Talk:Elizavetpol Governorate

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Wording

Restored the wording to Azerbaijan's first independence, because Azerbaijan Republic of today is considered a descendant state of ADR, and ADR's independence is considered in Azerbaijan as Republic's Day, foundation of the first independent republic. Atabek 20:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Its talking about the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic, not the Republic of Azerbaijan. The ADR did not gain independence, it was founded (to gain independence you have to first be an entity that was occupied).Hajji Piruz 22:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Those who remove Azerbaijani spelling, please explain why it is not acceptable here, while Armenian is OK to include to Erivan Governorate. Please provide a valid reason for removal, any references to WP:POINT are pointless. I was just reverting a sock of banned user Hetoum. Edit warring in support of the banned user, without any valid reason to rv, is a violation of arbitration ruling. Grandmaster 14:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Elisabethpol Governorate → Elizavetpol Governorate – per WP:COMMONNAME

It's very clear "Elisabethpol Governorate" is not common name, probably this name is "Wiki-vention". There are no common name when we use the term "governorate". But as long as I understand, because other administrative unit of the Russian Empire oblast is also translated as "province" in English, guberniya is translated as "governorate" to distinguish from other administrative units.

Elisabethpol:

Elisabethpol + Governorate -Llc 2, both of them are content by Misplaced Pages
- Elisabethpol + Governor -Llc 37
"province of Elisabethpol" -Llc 3
"Elisabethpol Province" -Llc 7 -

Elisavetpol:

Elizavetpol:

Yelizavetpol:

-- Takabeg (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Mostly oppose. What the above does is basically counting google hits. The problem with the results (apart from obvious ones described by WP:SET) is that the term "governorate" is not a part of the name but only a descriptor indicating the entity type. Descriptors of the entities of the same type in the same country are not normally researched individually; the general consensus is to use only one for all instances; see WP:NCCS for more on this. As for the term "governorate" itself, as the nominator correctly observes, it was chosen because it's the one that does the job the best (and "province" is not only one of the possible translations of "oblast" but also the term used to refer to provintsiya—an administrative division type into which the governorates themselves were divided in the 18th century).
The actual proper name (Elisabethpol vs. Yelizavetpol, etc.) is, of course, a different matter, but even then researching which of the alternate romanizations (out of several valid ones) gets more hits seems weird, especially considering how low the counts are. I myself would favor "Yelizavetpol", mostly for consistency sake, but "Elisabethpol" is also a perfectly good choice. "Elizavetpol", on the other hand, is exactly the same as "Yelizavetpol", only transliterated using a different system; one Misplaced Pages does not normally use.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 17, 2011; 13:17 (UTC)
Question. Also, could the nominator please clarify the rationale behind the inclusion of the word "governor" in the above research? The term "governor" refers to the top executive position of the governorate (i.e., a person), not to the division itself, so I don't quite understand why it's even considered. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 17, 2011; 13:22 (UTC)

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azeri name

@Nunuxxx:the Elizabethpol Governorate was a Russian governorate. Why insert only the azeri name if Armenians inhabited it too, and the territory is today part of Armenia, azerbaijan, and Armenian Artsakh.--217.149.166.67 (talk) 14:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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