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Kiumars

Messages: Please leave your general messages in this section

>>>Re: Ali Montazeri: Hi. I made some changes, including one regarding the "following" he has. Tell me what you think of them; I want to get the factual dispute tag off of the page soon. The Behnam 09:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

>>>Using stub templates: Hi - I think you need to read WP:STUB a bit more carefully! Please do not copy and paste the coding from thhe example stub template into articles - all you should do is add {{stub}} or one of the many subtypes of it (listed at WP:WSS/ST) to the article. Grutness...wha? 22:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Messages: Azerbaijani People article related

>>>Re: Azarbaijani People: Kiumars, The article Azerbaijani People, have been subject to a lot of discussion entries and edit wars. Eventually Tombseye has steped in and has done a great job to bring the article to a Featured Article standard.. The best way to bring a change to this article woud be to engage in these discussions. Relatively large section of this article explains the numbers, sources and difficulties of providing accurate numbers on the Azerbaijani population of Iran, however relaiable studies by academic and other sources provide some figures that are used within the article. If you have any other sources of information on the ethnic Azerbaijanies, please let users know and see how we can incorporate in the article. Mehrdad 15:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

>>>THAt is actually a good discussion. See my sources in the talk page. --Ali doostzadeh 22:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

>>>:I am glad to see you passionately involved with editing Misplaced Pages articles. In regards to the Azari article, just remember that we must all cooperate together and stay civil. Not that I am implying that you have been uncooperative or uncivil, but just that I want meaningful discussion and harmonious dialogue. I appreciate your legitimate concerns.

These are some editing project pages and categories you might be interested in looking at and joining which overlap with the current article you have raised editorial concerns in.

This might also be a page you would want to take a look at since it overlaps with your interests. It is in dire need of NPOV editing. Once again thank you for raising your concerns.69.196.164.190

>>> In response to your message: You must be patient on Misplaced Pages. Things tka longer than they should sometimes becuase as you rightly said, "there are editors with vested interests." I think you should llook at the article I sent to you and its disucssion page. Actually please do this; look at the discussion page. You will see the inaccuracies and inconsistancies that defame Iranians as a whole and try to subjegate Azaris as alien from the mainstream of Iranians. A user that can greatly help you is user:Zereshk. I strongly suggest you join the Wikiproject Iran and talk to fellow editors. They will fill you in on the theoritical and practical situation on Misplaced Pages. It can be uphill sometimes, but stand by your principles and civiliy engage others for establishing truithful facts. 69.196.164.190

>>> Regarding Talk: Azerbaijani People. I dont know what you define as "discussion" but what me and countdown are doing is talking about the situation and trying to come to a conclusion. im sorry if you dont like it, but this is how it works. look at other talk pages with intense discussions, they are all the same. there are no insults, we are just talking about, that is called "discussing". i would appreciate it if you would stop being so immature about the situation and stop interrupting us.Iranian Patriot 22:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry, but for someone who writes on the grounds of logical discussion your discussion on the Azari talk page was not logical. In fact it seemed to be screaming mockery of dialogue. If I am wrong, accept my apology, but if I am right; you should not mock the intelligence or mechanisms of discussion. I know the system can be gamed, but that does not mean one should lose hope. Take it from an anon user, someone who does not get much respect just simply from the fact the ave an IP address comprised of numerials as a title and is treated with suspicion due to this. Everything on WIkpedia stas and is filed, bad behaviour or what may seem like bad behaviour such as mockery, bad faith, and trolling will hunt you and even be used as against you in the future when you want to make descent and worthy edits. 69.196.164.190
69.196 . Can you please point out which part seemed to be a screaming mockery of dialogue to you? Kiumars
dont leave wikipedia. the more the merrier, i value your opinion, and the great thing is that we can and should talk about these things, and im glad you pointed out to me that i come out as a bit harsh in these discussions. thank you, and please stick around.Iranian Patriot 04:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Iranian Patriot, I am not a young man and I don’t have the energy to get involved in cat fights (see my user page!). As I said before there is no hard feeling, I understand that one can get angry or too excited when confronted with what one may consider untrue or illogical but fighting fire with fire is only suitable for certain types of fire, most fires are put off with a bucket of cold water (in this case reasoning and logic). I will stay around, don’t worry. Keep up the good work but with more finesse. Cheers, Kiumars 13:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thanks.Iranian Patriot 15:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Also you might want to see this: and read the first few articles. It agrees with your statistics. --Ali doostzadeh 07:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


