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Eagle Knot

I'm having trouble with the newer svg version of Image:EagleKnotPublicDomain.JPG. It shows up just fine on the image page, but when I include it is {{User Eagle Scout}} it does not show up. I have experimented and found that it will show up as a larger image. Any ideas on what the problem might be? --NThurston 16:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at it now ... there was a bunch of extra Adobe data in there. I'm guessing that the software that runs Misplaced Pages was having trouble rendering it in some cases. I removed the extra stuff and now it shows up everywhere for me. --BigDT 00:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad to know that I can do that. Next problem: I'm getting complaints that at 45px it's losing too much resolution and people can't tell what it is. I'm going to experiment with different backgrounds, outlines, etc. to see if I can make everyone happy. Wish me luck!! --NThurston 14:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been discussing with Rlevse a final version of the image and the template. We think we're done. Would you mind deleting all of the old versions of Image:BSAEagleKnot.svg? --NThurston 17:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Circle-question.svg

If you want to protect this page against creation, simply transcluding the image at a size of 1px would do the trick. I suspect, however, that it's unlikely that this particular (seemingly random) title will be targeted for the same vandalism again. —David Levy 18:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

It was hit twice ... so I had assumed there was some significance to it in the show ... although I couldn't begin to guess what that significance is. --BigDT 19:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Sosa Entertainment

Your message to Trejm just popped up in my watchlist. Sosa Entertainment has already been deleted before (same author) . Under advertising/nn. Maybe a speedy delete is better? It's not as much advertising now as it was before, but Trejm is obviously Tre Jean-Marie, the founder, and it's still nn. RB972 01:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no objection to it being speedied ... I usually don't speedy music-related things myself unless it's obvious that we're talking about high school kids that hope to make a CD if daddy will buy them a pack of CDs. I rely on others who are more familiar with our standards for bands than I am ... but I have no objection to it being speedied. --BigDT 01:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Adminship request

Hi!

I tried to answere the issue that concerned you. I edited under other names and then I made this user name to be consistent with other Iranians. Then I understood that I can not move my previous works to this user name. Therefore I renamed my previous usernames as Sangak1,2 and 3. Its now 8 month that I am writing under Sangak about science and art. I also write about history of religion and contemporary history under pen name Sina as explained in my page. The range of articles I edit by these two names have almost no overlap. Unfortunately there is no way to merge my works to a single name. I consulted with admins last year and they said there exist no way for that. In summary 10% of my edits (~5000) were in talkpages. Thanks. Sangak 16:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

But that has nothing to do with Misplaced Pages space participation (pages that start with Misplaced Pages:). Administrators have buttons that allow them to delete and protect pages and block users. So it is necessary, before supporting you, to know that you know when to use these buttons. If you participate in deletion discussions, that tells us that you know when to hit the delete button. If you report repeated vandals to WP:AIV, after they have vandalized after being warned with {{test4}}, that tells us that you know when to hit the block button. Discussing possible changes or updates to Misplaced Pages guidelines on Misplaced Pages talk pages shows that you understand policies. I, for one, don't really care that much what you do ... the whole point is to gain experience with and an understanding of Misplaced Pages policies and processes. --BigDT 16:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

"Notability in question: ghits"

Hi, BigDT,

I see that you are both a ScoutingWikiProject member and a WikiAdmins! Before I knew those things, you helped me a few days ago find relevant info to upload an image of the DESA on its neck ribbon (Image:DESA2007.jpg) and then remove my IP from the logs (I had forgotten to log in)...

Here's my dilemma, in stages (thanks for your patience!):

Once I set up that new image, as a DESA honoree, I decided to add my name to the list of notable Eagle Scouts (after reading the criteria, etc.). That got me to thinking that this listing would not have a link back to any article, as most of those listed do. (I began to "think more about Misplaced Pages"!)

To start this, I next created a page covering an national Mentoring Award I have established, and that page seems to have "survived" (McDonald Award for Excellence in Mentoring and Advising).

