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Suggestion for one of the missing citations

I would suggest using the following citation for the aftermath section of this article: Yaqub, Salim. Containing Arab Nationalism: The Eisenhower Doctrine and the Middle East. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2004.

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Hungary

Please change "and the Soviet Union may have been emboldened to invade Hungary" to ". The US's opposition to the attack on Egypt may have emboldened the Soviet Union to invade Hungary" I requested this a month ago but my comment in the Talk section was deleted. --Bacon Man (talk) 11:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Egypt and Israel

I have several issues with this version of the Egypt and Israel section:

The entire first paragraph is still WP:SYNTH. As far as I can tell, none of the sources present the complaint that cargo shipments to and from Israel had been subject to Egyptian authorisation, search and seizure while attempting to pass through the Suez Canal as a reason for the the war; the sources present present it as its own legal or territorial dispute. Yet it's presented as if it was a major cause, taking up half the paragraph. We would need a source directly stating that in order to include it there at all to avoid WP:OR. Neither of the sources in the second paragraph (which discuss the war) mention it at all; one of the new sources notes that shipping to Israel was shut down as a result of the war, but studiously doesn't list it as a cause.
Stating that In late 1954, Nasser began a policy of sponsoring raids into Israel by the fedayeen, who almost always attacked civilians misuses and misstates the source. The source says that Nasser allowed the raids rather than sponsoring them; makes it clear he had previously opposed them, says that he changed directions after an unprovoked attack by Sharon; and makes it clear that a major contribution factor to tensions was Sharon's... here, I'm going to quote the source directly from a page earlier: "Generally the first years after statehood were quiet, until Ariel Sharon was given free rein. Sharon's ferocious attacks, almost all against civilians, had a profound psychological effect on both sides. His group was ruthless, racist, and arrogant, and they created or invented provocations in order to go into action." It does says that the fedayeen's attacks were also almost all against civilians, but it specifically draws a connection with Sharon's attacks, so it's misusing the source to state one and not the other; and that wording is WP:SYNTHy in that it both directly blames Nasser alone for it and it presents it as one of the primary reasons for the war, neither of which are stated in the source (again, it is mentioned only in passing and directly as comparison to Sharon's own attacks on civilians.) I'm not saying we should go into that entire back-and-forth (going down that road we would end up summarizing the entire history of Israel in that section), but at the very least pulling out only one side of it is misusing the source.
Almost none of the statements cited to Vatikiotis are supported by it. It talks largely about the practical reasons Nasser's position on Israel changed and very little about his desires to "win laurals" or the like; in fact, it specifically dismisses the argument that his reasons were irrational, and states that the main cause was that, in 1955, he came to see Israel more and more as a a serious threat to Egypt's projected economic and political role in the region.

Rather than turn the section into a litany of grievances between Egypt and Israel (let alone a one-sided litany as it was before), we should pare it down to the barest, most dry facts that are directly supported by the sources. At least according to the source we're currently using, that means that the key point is that Nasser's policy towards Israel changed dramatically after Sharon's 1955 attack. If we want to state something else (especially if we want to state that Egyptian control over the canal was a contributing factor), we need more or different sources. --Aquillion (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sokuya: you have crossed 1RR. Please self revert, and then discuss here. Perhaps you can start by addressing Aquillion’s comments here which relate to the text that you have been trying to add in. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

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