Tombseye

Kiumars jaan, dar rabateh baa sohbatat dar moredeh Tombseye mikhastam behet begam ke dorosteh ke Tombseye Amerciaei hast ama man baa oon 1 saal hast ke kaar kardam, vaa behet etminan midam ke oon sad dar sad bitaraf hast o be hich onvaan zed-Irani nist, vaa baraks on chizi ke fekr mikoni naa Azeri hast naa tarafdareh Azerbaijan, bitaraf bitaraf hast, vaa rou maghalaat besiaari kaard kardeh ke aslan rabti be Azerbaijan nadareh mesl Iranian peoples, pas lotfan "assume good faith" bekon vaa behesh ejazeh bedeh ke dispute rou mianjigari koneh, motmaan bash ke pashimon namishi. Ageh bazham fekr mikoni ke biataraf nist, maa mitonim yek nafar digeh rou peyda konim bara miaanjigari. Khoikhoi 19:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi 19:21, 25 January 2007, let’s put it on hold at the moment and see how it goes. If we do not manage to agree by reasoning then we take the next step. Meanwhile if you read the talk page you will see that a hot debate is going on which is a good sign! Cheers.Kiumars

Ok, good idea. :-) Cheers, Khoikhoi 02:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't really know much about these people. Try asking other users as well. Khoikhoi 06:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, please be aware that you can't just copy content direclty from another website. You have to put it in your own words. What is the latest version of the article? Khoikhoi 06:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Shaffer

I made some comments on Shaffer.. I don't care about statistics, but she did some serious forgery as I pointed out in two referenced articles by two full Professors. --alidoostzadeh 02:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Iran related articles noticeboard/Incidents

Please watch this page and post your public messages on this page so that everybody may have access to it. Thanks --Aminz 05:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

>>> Salam; There are a lot of pages they have deleted. I don't really know many but you can ask someone like Zereshk, he would probably know. They tried to delete The English name of the Persian Language but since that did not work, they are now trying to merge it with Persian language even though there is no agreement to do that. This is the way it is here unfortunately. There is no problem for you to copy articles for your website since wikipedia is "open content" since no one "owns" anything. Khorshid 00:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

>>> Misconceptions about Iran: Hi! If you want to save this article, you should improved it. It's clear that it's not a good article and if I had enough time I whould do it myself.But as I told Zereshk before it should improved. This is my opinion: and Good buy. --Sa.vakilian 11:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


>>> Has Wiki become a platform for anti-Iranian propagandas? Have your say on the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Iran%2C_Shi%27a%2C_and_Middle_East_related_articles_noticeboard/Incidents Kiumars 15:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

This one was deleted by an Administrator! I wonder why! see the history page and you will find out! Kiumars 21:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Admin posts (Keeping for records!)

Admin posts: Spam

Firstly, talk pages are as public as anything else on wikipedia. If you haven't noticed, anyone can edit them too. Secondly, removing spam not only is policy, but has been as long as you remember. If you don't like it, complain to someone else. --InShaneee 16:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Re: talk pages are as public as anything else on wikipedia. If you haven't noticed, anyone can edit them too.

People reading Wiki I am sure are intelligent enough to realize that User Talk pages are not Wiki articles and these are only a means of communication between the members. Civilized users edit the page to add their comments to the page not deleting other people’s posts!

  • Re: If you don't like it, complain to someone else.

Who should I complain to? Give me a name please. Who is in charge in Wiki? Kiumars 11:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Admin posts: Recreation of The English name of the Persian Language

Dear Kiumars: You have recently created the article The English name of the Persian Language. This was deleted in accordance with Misplaced Pages's deletion policies. Please do not recreate the article: if you disagree with the article's deletion, you may ask for a review at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. . Thank you, and best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 20:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin posts: Iranian Notice-board.

Thank you for experimenting with Misplaced Pages by creating the article Iranian Notice-board.. Your test worked, and has been or will soon be removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. --Sbluen 02:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I did not nominate your Iranian Notice-board article because it contained the word "Zionist." I nominated it because it was a political rant, and didn't need to be an article. I'm not sure what this "Iranian Notice-board" thing has to do with your position on anti-Iranian propaganda. Were you trying to create such a notice board as a WP article? This looks like something more suitable to a Talk page or to your own user page. eaolson 02:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Please, no personal attacks. The question isn't whether anti-Iranian propaganda exists, it's whether or not the article you created was a valid article. You made an article that consisted of only an attack against WP for being anti-Iranian. It wasn't even a description of anything. It's since been deleted so it's a moot point. eaolson 02:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • You made a new what? I'm not sure what you mean by "Zionist site". WP isn't a discussion forum (except in Talk pages, like this). If you wish to make an article on some aspect of Iran or whatever, just make sure it is verifiable and backed up by reliable sources. WP is not a forum for you to express your own personal opinion. eaolson 02:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • You may be looking for [[Misplaced Pages:Iran, Shi'a, and Middle East related articles noticeboard/Inc

idents]]. Zetawoof 02:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Guys, we all know what this is all about and who is running it and I am going to do my best to expose it from now on, good luck to you all but you need more than luck, you need a bunch of stupid people to buy that!Kiumars 03:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

