overview and highlights, not a play-by-play of a guy's career. I suggest removing the mention of Wang's most recent start. The complete game shutout was a milestone, but the August 2 start wasn't an historic moment in Wang's career. These pages could get very cluttered and dense if every player bio gets updated after every start. We can just add links to game log databases like Yahoo for that kind of minutia.
Agreed.
Excessive Vandalism from User:205.188.116.13
I reviewed the editing history in this article, and I found multiple edits of vandalism by an anonymous user identified with its user IP 205.188.116.13. The last warning on his vandalization was August 2nd, 2006, yet he chose to disregard the warning and continue to vandalize the article. A block should be implemented upon the user for excessive attempt of vandalization. --Vic226 01:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Complete Game or Not?
"He recorded his first complete game on June 18, 2006 against the Washington Nationals, but it was a bittersweet accomplishment as he allowed a 1-out, 2-run, walk-off home run by Ryan Zimmerman to lose the game 3-2."
To be technical, Wang only pitched 8 1/3 (or, in baseball calculation, 8.1) innings when he allowed the 2-run walk-off home run by Zimmerman. I'm skeptical that this was still counted as a complete game, as I recognize the definition of complete game as pitching a minimum of 27 outs, 9 innings, by the starting pitcher. --Vic226 01:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- what are you talking about?? a complete game is a complete game which by one of the many definition is "A statistic credited to a pitcher who pitches an entire game without relief" and it also says that a complete game can either be a win or a loss. where do you get the definition of "27 outs" ??? so, if the visitor pitcher has a no-hitter but loses the game (someone makes an error and then the runner ends up scoring) how do you want him to get the other 3 outs??? he would still be credited with a complete game no-hitter because a pitched for the WHOLE GAME, which in his case was 24 outs. In Wang's case he pitched 8 1/3 innings, and he pitched the WHOLE GAME, so how isnt't that a "complete game" Don't assume things, look things up, this is not the first time this is happen so you should be "skeptical" that all those games are call complete games. I don't get what your skeptism has to do in the "Chien-Ming Wang Discussion Page" seriously, i don't get it. --CesarCossio 07:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- oh, and by the way, please learn to quote things, don't just "copy and paste" things from the article. worst, you didn't even put quotation marks. --CesarCossio 07:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- OK, forgive me for being such a reckless Wikipedian rookie. That is if my ignorant skepticism had made you so mad like this at any point. However, to be honest, I couldn't see any reason for you to shout at me as if I have previous convictions for making stupid comments before checking. --Vic226 14:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Also, I have never intended to start any verbal argument like this. No, I did not expect that everyone in here is nice, but what I could see so far is that most of them are. It must be rare to meet someone like you. --Vic226 14:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- dude, i didn't get mad, why in the world would i get mad over something like this? If you feel offended in any way well, i can't do anything about that and i don't understand how you got the impression that 1. i got mad and 2. that i "shout at you". I was just explaining what a complete game was and giving examples and asking a question, then i went on and asked you to look things up BEFORE you write about something that you are not sure 'cause like i said that wasnt the first time this has happen. I don't get your skepticism, that's it, i don't get why would anyone be skeptical about that and i don't get why would you put that in here? why not going to the "Complte Game" article and say what you think there since that would make 100% sense but Chien-Ming Wang article?? This talk page should be about HIM and things that would make the article better not about what a complete game is or should be and as i said before i can't make you think i'm nice, if you think i'm "not nice" just because i gave you an answer then okay, whatever. --CesarCossio 19:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think he meant perfect game in his question. --Borgarde 16:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Watch for Soliciting Web Links
I've removed several links to 1) Personal website claiming to be the "official site", 2) Touring agency website. We should restrict the links to MLB, ESPN, reputable news media, and sports-statistics sites. Please watch. Kenimaru 02:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- As stated in talk, Nlu has requested that I start a discussion here to discuss the validity of placing http://www.chien-ming.com/ in the external links of this wiki page. It also appears in the Chinese language wiki for CM Wang.
