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Formatting

I added a new picture, could someone format the page? Thanks!-Hairchrm 03:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

WRONG PAINTING

The painting The Plowing in the Nivernais currently shown is by AUGUSTE Bonheur, NOT Rosa Bonheur. Somebody uploaded the wrong painting. Both sisters made paintings by the same name.

Auguste was Rosa's Brother, not her sister. Her sister's name was Juliette, also a painter. Since the Plowing in the Nivernais painting you cite has been removed, I cannot comment on your accuracy on that account. 66.245.158.23 10:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 08:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

This article is a mess

Over time I will attempt to fix this article, but it must be said that at present it is a total mess. There are so many egregious errors of fact here that it boggles the mind. Paintings are/were miss-named, said to be in the wrong locations, genders of persons described were switched, politicians and religious figures became painting instructors, occurrences are out of order. It is probably the worst article I have stumbled upon on the Wiki. Yikes! Saudade7 18:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Presentation of an artist

More of her pictures would be good. Like

, Hafspajen (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

File:André Adolphe-Eugène Disdéri (French - (Rosa Bonheur) - Google Art Project.jpg file is better than the last picture used of her, I think it would be an improvment ...Hafspajen (talk) 18:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

On gender issues

This edit by AyeolaWhitworth2 was reverted because of improper citation formatting, not because sources were unreliable (as stated here). With correct formatting and further verification such an edit may be more appropriate. Coldcreation (talk) 07:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Similar stuff (but better referenced) was largely removed a year ago, which may have been a mistake. Global "trousers" please, not Yankee Imperialist "pants"! And that para was far too long etc. Johnbod (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Now we have this, by AyeolaWhitworth3], which I've had to tidy, as it was all bold. Johnbod (talk) 01:19, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Image from this article to appear as POTD soon

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Anna Klumpke - Portrait of Rosa Bonheur (1898).jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on 8 November 2018. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2018-11-08. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 17:05, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Picture of the day

Rosa Bonheur (1822–1899) was a French artist, painter of animals, and sculptor, known for her artistic realism. Born in Bordeaux into a family of artists, she moved to Paris at the age of six. Spending much of her time drawing from an early age, Bonheur had a difficult childhood and was expelled from several schools, eventually being trained as a painter by her father. A French government commission led to Bonheur's first great success, Ploughing in the Nivernais, exhibited in 1849. In 1855 she completed The Horse Fair, which is regarded as her most famous work.

This oil-on-canvas portrait of Bonheur, titled Rosa Bonheur, was completed in 1898 by American artist Anna Elizabeth Klumpke, a long-time admirer of Bonheur's work.Painting: Anna Klumpke

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source Janson&Janson

When trying to clean up the references, I found a link to Janson&Janson (History of Art). It has an ISBN nr. But this number points to an edition that has no text on Bonheur on p. 674 (at least not according to the Google books version. Which edition is meant? Is it ISBN 0-13-182895-9 (Google Books), OCLC 941422507, so Rev. 6th ed., 2004 (Upper Saddle River, N.J. Prentice-Hall) and is the page nr. 674 correct for the credits in footnote 4 (end of lead section)? Or is a different edition used? There is another ref to J&J at footnote 25! Please help! --Dick Bos (talk) 07:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Easier to find a better source probably. If you mean note 4, that should not be hard, & can probably be done from ones on the page already. Some here. Johnbod (talk) 16:23, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I added a clarification needed about widely considered to be the most famous female painter of the nineteenth century. On my way to the library to check Janson&Janson. If there is nothing on Bonheur, the statement will have to be removed. Cordially, Msbbb (talk) 16:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Or another source found - you might check while you're there. Who did you have in mind as runner-up? Johnbod (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Cassatt? Morisot? It's the widely and 'most famous that I find a bit excessive. Still working on sources.

Since I have your attention, I also find the Personal life and legacy section a little overboard: a sense of identity, broadcast her sexuality seem to be a personal interpretation of what is known. I have a quotation (but must find the source) that could be read as RB not wanting to broadcast anything besides her art; could also be interpreted as her way of hiding her sexuality: "But the suit I wear is my work attire, and nothing else. The epithets of imbeciles have never bothered me". I don't know what epithets she is referring to, could venture a guess. --Msbbb (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Found the quote: . Chrysler Museum but no solid reference for the quote. However, also quoted by Christie's --Msbbb (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not a "quote" but an opinion, or statement of fact. See the google books search at the top of this section. Also see the edit history of the article on lesbianness - I recently got reverted by a sockpuppet over this - I don't support "openly". Cassatt (still mainly a US thing) & Morisot were far less famous at the time, but have been gaining ground in recent decades. Elizabeth Thompson (Lady Butler) was a competitor in the UK, far more famous in her lifetime & long afterwards - if only she'd worn trousers. Johnbod (talk) 12:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Not a quote? It's written as a "quote" on the Christie's site. Meanwhile, I got access to more articles about her fame and the fact that she was written about in the US during her lifetime would indicate that she was indeed famous beyond France. Revert: you mean the one by Chiltern, with the "don't be ridiculous" comment? Msbbb (talk) 16:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Of course she was "famous beyond France" - have you actually read the article? Johnbod (talk) 17:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Have I actually read the article? Maybe not, although I thought I had read it, and also Misplaced Pages articles in other languages. My impression was that the article in English was a tad overboard, hence my messages on this discussion page. But hey, if it turns out that I was wrong, so be it! 02:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msbbb (talk • contribs)

Roja behna

Voice concern 2402:8100:2563:41E7:90E6:D053:CB53:EB5 (talk) 01:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect date

Please fix the statement in “Personal life and legacy” that says, ‘Until 2013 women in France were forbidden from wearing trousers…’ 2600:1000:B10A:AEA6:A054:79FD:8B07:55C (talk) 11:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Gratuitous focus on her sexuality

This article focuses unnecessarily on Bonheur's sexuality, mentioning "lesbian" no less than six times. It also gratuitously brings up lesbian sexual positions, which are completely irrelevant to her art. I can only imaging whomever wrote this threw that in because it's all they can think about whenever they learn a woman is not straight.

Please remove the unnecessary mentions of lesbianism and help make this article more equal to those about male artists and more respectful of Bonheur as a person, not just a lesbian. 2600:1017:B0A0:5F23:E55F:6936:EEB3:9D9D (talk) 13:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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