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- Nationalist (talk · contribs · logs)
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Statement of the dispute
This is a summary written by users who are concerned by this user's conduct. Users signing other sections ("Response" or "Outside views") should not edit the "Statement of the dispute" section. Since his first edit in Misplaced Pages, Nationalist has been and is still persistent on his own point of view concerning the political status of Taiwan; he has been tagging "Republic of China" everywhere and sometimes replacing "Taiwan" with it. Several users, including me, have tried to get him into discussing about this matter, but in vain; he stays put with his own opinion on the naming conventions and continues his widespread edits on articles related to Taiwan and ROC. For this, he was blocked four times for a total of 144 hours.
Desired outcome
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- To reach a clear and solid consensus on this issue between all of us by all means. While Nationalist is persistent on the de-facto situation with ROC governing Taiwan, I am more concerned with the understanding of a general audience, who for the majority might not understand Nationalist's opinion.
- To halt the edit war going on in various Taiwan/ROC-related articles, especially those between Nationalist and User:Jerrypp772000, who was also blocked twice for 3RR violation in this for a total of 32 hours.
Description
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- Users actively involved in this conflict: Nationalist, Jerrypp772000, 71.70.66.160 (only recently), and myself
- Users involved in this conflict occasionally: Jiang, Borgarde, and Yankees76
- Users involved only in various revisions: Mattingly23, Corticopia, Shreshth91, Jumping cheese, Kusunose, Chris 73, Tkynerd, Flakeloaf and anyone who has ever involved in the widespread political edit war
While Nationalist persists to use ROC on all political context that he thinks using "Taiwan" is wrongWhile Nationalist persists to use ROC for all politically related context that he thinks using "Taiwan" only is wrong, Jerrypp772000 emphasizes more on common usage of Taiwan over ROC.- Attempts to discuss about this matter have taken place in various talk pages, mainly between Nationalist and Jerrypp772000. However, while the discussion is barely gaining any progress, there is no sign of ceasing edit war between these two users.
- The disruption that Nationalist (and possibly Jerrypp772000) created also triggered some other users who were involved only marginally in reverting some of his edits. He just reverted them all, sometimes with no edit summaries written.
Evidence of disputed behavior
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- Please refer to Nationalist's block log for below links:
- 1st 3RR violation
- 2nd 3RR violation, although the block was more because of profanity in edit summary. Quotation: "Gave that guy a {{non-admin fwarn}} with a link to this section. Told me to fuck off. Tuxide 05:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)"
- 3rd block for personal attack: see next section below.
- 3rd 3RR violation and 4th block, this time attempted to use sockpuppet User:Taiwanlove to circumvent 3RR violation. Also see RfCU result and discussion of it.
- Repeated assuming bad faith/personal attacks on others who reverted his edits:
Note: there are more examples that can be found at his contributions.
- His behavior also displays no regret for what others deemed his contributions as disruptive after being blocked for several times. Evidence: - His request to unblock refuses to recognize his wrongdoing and puts the blame falsely to other people.
Applicable policies and guidelines
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Violation-related:
Dispute-related:
- I'm sure there is a link related to how Misplaced Pages striving to make their content more accessible to a general audience tops over any Misplaced Pages policies. If you know it, please substitute this message with the full name of the wikilink to it. Thanks.
Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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- User talk:Yankees76/Archive 3#Chien-ming Wang
- Talk:Chien-Ming Wang#Birthplace
- Talk:Guantian, Tainan (This talk page contains only the discussion itself, so a diff is not really necessary)
- Talk:Jhunan, Miaoli (same as above)
- Talk:Yuanlin, Changhua (same as above)
- User talk:Sid212#Compromise maybe, who is also suspected as another sokpuppet of Nationalist (see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Nationalist and Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Nationalist (2nd)). This diff also includes more subtle personal attacks.
- Misplaced Pages:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-01-10_Chi-ling_Lin A MedCab request that failed because Nationalist chose not to respond.
Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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Other users who endorse this summary
- Having been involved with articles in this category for sometime, I have noticed the aforementioned dispute. While I have become tangentially involved, to be honest I've been keeping my distance, as I'm still rather burned out from the last time the whole ROC/Taiwan/whatever dispute turned ugly. However, in light of the CheckUser report confirming the use of sockpuppets by User:Nationalist, I feel intervention is now necessary as this has escalated well beyond a simple content dispute. Therefore, endorsed under the understanding that other editors involved in the content dispute (User:Jerrypp772000, I'm looking at you) do not take this as a licence to push their own POVs. Loren 08:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Response
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- While Nationalist persists to use ROC on all political context that he thinks using "Taiwan" is wrong, Jerrypp772000 emphasizes more on common usage of Taiwan over ROC.
Actually, this statement is completely false. I use Republic of China when necessary, but on township articles I would use County, Taiwan, Republic of China. That is the correct way. -Nationalist 03:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
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Discussion
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