I then got to thinking about a page concerning myself, which took quite a few hours to research (for facts, images, references and links) and to type up in Wiki fashion. I uploaded that a few minutes ago as Capers McDonald -- only to see a message saying:

The number of Google hits for "Capers McDonald" (as posted) combined with "Capers W. McDonald" and "Capers Walter McDonald" is approximately 800. If that count is simply insufficient, I guess those are the community rules.

However, I'm wondering if this is the case -- how about the number of searches that are done to those relevant sources? I know there are constantly students, Scouts, parents, business people, educators, government officials and others finding me through the Web and talking to me about common interests. Not to press this too far, but how about other metrics, such as being a Distinguished Eagle Scout, or having established the Mentoring Award (with its annually increasing honorees), or having won some national recognitions (such as an entrepreneur of the year, and ethical business person)?

So, my obvious question to you is: What should I be doing now? Is there something that's more productive than taking your valuable time to help me get oriented...

Thanks a lot, Wikipedalist 19:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok ... there are several questions/points here ... I'll try to address everything. ;)

• When an article is nominated for deletion using a {{prod}} (as this one was), anyone (including the creator of the article), may remove the template to stop the deletion process. A {{prod}} is used for an uncontested deletion - so anyone is allowed to object and the means of objecting is simply to remove the template. In that case, if someone still wants to pursue deletion of the article, the issue would be taken to WP:AFD. So if you would like to stop the article from being deleted after the {{prod}} expires, simply remove the template.
• There is no exact standard on "g-hits", or "google hits". Google is best used as a tool to confirm whether the subject of the article is real or fictional. There are plenty of people who are subjects of Misplaced Pages articles who will get very few Google hits. On the other hand, a company that is trying to launch an advertising campaign may get 50,000 Google hits, but be a very minor company which does not meet Misplaced Pages's notability standards. There's no magic number of Google hits that makes a topic notable ...
• We are strongly advised against writing about ourselves - see WP:AUTO and WP:COI. The thought is that we want Misplaced Pages to be a serious and neutral encyclopedia and most people will not write neutral articles about themselves.
• Misplaced Pages's guidlines for notability of individual persons are given in WP:BIO, as well as WP:N. The biggest question is whether there are multiple non-trivial published works that provide information about a topic. Misplaced Pages's fundamental policies include that articles must consist of verifiable sources and must have a neutral point of view. So any topic that you could not write about while citing sourced independent of your own personal knowledge probably should not be on Misplaced Pages.
• To answer your obvious question, there isn't anything more important for me to do than help new users - I'm always happy to help in any way I can. In general, I think taking a look at some of the Manual of Style pages and Notability guidelines is the biggest thing you can do to grow as an editor. There's a lot of background that you can learn from them.
• With respect to this I think, in general, autobiographical articles are a bad thing. I think, probably the best thing to do with it is to "userfy" it. You have a user page that, within reason, you can use for whatever you want. My user page is User:BigDT ... your's is User:Wikipedalist. I would suggest just moving this article to your user page. It would not be considered a part of the encyclopedia, but you would be free to leave it there, unimpeded. --BigDT 20:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for this invaluable help!

• You are a credit to the community (sincerely)!
• I will be taking this all on board and updating things as soon as I can.
• In the meantime, thanks for the page updates that you have rendered.
• I am also still trying to figure out how to communicate with you and, eventually, others...

Wikipedalist 16:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to be of help. --BigDT 16:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Chsh

An article that you have been involved in editing, Chsh, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Chsh. Thank you.

Opinion requested

Would you be willing to offer your opinion on the fair use status of these images:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_February_4#Image:.27.27Conflict_Onan.27.27_by_Anton_Brink.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_February_4#Image:Onan.jpeg

Thanks,

CyberAnth 07:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Speedy deletions

Please, if you tag something that might be transcluded somewhere else for speedy deletion, like Talk:American Foxhound/Comments, add <noinclude> around the speedy deletion tag. Otherwise, it can make it annoying to figure out where the speedy deletion tag is coming from, especially when CAT:CSD is filled up. Thanks. --BigDT 03:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops. I should have thought of that. Thanks for the reminder – Qxz 14:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

RFA?

