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I don't know what's common practice but putting an incidental sidebar (with a bad reputation) at the very top can be a bad first impression overriding the body of articles. The Bertrand Russel quote, "... we must either succeed in producing living matter artificially, or we must find the reasons why this is impossible" establishes there is science/philosophy here even today, and that dismissing it looks like premature triumphalism, which is maybe the overriding tone of this article as it stands --184.21.192.44 (talk) 04:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

So, you want one sentence by Russell and your own conclusions from it to be the ultimate arbiter. But that that is not how Misplaced Pages works. Our arbiter is the totality of reliable sources, and they regard vitalism as a relic which is only taken seriously by quacks and religious nuts nowadays. Alternative medicine is its place now, whether you like it or not. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

You misunderstand. It's a philosophical postulate, or scientific hypothesis, which would be relevant to science if there were any practical way to demonstrate anything about it (like so many things) one way or other ... or if it would make any difference, much like the question of free will. The only interesting thing about it is whether or not it would work to build an animal with no living materials, from scratch, and see if it comes to life or not. Whether such a creature is conscious can't be found out because there's no objective criteria, but whether or not it can be made is an open question until technology reaches that point, and it would remain a baffling conundrum if it turned out to be beyond the reach of technology, but you can't simply pronounce something is the case because "you want it to be the case" without any evidence. That's not how science or philosophy works, which is what that BR quote is about --75.106.108.191 (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

After two sentences, I got too bored to continue reading. But I forced myself, and should not have, because it got even more boring.

Misplaced Pages is not interested in your thoughts, only in reliable sources that actually talk about the subject of the article. Read WP:SOAPBOX, then WP:RS. --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

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-Guy Macon (talk) 00:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)