You will soon! When people find out who is running this sham. And I think I have enough proofs! Look at all Iran related articles and you will find out yourself too! It does not need a rocket scientist brain! Kiumars 03:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow! On the eve of Israel defeat in Lebanon I have two Wiki Administrators chasing me! Does that mean something? They went quiet! Kiumars 03:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

eaolson, Aha! A volunteer editor that deletes other people’s posts? How many of them do we have here? You think people are stupid? Have I ever deleted other people’s posts? ? Can I? Isn’t it interesting that two people turn up as soon as I post something about the Zionists? Kiumars 03:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I did not delete your article. I was looking at the newpages page, and saw your noticeboard article. I flagged your article with the {{db-attack}} speedy deletion template, as your article was basically an attack against Misplaced Pages. An administrator reviewed that the template was applicable and then was the one that actually deleted the article. You can do the same, so long as the article meets the appropriate criteria for speedy deletion. I believe only admins can actually delete articles. eaolson 03:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let’s see if my “Israel v Iran” is deleted too, that would be a good indication as how Zionist is this Wiki because we all know that there is an international issue currently called “Israel v Iran”.

  • It's already got a speedy deletion tag on it (not by me). First of all, you probably wanted "Israel vs. Iran" not "Israel v Iran". You also created an article that had no real content in it, just your claim that Israel has been an enemy of Iran since the Islamic revolution. You provided no citations, no sources. It's not the sort of thing I'd expect to pick up and read in the Encylopedia Brittanica. There's already an article at Iran-Israel relations that probably covers the topic you were interested in. You seem to be trying to use WP as a discussion forum, which it's not. I would gently suggest you review Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and What Misplaced Pages is not and Neutral point of view before continuing. Your articles are being deleted because they are not good articles, not because of some Zionist conspiracy bent on world domination. eaolson 04:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Zionist world domination? They would not live a day if America did not support them! Did you hear about UK objecting to American planes carrying bunker-buster bombs to Israel? And did you know that America pays for Israel to exist? What would you call an state like that? A parasite? Kiumars 04:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not claiming to know anything about the politics of the Middle East, nor do I wish to get into a discussion on the matter. I was trying to explain to you why your articles were being deleted. eaolson 04:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: I was trying to explain to you why your articles were being deleted. I know why they are being deleted! And I am counting on them being deleted! I am recording it! How else could I prove to my people that Wiki is a Zionist anti-Muslim site? Kiumars 04:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • No, your articles are being deleted because you seem to think that WP is a discussion forum. It's an encyclopedia. Create a good, well-written, well-sourced article, and it will stay up. You just seem to want to rant about how much Zionists are opressing you. For crying out loud, there's an entire portal on Islam. It sounds like you are taking a deliberatly belligerent attitude and writing your articles so that they will be deleted, then taking offense that they are deleted. eaolson 04:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages may have many zionist users, but creating an article about your opinions in not the right way to tell us that. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox and Misplaced Pages articles should not be propaganda or advocacy of any kind. I was just about to propose your article for deletion when eaolson tagged it for speedy deletion. --Sbluen 06:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Sbluen, fighting fire with fire is only way of fighting certain types of fire. If it was not for the “an eye for an eye” principle, most people would be blind now. Kiumars 14:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


Admin posts: Iran related articles noticeboard/Incidents

Putting this here because the talk page is tagged for speedy deletion.

Kiumars wrote: Eaolson, Didn't you tell me last night "Zetawoof suggests you were attempting to report some sort of incident to Misplaced Pages:Iran, Shi'a, and Middle East related articles noticeboard/Incidents, if so that's the best place for it, I guess.". Now you are telling me that this is not a good place to discuss my view about Wiki with other posters? Can you make your mind? Where can I post this then?

  • You did not make your comment at the page Zetawoof suggested, you put it in a discussion forum for an encyclopedia entry called "Iran related articles noticeboard/Incidents." Actually Zetawoof suggested you report it at Misplaced Pages:Iran, Shi'a, and Middle East related articles noticeboard/Incidents. Note the "Misplaced Pages" at the beginning. That means it's a meta page about Misplaced Pages itself, and not an actual encyclopedia entry. The leftmost tab says "project page" rather than "article".