- I look forward to constructive criticism, and as I am new to the community, explanations would be greatly appreciated! Lawrenceku 03:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- No offense intended, but the addition of your site would, I believe, violate WP:EL's guideline that one should not add a site that one is affiliated with (#3) and a link that is intended to promote a site (#4). I do not believe it to be appropriate. Although, of course, I'd like to hear what other people think. --Nlu (talk) 04:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that the only violation, if there is any, would be #4, as I am not affiliated with that website in any way. Lawrenceku 18:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
- I would rather object the adding of the site to the article, as it appears to be very likely a blog/fan site in general. For one, the news section merely acts as a portal to other news sites. Just because the Chinese Wiki (or Wiki of any language, in general) has the link does not make it automatically qualified as an external link. Vic226 03:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Birthplace
Can someone please point to one official MLB website, publication or sports network that lists Wang as being born anyplace other than Taiwan? If you don't have a source, please stop trying to shoehorn in Republic of China. Remember that as per WP:BLP, unsourced information, including original research, in biographies of living people should be removed aggressively. Additionally, as per WP:VERIFY, the threshold for inclusion of information into Misplaced Pages is verifiability - not truth. The following reliable sources list Wang as being born in Taiwan: ,, , , - and that's barely scratching the surface. Yankees76 14:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
How hard is it to grasp a little history? Taiwan has been a part of the Republic of China from 1945, how's that original research? It's not even a stretch to say that Chen was born in the ROC. His passport is embroidered "Republic of China", believe it or not. His Identity Card also says "Republic of China," just like everybody else who were born and have residency in Taiwan. To me it seems ridiculous to be requested to find some site that says he's born in place "other than" Taiwan? Unlike mainland Chinese media, we're not saying he was born in China or the PRC or anywhere else. It's like going great lengths trying to find a biography that states Bono from U2 was born in any place other than Ireland when someone tries to "shoehorn" that he was born in the "Republic of Ireland". This is pretty much all I have to say about the matter. BlueShirts 19:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Nice strawman argument, but I still don't see a source. I've already posted five that say Taiwan and not Republic of China. How hard is it to find a source and simply post it? Surely if you're correct there must be hundreds of sources that say Republic of China. But, just for fun, here are 3 more that say Taiwan. Yankees76 22:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- First of all, yankees.com says he's from Taiwan. If you still think he is from the ROC, then I have more reasons:
- ROC is known as Taiwan, we should always use the common name in Misplaced Pages.
- He was born on the island of Taiwan, that is a fact.
- He identifies himself as a Taiwanese.
- Using ROC would be confusing.--Jerrypp772000 23:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Jerry, do you ADMIT that Wang is a citizen of the Republic of China? Do you admit that since 1945, Taiwan has been a part of the ROC? I do not understand why it is so hard for yankee to grasp this concept. Even Jerry admits these things. This is the real truth. I cannot believe why yankee cannot understand this simple history. -Nationalist 04:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- Stop adding Republic of China. Taiwan is the common name and should stay as that. --Borgarde 04:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- I can't figure out why this editor refuses to supply one source that says Wang is from the Republic of China. I've supplied 8 that say Taiwan. www.gio.gov.tw, www.president.gov.tw do not even mention anything about Wang! How hard is it to find one source if you're correct? 8 reliable sources say Taiwan. See WP:VERIFY. Yankees76 04:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- One of the links he gives actually contradicts his point. See this article: . The president calls him "The pride of Taiwan" - Mattingly23 05:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)'
- I can't figure out why this editor refuses to supply one source that says Wang is from the Republic of China. I've supplied 8 that say Taiwan. www.gio.gov.tw, www.president.gov.tw do not even mention anything about Wang! How hard is it to find one source if you're correct? 8 reliable sources say Taiwan. See WP:VERIFY. Yankees76 04:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
All of the links I give show that the Republic of China is in fact the government that controls Taiwan. -Nationalist 00:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't show that Chien-Ming Wang was born there. Which is why Taiwan (see 8 verifiable sources above) is the correct answer. Give WP:VERIFY a spin and you'll see why. Yankees76 03:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You guys are ridiculous. How hard is to grasp that all of Taiwan island and province, Tainan city included, is under the current jurisdiction of a government officially called the "Republic of China." If the American educational system had any success imparting any knowledge of world politics, this would not even be a fact need verifying. It's like saying Wang is born in Taiwan but demanding others verify that he was born on planet Earth (what if he was born on Mars?) and being unsatisfied that no source is declaring that Wang was born on Earth...This is obvious folks.
But besides that, is "Republic of China" really necessary here? T. J. Beam for example lists Scottsdale, Arizona as the birthplace, not Scottsdale, Arizona, United States.--Jiang 04:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Post a source. How hard is it? Seems that if every major entity related to Major League Baseball, the New York Yankees and sports broadcasting says one thing, then it's probably a smart move that Misplaced Pages follow suit. They should make a policy for that. Wait! They already did. Yankees76 04:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Souce to verify what? It's already been verified that Wang was born in Tainan.--Jiang 04:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- See discussion above. 04:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Two verified facts: 1) Wang Chien-ming was born in Tainan. 2) Tainan is a city administered by a government called the Republic of China. Connect the dots. What more do you want? --Jiang 04:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- That's called original research. A verfied fact would be ESPN or MLB.com saying Wang was born in Tainan, Republic of China. It does not, it says Tainan, Taiwan. Again, "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Misplaced Pages has already been published by a reliable source. Yankees76 04:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow Yankee and others are acting very silly. They actually do not understand the situation, nor can they bother to listen to Jiang, Blue Shirts, and me, nor can they connect the dots either. It is simply absurd what they are arguing, and calling others strawman arguments. Jiang definitely knows more than you Yankee. He is an admin. -Nationalist 04:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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