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Shortening the article

Looking at the maintenance tag at the top, I have to agree. So I'm trying to shorten a bit of what I consider superfluous. Feel free to comment or revert if you disagree. --Rsk6400 (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Rsk6400, I think one solution would be to split off some of the sections into their own articles. I mean, the article definitely qualifies WP:SIZESPLIT. Just look at what it is when it comes to section sizes:
Section sizes
Section size for Racism in the United States (60 sections)
Section name Byte
count		 Section
total
(Top) 5,257 5,257
Aspects of American life 137 75,146
Citizenship and immigration 4,794 4,794
Voting 5,397 5,397
Criminal justice system 15,382 15,382
Education 2,910 6,263
Curriculum 3,353 3,353
Health 7,894 7,894
Housing and land 6,147 6,147
Labor market 6,617 6,617
Media 4,377 4,377
Politics 10,453 10,453
Religion 1,127 1,127
Wealth 6,558 6,558
African Americans 157 43,381
Antebellum period 5,560 5,560
From the Reconstruction Era to World War II 9,082 9,082
From World War II to the Civil Rights Movement 10,380 10,380
From the 1970s to the 2000s 6,477 6,477
From 2008 to the present 11,725 11,725
Native Americans 12,768 22,573
Reservation marginalization 3,798 3,798
American Indian boarding schools 1,748 1,748
Current issues 4,259 4,259
Asian Americans 2,253 27,958
19th century 6,754 6,754
Anti-Japanese sentiment and legislation 251 251
Anti-Filipino sentiment and legislation 923 923
World War II and postwar 8,523 8,523
The Second Half of the 20th Century 3,129 3,129
21st century 6,125 6,125
European Americans 11,007 11,007
Hispanic and Latino Americans 6,587 6,587
Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans 1,764 12,995
Arab Americans 6,259 6,259
Iranian Americans 1,456 1,456
Indian Americans 3,516 3,516
Jewish Americans 11,326 11,326
Consequences 72 28,531
Developmental 7,107 7,107
Societal 18 15,225
Schemas and stereotypes 6,684 6,684
Minority-minority racism 3,060 3,060
Interpersonal discrimination 1,831 1,831
Ethnic-racial socialization 3,632 3,632
Institutional racism 3,055 6,127
Nazi Germany's inspiration from American racism 3,072 3,072
Contemporary issues 26 10,072
Hate crimes and terrorism 2,952 2,952
Hateful views 4,204 4,204
Social media 1,843 1,843
Artificial intelligence 1,047 1,047
Responses 3,956 3,956
See also 104 104
Notes 24 24
References 33 33
Further sources 20 3,642
Articles 1,696 1,696
Books 853 853
Videos 1,073 1,073
Total 262,592 262,592
That's my suggestion at least. I mean, at minimum, the "Sectors of American society" section could be its own page... I'm not sure what it would be titled, though.Preceding unsigned comment of 13:36, 23 April 2021‎ by Historyday01
Thanks for the "section sizes" - I didn't know that trick. What do you think about the idea of creating new articles for the longest sections which would be called (1) Racism against African Americans, (2) Racism in the criminal justice system of the United States, and (3) Contemporary issues of racism in the United States ? The respective sections here could then be reduced to summaries. --Rsk6400 (talk) 18:15, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Sure! I forget that trick all the time, too, so I usually just have to copy it from different pages. I think those could all definitely be their own articles. That's a good idea. Historyday01 (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Race in the United States criminal justice system already exists as a page and is hyperlinked on here already. Nettless (talk) 11:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Hmm. Maybe some of the content from this article can be moved onto that article? Historyday01 (talk) 12:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Good idea. Now I'd propose: Create two new articles named (1) Racism against Black Americans and (2) Contemporary issues of racism in the United States and move much of our article there and to "Race in the United States criminal justice system" (long name, but at least shorter than the one I proposed above). Note that I changed "African Americans" to "Black Americans" since some recent Black immigrants don't identify as "African Americans". Any thoughts ? --Rsk6400 (talk) 18:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I created Racism against Black Americans some time ago, but I no longer propose to create Contemporary issues of racism in the United States. Reason: The current size has been reduced to 117 kB. I intend to reduce it further by removing duplicate text, complicated language, and text giving undue significance to single events or primary sources. Feel free to comment or revert. --Rsk6400 (talk) 08:10, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Ok, that makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
@Historyday01: Thanks for your encouragement and ideas. The readable prose is now just below 100,000 Bytes, but I feel that the text is still too long. One problem I see is the length of the section on anti-Black racism: Since there is now a main article, it might be much shorter. But looking at its importance, both in history and today, it should not be much shorter. Any more ideas ? --Rsk6400 (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Great work! I think the length of that section is generally fine and I personally wouldn't think of cutting down the text in any other way. But that's just me. Historyday01 (talk) 20:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Medical Racism

Using this article as a "parent article" I am hoping to develop an article that further explores medical racism in the United States. Although a shorter section, the health section of this article has already begun to describe some of the concepts and examples key to the observance and understanding of medical racism as a whole in the U.S. I've collected some references of interest to the article I will be developing that are listed on my user page. Ijwilliams (talk) 02:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Ijwilliams, are you already aware of Race and health in the United States? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Yes and I'm hoping to expand further on the concepts presented its sections titled "Racism" and "Inequalities in Healthcare". Some parts of the latter section are very similar to the "Health" section on this page and I think there is more that can be said without making either article too long! Thank you. Ijwilliams (talk) 18:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I have added further details on how I will go about formulating this new article in my sandbox. I welcome any suggestion on how to best approach writing a new article and on this topic especially. I've split my plans into the different sections that I want to include within the article that include different racial/ethnic groups and concepts such as the historical context of this topic and contemporary issues that pertain to medical racism in the United States. Sources are included as well and are included under the section where I plan to utilize it. Ijwilliams (talk) 23:11, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Scull dimensions

‎MrDemeanour, as mentioned in my edit summary, I gave my reasons for the revert of the paragraph on the scull dimensions on the user's talk page, User_talk:Cmetoyer#Racism in the United States. I know that normally changes should be discussed on the article's talk page, and I want to apologize for the confusion caused. The reason why I did so was that Cmetoyer is a student editor, and so I intended to explain my revert in detail in order not to discourage them. --Rsk6400 (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


Sure. I don't want to undermine new editors either. No need to apologise. Your remarks on the editor's talk page are apposite. Thank you for communicating.
FWIW, I'm not invested in this article - I'm very interested in the subject, but based on hard experience, I avoid getting into arguments with other editors on political matters. Life is too short.
MrDemeanour (talk) 11:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Evaluation

The article is written well in the correct tone of voice. It flows smoothly and is arranged well with a solid outline/structure. More visuals can be added to the article, and more substantive information can be inserted into the section being edited. Most importantly, the author needs to be concise in describing the material, as the article is lengthy and droning text will only bore readers (the author isn’t droning and their text is concise; this is just a point to keep in mind.) SageSab (talk) 01:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

evaluation

This article is extremely well written an engulfs all the aspects of racism in the united states. Its chronological structure an easy to read sections allow readers with little knowledge on the subject to understand. My only suggestion would just be to keep growing on what it already here. There are historical acts of tolerance and intolerance pertaining to racism each year in the united states. racism in the United States is always changing so this article must be kept up to date consistently. The author could continue to use scholarly sources which neutrally convey acts of racism in the united states WPGALLO (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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