Kiumars wrote: Can you do that and ask an administrator create a page where people can talk openly about Wiki? I think a page like that will be very useful for everybody. Kiumars 15:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Now that I think about it, if you wish to discuss some Zionist bias on the part of Misplaced Pages as a whole, perhaps the Misplaced Pages:Village pump or one of it's sub-sections might be the best place to bring it up. That's a dedicated place for people to gather to discuss WP. eaolson 15:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Exactly. And Kiumars, I wasn't trying to fight you, I was only responding to the question that you asked on my talk page and explaining more of the policies. --Sbluen 22:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin posts: Disruptive editing: final warning

Dear Kiumars: Hello there. Despite a number of warnings and explanations from other Wikipedians about the matter, you have persisted in posting pro-Iranian diatribes which are not relevant to the encyclopaedia project we are intending to create. As per Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not, Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox for propaganda or advocacy of any kind, and your actions are somewhat disruptive. Whilst Misplaced Pages welcomes editors who wish to contribute to improve articles following the neutral point of view editorial policy, editors who merely wish to use Misplaced Pages to espouse a particular point of view or advocate one side in a factual controversy do not assist us in creating an encyclopaedia. As a consequence, I regret that should you continue this type of editing on Misplaced Pages, you will be blocked indefinitely; this is because it is not a valuable use of administrators' time having to go through the contributions and delete the material that you keep posting, and also because as you probably well know the subject area is contentious on Misplaced Pages. Thus, I most sincerely hope that you will be able to become a productive encyclopaedia editor and cease this pattern of editing from now on. Should you have any further questions or concerns about editing Misplaced Pages, please do let me know. Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 01:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Kiumars: Hi Nicholas,

Re: Despite a number of warnings and explanations from other Wikipedians about the matter, you have persisted in posting pro-Iranian diatribes which are not relevant to the encyclopaedia project we are intending to create.

Aren’t talk/discussion pages the right place to discuss different points of views? Have I been wrong in thinking that way? Have I posted anything emotionally charged on any articles?

By the way, what pro-Iranian diatribes are you talking about? Show me one pro-Iranian diatribes posted by me and prove me wrong, but I think you really mean “objecting to anti-Iranian statements on the Wiki”, right?

Re: your actions are somewhat disruptive.

You find discussing a political / cultural / historical issue disruptive? Are you serious?

Re: editors who merely wish to use Misplaced Pages to espouse a particular point of view or advocate one side in a factual controversy do not assist us in creating an encyclopaedia.

Espousing a particular point of view is a bad thing? Are you telling me that scientists and politicians and researchers don’t have a particular point of view and do not follow those lines till they prove it to be right or proven to be wrong? You really think people jump from branch to branch all the time? I must admit I don’t understand what you are talking about and I don’t think you know what you are talking about either!

Again, Give me an example of when I have posted a pro-Iranian diatribes or have been one sided on any issues, On the other hand if you do not provide such proofs I will report you for abuse of the Admin position. Kiumars 11:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, What is your objection to my post and discussion with other users on the following page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Iran%2C_Shi%27a%2C_and_Middle_East_related_articles_noticeboard/Incidents&action=history