Thanks for your notes on my talk page about nominating myself for RFA.

I would be very interested in being nominated for adminship if you were willing to nominate me. As I indicated to someone else a while back, I would never self nominate myself - I have some fundimental issue with that. Same basic issue I have with asking someone else to nominate me.

My one weakness with a nomination would be the limited article creation I have done. Most of my work has been around the clean up of stuff. Any advise you could offer me would be greatly appreciated. --User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 20:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination, I have now read over the various links provided. I have begun editing the nomination, accepted and answered question 1. Given night class and haveing to sleep I will continue with the other questions and will copy it over to the main nomination page later, likely not until tomorrow morning. Thanks again.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I have answered the three questions now and was going to add the nomination to the page. The final thing that I need to do is change the time; that is where my question comes in. It says to change the time to the current time, but at the top of the nomination the time shown is the closing time not the opening time. Any help getting this done correctly. Thanks.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• Actually got it done. Thanks for the nomination. We will see how it goes.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 23:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment from Louieais (talk · contribs)

BigDT, please chill out with the calling me a vandal. I was FIXING the page because of a minor misspell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louieais (talk • contribs)

You changed Mariculture to Mari culture and Algaculture to Alga culture. I have no earthly idea what the correct term is ... but considering that Mariculture and Algaculture both have articles and your terms to not, it would seem to be preferable to leave both terms the way they were. --BigDT 21:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay then.

Waitara, New Zealand: Two images for deletion

Hi, I don't know why the two images at Waitara, New Zealand have been targeted for deletion. I have followed fully the procedure for uploading the images Waitara 1.jpg and Waitara 2.jpg. I obtained written permission from the copyright owner, forwarded this by email to the address given at the Misplaced Pages article on image copyright, noted on the talk page of the article that I had done this and attached what, to the best of my knowledge, was the correct tag on the image. I'm sorry, but the obscure shorthand of "(Not an orphan) tagged as GFDL and as all rights released, source website gives no indication of either BigDT 12:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)" is just insufficient explanation of what is lacking. Can you please explain what else is required to keep these two images at this page? Thank you. Grimhim 21:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

What address did you forward the letter of permission to - "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org"? Can you do this? (1) On the image description page, copy/paste the text of the email you received granting permission for the images to be released (removing email addresses, names, other personal information) and (2) note in the discussion onMisplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion that you have done so? This will allow us to look at the permission that you have received and determine that it meets Misplaced Pages's requirements.

Remember, it is important that the letter of permission say something like, "we release the image under the GFDL", not just, "you can use it on Misplaced Pages". Misplaced Pages can only use the image if it is released under a "free" license, meaning, one that allows anyone to use it for any purpose - simply allowing it to be used on Misplaced Pages is insufficient.

Also, please keep in mind that plenty of times, images are uploaded with false licensing information. Any image that was not created by the uploader that has only a source and a license tag with no explanation for the license is going to be looked at carefully.

I hope this helps ... if I can help you with any other image questions, please feel free to ask.--BigDT 22:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have checked the email address I forwarded the permission to: it is exactly as you mention, so I'm baffled at why these images have still been targeted for deletion. However I have copied the copyright owner's email to both image pages and also left a message on the Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion page. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grimhim (talk • contribs) 00:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Well ... the reason I nominated the images for deletion is simple - until you let me know, I had no possible way of knowing that you had permission to distribute them under the GFDL. I'll strike the nomination. --BigDT 00:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the IFD tag from Image:Waitara 2.jpg now the copyright issues have been resolved. Will you be removing the tag from Waitara 1.jpg, which is covered by the same statement from the copyright owner? Cheers Grimhim 02:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought I had ... oversight ... I also removed the "All rights released" template since that's not technically the case. There are some rights reserved under the GFDL, so only the GFDL template should be there. --BigDT 02:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi BigDT,

Thanks for participating in my recent RfA. Even though it was ultimately successful (at 54-13-11), I value all of the feedback and have already benefited from the community's suggestions. Hope to see you around. - Gilliam 22:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Potentials

