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Sarah Azhari

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN / WP:NACTOR. Noting IMDb is not an acceptable source. Dan arndt (talk) 04:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

  • as you mentioned, you don't talk Indonesian ... so I find it outstanding for you to analyze google researches in Indonesian language, in less than few minutes to assest 90% of the google search articles in indonesian regarding the matter are not relevant and do not prove notability... wondering if you have any magic forces to drive your amazing intuition! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoeba69th (talk • contribs) 08:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The very nature of Google (and Internet search engines as a whole) means that it will pull literally everything that seems to be somewhat relevant and put it into the search results, hence my blanket statement about Google searches. The 95% figure is from over a decade of experience editing Misplaced Pages and looking for sources for various topics, and I see no reason why the Indonesian-language Google search would be any different from the English-language one. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 08:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Maybe because you are not Indonesian? so to me, your hypothesis that 95% of the entire google engine articles regarding a topic are just trashy gossip is just an understatement which sounds to me as someone that has YES, has an incredible amount of years of experience in working in Misplaced Pages and congratulations for that, but also assuming to know more than they do about a particular topic? and using their own judgment, despite actual facts that lacks of actual fundamental proof which could simply come from researching a bit deeper in a big cultural aspects of an entire nation cultural artifacts in movies and entertainment ? https://en.wikipedia.org/21_Cineplex - https://21cineplex.com/slowmotion/sarah-azhari-kebagian-peran-dadakan,364.htm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoeba69th (talk • contribs) 09:02, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Kapanlagi is useless for notability (too sparse). The PDF is much of the same, using her name for a completely disconnected concept. They don't discuss Sarah in any appreciable depth and merely say her name; that's nowhere near enough to justify citing it for her article. I cannot speak to the book absent a physical copy of it due to Google's viewing limits, but what I did see barely even spoke about Azhari specifically. Google Scholar is worthless unless you're making an WP:NACADEMIC argument. Seriously, if this is the highest calibre of sources you can come up with, the article's pretty much doomed. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 10:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • And for the record: It's the 21 Cineplex source specifically that I'm calling out as Shit She Says because the majority of the article is direct quotes attributed to her, to the point where the writer may as well have handed her the pen and gone off to lunch and filled in the remainder with one-line addenda. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 10:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • you do definetely are neglectful and have psychic abilities assuming that a book you can't read because of your google view is limited does not prove notability! first 95% of the indonesian google searches are based of not notability, you must have read ALL the articles, know you know so much of the writer's lunch schedule! wow!!!
  • "An exception to editing an article about yourself or someone you know is made if the article contains defamation or a serious error that needs to be corrected quickly. If you do make such an edit, please follow it up with an email to WP:VRT, Misplaced Pages's volunteer response team, or ask for help on WP:BLPN, our noticeboard for articles about living persons, or the talk page of the article in question." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.201.159.185 (talk) 20:34, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • No, I do am not Amoeba. Is it your first time accusing someone of sockpuppetry, dear Jeske?
  • let me explain the situation a little bit Jeske, now this is getting old... because it is complicated. Sarah Azhari was on every possible modeling magazines, television sitcoms and career as an actress, model and singer as been always in the spotlight of mediatic, sociostudies and....politics...particularly the modeling one...coming from a huge family, she is in fact the sister of Cintra Award winner Ayu Azhari, not that does merely give her notoriety....but it is evident that all of these sisters have reached a huge amount of notability because of their progressive view of women in a country that does not usually tolerate it... as you might know Indonesia does not grant of a progressive view of women. religion sociological aspects of it derives from it, because it is off-topic and there's TOO MUCH more to the thing. Despite that, sarah;s works and persona got at the center of the attention because politics as well played a huge role in her modeling career for oblivious reason. as you can read in Roy Suryo (whose was a minister in indonesia) https://en.wikipedia.org/Roy_Suryo the two sisters accused him to leak nude pictures in order to damage their reputation...the case was one of the biggest in Indonesian politics in the last decade to the point it re-shaped constitution and it's been studied still until now by sociologist all around the world ....and Sarah being the major playing role as well as her sister Rahma in these trials, then i don't really know if something that changes indonesian constitution of cyber security and defamation rights is not notable enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoeba69th (talk • contribs) 00:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • If everything above is as you claim, then there should be absolutely no trouble finding third-party, in-depth sources with editorial oversight that discuss this (and you would be hard required to provide them in this case). As I have said, I cannot speak to either of the books' suitability as sources, and would defer that question to WT:WikiProject Indonesia.
  • The issue you keep running into is that you're making all these grandiose/controversial claims and yet are failing to provide ironclad sourcing that corroborates them. The more outrageous or unusual the claim, the stronger the cited source corroborating it must be, and the onus is on you, or whoever else is seeking to keep the article, to do the lifting on the sources, not on me (as, frankly, I don't care one way or another). You can't just say "Look at Google results" or "Look at book <foo>"; you need to provide links to specific sources and detailed bibliographical information for books in order to defend your position. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 00:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure you did read the NEWS article and comprehend the topics discussed in the article? First of all, if you did read it... you would DEFINETELY know what it is about....The articles goes for pages discussing the complicated dynamics of an Indonesian constitutional matter of Cybersecurity and Defamation rights in the the class action of Azhari vs. Suyo and you come out with WHAT YOU MEAN WITH THIS ARTICLE? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoeba69th (talk • contribs) 01:50, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Because the very limited number of pages we can view don't help make your case at all. There is a reason why I'm not commenting on the books beyond my "first impressions" of them, and that is because Google Books limits page views fairly heavily. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 02:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
    How in-depth can it be on her if her name isn't used in the text of the article? I searched the text of the book for her name and it only came up in that caption. It really sounds like you're trying to argue that this legal case is notable, which it may well be? But that's not the same as Azhari being notable. -- asilvering (talk) 03:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • "Translated As: Classic, I only read what I want to read but still the source you are providing WHICH I AM NOT READING because I dont want to (i cant) but still vote to Delete, {Not a ballot}. Amoeba69th (talk) 06:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I have to go by Google Translate for Indonesian, as I've explained before. How long do you want me to take to sort through an entire PDF, plug it into the (hard-character-limited) translation interface, and then sort out the input into a language I can read? Please quit with the assumptions of bad faith and show the source to WT:WikiProject Indonesia, as they can assess the source in a timely fashion. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 10:00, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. kapanlagi.com/showbiz/film/indonesia/film-sarah-azhari-ini-jadi-sisa-kejayaan-horor-erotis-indonesia-043d1c.html
  2. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sex_and_Sexualities_in_Contemporary_Indo/JWq2BQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=sarah+azhari&pg=PT379&printsec=frontcover
  3. https://repository.uinjkt.ac.id/dspace/bitstream/123456789/535/1/101955-ZAENAL%20MUTTAQIEN-FAH.pdf -
  4. https://books-google-com.translate.goog/books?id=K6a6BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=sarah+azhari+%22UU+No.+11+Tahun+2008+tentang+Informasi+dan+Transaksi+Elektronik+(UU+ITE).%22&source=bl&ots=0I-WZXIURJ&sig=ACfU3U2M5ft1APyEOmCb1lzkuZRvcJ0ASQ&_x_tr_sl=id&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc#v=onepage&q=sarah%20azhari%20%22UU%20No.%2011%20Tahun%202008%20tentang%20Informasi%20dan%20Transaksi%20Elektronik%20(UU%20ITE).%22&f=false
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