Please do not delete, discuss first! Kiumars 12:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kiumars: Thank you very much for replying to me; I apologise for the length of time it has taken for me to respond. However, I regret that you have rather misunderstood what I intended to convey to you in my message - that may well be my fault, as I perhaps did not make myself clear enough, but I believe you also have failed to understand the issues relating to Misplaced Pages policy.
In reference to your post here, where you make a series of rhetorical statements that Misplaced Pages discriminates against Iranians:
  • "Guys, as you can see Wiki is a platform for anti-Iranian propagandas, Parisian Gulf is not Persian Gulf any more..."
  • "... Did you also notice how “Misconceptions about Iran” article was conveniently deleted in the middle of America’s propaganda against Iran ..."
You ask what my objection is to your post there - the answer to that should be fairly obvious; it is patently false conspiracy theorism to presume that Misplaced Pages is "a platform for anti-Iranian propaganda", which is an adversarial tone to take in discussion calculated to cause nothing but controversy. That is not, I feel, a post that could be made in the spirit of reasonable comment; although you may not wish to class such diatribe as being pro-Iranian, and would rather prefer to describe it as "objecting to anti-Iranian statements on the wiki", there is a difference between the latter (a justifiable grievance) and the former (mere hostile comment). If you feel that anti-Iranian sentiments are being made on Misplaced Pages, please raise it amicably and in a rational manner, and I can assure you the matter will be addressed.
I am also talking about other articles that you (re)created and were subsequently deleted, such as The English name of the Persian Language et al, which really were nothing but pro-Iranian POV pushing, and I cannot possibly see how you could reasonably consider them not to be so.
As regards to disruption, discussing such issues is not disruptive provided they are discussed amicably, but stating them in an adversarial and combative way is disruptive; it is also likewise disruptive to post talk page messages solely due to a desire to promote or defend one's own point of view. Looking at your contributions, it appears that you tend to follow the adversarial approach (which is disruptive) rather than just presenting your issues in an amicable way.
With relation to point of view, I regret you misunderstand the nature of the issue completely. I am not saying it is bad to hold a point of view; if I was to say that, it would be a clearly ridiculous statement to make. What I am saying is that Misplaced Pages is not interested in your point of view, and Misplaced Pages is not the place to try and publish your point of view. The Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view policy is non-negotiable; it is the way our project operates, and talk page discussion is only for the purposes of collaborating towards such an effort, not promotion of your own personal tenets and opinions, as per Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not.
By the way, should you feel my actions as an administrator have been incorrect, I invite you to request that another administrator reviews my actions relating to you; please do so at your own convenience, as I have no objection at all to review by one of my colleagues. You can, of course, post on WP:AN/I for an administrator to review this case - just to make it perfectly clear, I have no interest in being abusive, and do not consider that I have been so.
I hope the above may clarify the issue somewhat, and I hope that you shall be able to be a more productive editor in the future. Should you have any questions or concerns relating to Misplaced Pages editing, please do let me know. Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 02:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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Francis Tyers 18:35, 31 January 2007; I can rephrase the sentences but my understanding is that what was quoted from those websites fall under fair use, am I wrong?

No you can't because you didn't quote them. You just copied it. You can use quotes, but they must be in quote marks. You cannot just copy the first paragraph from a website. This is a copyright violation. - Francis Tyers · 08:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Francis_Tyers"

Ok, open the article and let me put them as quote marks! Kiumars

Francis_Tyers has put a copyright tag on Brenda Shaffer article and does not reply to my posts and questions! How can we solve this problem?

Sorry no one's available to help right now. You may want to try WP:RFC. Good luck. Xiner (talk, email) 02:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Admin posts: Evan Siegel

No, I added the tag because the bulk of his books are on Azerbaijan. Chris 22:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

enable your e-mail

dude can you enable your e-mail. --alidoostzadeh 19:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Help is needed on NOR issue

I need your opinion urgently about NOR on Languages of Iran; as you will see from the history of the article and its talk page I have been told that we cannot take a calculator and add up the figures on this article and demonstrate the discrepancies because that is counted as Original research! Is this true? Is adding up the figures on a list and showing their discrepancies counted as original Research? Kiumars

Dear Kiumars: I know it's a strange problem, and one I've come across before. Unfortunately you can't just add up the figures given in demographic data to give an overall total; although I wouldn't have personally called it "original research" in the strictest sense of the term, it is not necessarily factually correct, and so would not be acceptable on Misplaced Pages. The reason for this is that demographic figures are estimates (usually gathered from statistical sampling across particular groups in a population, and then scaled according to overall size) meaning that totalling up of the figures wouldn't yield an accurate result. You will need to find an external source that quotes a specific total, rather than trying to calculate one yourself, which would technically speaking fall under the WP:NOR policy. I shouldn't have thought that would be too difficult. Ideally, the best way of solving this would be to find a single source (some kind of "gazetteer" that shows population breakdown per language, with estimated totals), which is what I'd advise. I hope this might help a bit. All the best, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 00:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Brenda Shaffer

Hi Kiumars - I did add a US-writer-stub to that article... but it was based on the fact that her academic work seems to have been in the United States. I don't have any information about her - sorry! Grutness...wha? 04:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Helllppppppppppppp

Help with Brenda Shaffer article pleaseeeeeeeeeeeees! Ok, guys, I have rewritten it, it should be ok now please check the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Brenda_Shaffer/Temp Kiumars

Looks fine to me, however, there are empty sections and a lot of question marks that could be fixed. - Icez 20:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Icez 20:00, 5 February 2007; Yes I know but they are not copyright issues and other people may be able to fill in the missing information, isn’t that what we are here for? So, what is the next step? Can the article survive? Who is going to remove the copyright tag?

Sorry, looks like no one's here. You may want to try WP:RFF. Good luck. Xiner (talk, email) 20:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Xiner 20:14, 5 February 2007; you have been giving me that shit for the last 72 hours and stopped the dispute to be resolved! Do you have a vested interest in this topic? Icez 20:00, 5 February 2007 already said that he/she does not see any problem with the article! So what is your problem?