Yeah, the subpage is a good idea. Thanks for running with the ball on this, hopefully it will produce some good results :). Cheers, NoSeptember 02:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Images

You deleted an image that is currently being discussed. I made a Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Green Bay Packers request for mediation on the issue. The user has uploaded new higher resolution versions of almost every NFL team and has taken the old one out. This seems to violate WP:FUC #3. Just confusing why the original small one was delete while it was being discussed. I'm trying to settle this dispute, so I hope you can help me out; I'm not quite sure if I'm doing this right. I'm trying to avoid an edit war and discussing the issue, while the other user hasn't said much, just how it looks nicer. Thank you.++aviper2k7++ 03:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted it because it was tagged as a redundant image, which is speedyable under CSD I1. I am not a party to this dispute so I had no idea that a discussion was going on ... I simply looked at the two images, saw them to be the same except for resolution, and deleted the smaller one. I have restored it per your request so the discussion can go on. I have no particular interest ... I was just going through CAT:CSD. ;) --BigDT 03:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

BJBot/IFDBot

I'm working on finishing the preliminary code for an IFD bot, the current plan is to check all the images in Categories: Images and media for deletion and see if they have been listed in the last 20 days else relist them at the current IFD page. The first run is going to dump to a user sub page as to not flood IFD so an admin will have to go through them (aprox 300). I was looking for input you had and how often you think it should run. BJ 17:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess as often as is possible/feasible. I don't see any downside to having constantly updated data ... so as often as it can be run without putting a strain on resources would seem logical to me. --BigDT 23:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Setting up thumb images to print from articles

Hi, BigDT... Now I find that two of the thumb images in the Capers McDonald article are not printing (or showing on print preview, either). They appear to be formatted exactly as thumb images that print from other articles. Also, frustratingly, they show and print when in Editing Preview mode, but not when saved. They are the "MBA Fellows Program" and "BioAlliance visit" thumbs... Any quick ideas? Thanks, Wikipedalist 21:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as printing goes, try going to "Page setup" and changing it from portrait to landscape mode. It looks like portrait is just too narrow for whatever HTML Misplaced Pages is generating to fit everything on the page. As far as the image not showing up in the article, are you still having a problem with it? I looked at the article and the images look fine. If the problem is still occuring, what browser are you using? --BigDT 23:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Scouting Barnstar

-for getting us squared away on image tagging and all that goes with it. (talk Rlevse 23:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. --BigDT 23:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Vigil Sash - Fair Use issues

Just noticed that you have the vigil sash image on your user page. It has been correctly re-licensed to a fair use license under {{scoutlogo}}. I recommend Image:OAArrowVigil.svg as a replacement. --NThurston 14:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it ... thanks ... that image didn't used to be tagged as fair use ... and I never even noticed until now that it actually was the real sash. --BigDT 02:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Need input

Dave-need input here- User_talk:Rlevse#Gold_Eagle_.26_Gilwell_Logo_images Rlevse 22:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Your (mine) recent edits

Hi. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but every edit you have made for months shows up as being marked minor. Please see Special:Contributions/Abu_badali. You may have accidentally turned on the "Mark all edits minor by default" feature on the "Editing" tab of "my preferences". In general, minor edit should only be used for things like fixing typos, formatting, or reverting vandalism. --BigDT 05:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It was indeed turned on (since ages). I will fix that! Thanks and sorry for the mess. --Abu badali 13:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Marshall

I saw the block notice. Thanks for letting me know. Re. RFA: I've thought about it, but I have a tendency to bite possible vandals to quickly. Michaelbusch 06:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you ever are interested in going through it, please feel free to ask and I'd be happy to nominate. Misplaced Pages needs more admins. BigDT 06:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

My unblock

I just wanted to personally thank you for you unblocking of my page, and I have read and will adhere to your message and the guidelines of Misplaced Pages. I appreciate everything that you have done and I hope that you and I will stay connected via Wiki. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soccerkidjp (talk • contribs)

You're welcome. I am glad that you are interested in contributing. --BigDT 14:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

Thanks for welcoming me to Misplaced Pages!