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David Welcome to Wiki, Your Patience and attitude is great.

Sorry you have been bit so hard by some of the editors. Some have abused you and clearly violated wikis rule of conduct. It is unfortunate that many who do this know better. Below is a post by a self described New Age editor with a bias against you. I verbally censured him on his talk page and you could bring his intolerant comments to an administrator for guidance on how to address his behavior. I am somewhat new also but know his stereotype is not tolerated on Wiki.

For a Bible thumper it may be very difficult to understand that the Bible is not wholly and objectively true. But as long as he keeps his faith in the infallibility of the Bible completely separate from his Misplaced Pages activities, he could be a good editor. Some years ago I did not know that one has to use reliable sources in order to edit Misplaced Pages, but when asked to consider it, I understood this is required from everybody and I complied with this request. For me, the decision was between complying and continuing to edit and quitting in protest; I was not willing to create problems through my edits. This does not imply that I lost faith in the truth of my contributions, but I have understood that they are required to be encyclopedically verifiable. And verifiable means having reliable sources.

Re. Message

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Anupmehra's talk page.

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Could you take a look at Maimonides talk

Hey David, it seems you are knowledgeable about Maimonides. Can you take a look and give your views? Thanks!155.246.151.38 (talk) 16:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Canvassing at Silwan

You are in clear breach of WP:CANVASS and in particular, the section Inappropriate notification Selfstudier (talk) 18:35, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Idk if this was the last word on your tban. If it was, it seems you are in breach of that, too.Selfstudier (talk) 19:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Looks like your days in this topic area are done, David. I'm a little stunned, tbh, at the flagrant nature of the violation. Contacting only like-minded editors? Contacting anyone en masse? Perplexing, truly. El_C 19:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
@El C:. If I request a comment, without telling a person what he or she should actually say, is that canvassing? If so, I was unaware of that. I am giving an individual the complete freedom to make his or her choice, without telling them what to do. Besides, we're talking here about a historical/biblical site with absolutely nothing to do with the I/P conflict.Davidbena (talk) 19:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Look, David, if you want me to do you a favour and sanction you directly, I can help you with that. If you'd rather go through the noticeboard complaint gauntlet that your opponents are almost certain to file and are almost certain to preserve in, I'm okay with that, as well. But if you were to choose the former, I'd need to know what previously-rescinded sanctions I'd be reinstating, so I know what to write in the log. Because I'm not that familiar with your editing history, so I'm a bit in the dark there. El_C 19:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
If I have been guilty of canvassing, I'm sorry and I will not repeat it. If you wish to punish me for that, I will be content with a one-month ban from editing anything on Misplaced Pages. I think that I have learnt my lesson and will not repeat it. I honestly thought that the proscription of canvassing referred to when I ask someone what he or she should write.Davidbena (talk) 19:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I'll leave you to it, then, David. El_C 20:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

David, you don't have to tell editors what to write in order for it to be canvassing. The most common type of canvassing is to preferentially notify those editors who you think are likely to support your own view. Whenever you individually notify a bunch of editors, your choice of editors is going to be scritinised for signs of bias and getting into trouble will be very easy. So it is best to not do that at all. Instead post a neutral message on all the relevant noticeboards. Zero 03:14, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I see. I honestly did not know that, but now that I know it, I will not do that again. Thanks, Zero0000. ----- Davidbena (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

You did not reply above when I asked you about the tban, this one. When I asked you before whether you were tbanned you said "I am permitted to make edits on all Misplaced Pages pages. And, it is without question that Misplaced Pages articles ought to be based on reliable, non-POV sources.". So what is the situation?Selfstudier (talk) 09:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Once again, I reiterate, I am free to make edits on all Misplaced Pages pages, including those with the I/P tag, and I can assure you that I have not breached any imposed topic ban. Be well.Davidbena (talk) 14:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Is the tban I have mentioned in force or not? Selfstudier (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Again, with all due respect, I have not breached any imposed topic ban. Be well.Davidbena (talk) 20:52, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Then it is your position that your editing and participation in formal discussions at the City of David article and now in formal discussion about a merge at the Silwan article (where in addition you improperly canvassed other users)does not breach the tban? Is that right? Selfstudier (talk) 21:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
As an editor who has been active on promoting accurate coverage of biblical sites on Misplaced Pages, among other subjects of universal interest, and seeing that the article King's Garden (Jerusalem) is one of those important biblical sites, with a viable and notable history of its own, I strongly opposed any merger with Silwan, for the reasons given in the Merge Request. My mistake was to seek a broader feedback from other editors about either the necessity of a merge, or else its redundancy and inessentiality, which I have since rescinded. It is important to recognize one's mistakes and to move forward. And if you happen to be wondering, let me say for the record that I respect all peoples who live in this country and I have no wish whatsoever to bring politics into my edits, as I am fully aware that all peoples, nations and ethnicities (whether Jew, Muslim or Christian) have their special place and role in this society.Davidbena (talk) 22:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps I can jog your memory Canvassing clearly explained to you and you promising not to do it again and there have been other instances since. And in the matter of City of David (and the indirectly connected Silwan/King's Garden) it is hard to imagine a more indicated case where "...pre-modern Levantine history and modern Levantine politics are inextricably linked" or "geographical features of the Levant (but not geopolitical features such as borders, landmarks, or territories under dispute)" is not applicable (the quotes are from the tban close). I do admit that I accepted your response that you were allowed to edit anywhere as meaning there was no tban in place, my fault for failing to check that until just recently.Selfstudier (talk) 10:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess you can say that what misled me was the editor's words: "While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view." (I think that I actually kept everything quite neutral). Be well.Davidbena (talk) 21:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
  • David, thinking it's okay to just inform like-minded editors of a dispute is both highly partisan and a major WP:CIR problem. Personally, I don't understand why Zero is coddling you above. But, whatever, if the other camp will have you, then... okay. Kinder times, perhaps? Again, myself, I feel that a violation this flagrantly partisan warrants reinstating all the bans again, but I won't press the matter further beyond noting that here. I suppose we can hope that lessons learned, as obvious as these ought to have been from the outset. El_C 10:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
@El C: I've never considered David to be in the "other camp" from myself. Sure, we disagree often enough but David has always shown integrity in his disagreements. That makes him someone I can work with. Zero 11:53, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Good luck to you all. Note that in future, I'd rather not be pinged or otherwise personally alerted to ARBPIA or ARBPIA-esque disputes unprompted. Thanks. El_C 13:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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