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SPECIFICO

SPECIFICO is warned to be more civil in the American Politics topic area and Misplaced Pages more generally. --Guerillero 14:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning SPECIFICO

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Mhawk10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: SPECIFICO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Discretionary sanctions (1992 cutoff)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

8 May 2022 Baseless accusations of "meatpuppetry"
8 May 2022 Reiterating baseless accusations of "meatpupperty" and falsely accusing me of violating discretionary sanctions
9 May 2022 Using an article talk page to falsely and baselessly accuse me of violating discretionary sanctions

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

14 September 2014 User:SPECIFICO is warned that any such anti-community behaviour may lead to a site ban
3 June 2018 SPECIFICO knows very well that rewording or attempting to summarize what may be existing content can be quite contentious and edit warring to retain this rewording or new summary is in no way "reverting to longstanding stable content". This was the second time in just over two days where SPECIFICO incorrectly claimed to be reverting to longstanding content or content that had consensus. That's two strikes. A third strike involving an article covered by discretionary sanctions will likely mean sanctions will be imposed (internal links transformed to notes for template reasons).
Previously given a logged warning for conduct in the area of conflict on 9 April 2020 by Seraphimblade (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) with the note that SPECIFICO is reminded that talk pages are for discussing article content, not contributors, and warned that continuing to make personal comments about other editors on article talk pages may result in sanctions.

Notes

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

The user issued a discretionary sanction warning on the topic within the past twelve months on 17 August 2021

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

To provide context to the above, I have repeatedly asked the user to retract their accusations of meatpuppetry and they've refused to do so. This all spurred from my response to a request on WP:RFCLOSE in which I closed a discussion on the article talk page. SPECIFICO has repeatedly made false allegations that I am acting as a meatpuppet of Iamreallygoodatcheckers, refused to strike that characterization or apologize, and then baselessly made allegations on an article talk page that I violated discretionary sanctions by editing a page to which they clearly do not apply. It's frankly uncivil at this point and, while I am someone who generally enjoys wading through discussions and writing closing summaries of complex RfCs, this sort of uncivil behavior towards an uninvolved closer that stems from a content dispute in which SPECIFICO is a party has driven me here to request that the user be given a final warning on civility and casting aspersions in the WP:AP2 topic area.

@Space4Time3Continuum2x: I don't know how you are meatpuppeting the agenda of X user is to be read except to be an accusation that I am meatpuppeting. While I agree that an indef T-ban is excessive, I would still like an apology from the SPECIFICO for casting this aspersion against me and I would also like the user to be either given a final warning or to be put on civility parole. The rate at which these sorts of interactions occur in the AMPOL area are part of the reason that I have more hesitation when deciding to make RfC closures in the that area, even though I generally enjoy closing complex discussions. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 01:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC); @SPECIFICO: I accept your apology. I agree that creating #58 was not optimal its initial phrasing, though as I've explained on the article talk page, the close was written in a way that made it clear that there was no affirmative consensus for Iamreallygoodatcheckers's sentence to be included as written. I am happy to see that editors were able to come to an agreement on the content dispute following the closure of the discussion. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 05:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC); To echo Nableezy, I don't think that an AmPol topic ban is the most narrowly tailored solution here. Out of the top twenty pages Specifico has made edits to, the majority have involved edits related to American Politics. If the issue that administrators see is a civility issue, then I re-emphasize that the user should be given a final warning and placed on civility parole. This would allow for the editor to continue to make productive edits in the topic area, while also allowing for a mechanism to deter future issues with civility with clear enforcement mechanisms should civility remain an issue. A topic ban, however, seems to be a bit much at this point, especially given the editor's lack of any sort of sanction or logged warning in this topic area since 2020. The editor has made a good-faith apology here and I think the editor would be willing to make a good-faith effort to remain civil going forward. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 01:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

02:49, 10 May 2022

Discussion concerning SPECIFICO

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
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Statement by SPECIFICO

As I've said elsewhere, I stupidly misused the term "meatpuppeting", which I later looked up and learned did not apply to this situation. However, I explained in some detail the concerns I had about what I feel was OP's undue endorsement of Chex' viewpoint on this issue both in the RfC close and in OP's subsequent creation at Chex' request of a redundant "consensus 58" incorporating the (IMO) flaws of OP's close, when there was no new consensus. So if an apology will resolove this, Hawk you have my apology for using that term "meatpuppeting". SPECIFICO talk 15:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Aside from reading that Ernie says, w/o evidence that I'm "sneaky" and that North remembers something unspecified from a decade back, as does G, I am not seeing anything sanction-worthy or anything regrettable aside from my misuse of MEATPUPPET, for which I've abjectly apologized. Frankly, the closer and Chex were rather unresponsive to a direct concern about the content and their editing of it and I thought trying to identify my concern (which I bungled after Hawk doubled down) was a better move than tying up editor resources by requesting a close review on a minor matter. SPECIFICO talk 23:21, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I hope everyone here actually follows the links and reviews the threads that show the content dispute referenced by @CutePeach: so as to properly evaluate its relevance to this complaint. (BTW, yes, WSJ is a corporate affiliate of the NY Post and yes that is a matter of mainstream concern, e.g. . Thank you, SpaceX, for providing context to some of the other discussion here. It's good example of why the context needs to be independently researched by all of us reading noticeboard postings, and I hope all assertions in this thread will be similarly scrutinized by all who care. SPECIFICO talk 14:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

@Seraphimbade and El C: With due respect for your volunteer efforts, I am at a loss to see any documented basis for your repeated assertions that I am habitiually uncivil let alone that my contuing participation at AP articles is or would be disruptive to article content or talk page collaboration. We all presume you are not merely counting heads on this thread or taking at face value various assertions without thoroughly investigating the context. Checkers self-describes a young and inexperienced editor, so nobody should be surprised that he has at times been overly insistent on talk page threads in ways that have been pointed out to him by various editors, not just by me. I've given him some good advice on other modes of pursuing his views, and he has adopted some of what I'v'e told him in the past. In the present case, I would have hoped that you Admins looked on his talk page when he commented here. His misunderstanding of WP:TE and the confusion between Sealion and WP:Sealion that led to him mistakenly accusing me of attacking him have been fully hashed out. Yes when he was starting out here,he was IMO sealioning and tendentiously repeating views after they'd failed to achieve consusus. I advised him on that on at least two occasions and explained to him how he could use sitewide noticeboards like BLPN and Close Review to ensure that his views were fully considered. On the occasion he As I told him, I had no intention of reporting that for enforcement. I would be disappointed if either of you Admins, in light of the context, would conclude that going to his user talk to raise that issue away from the article pages was unusual or outside of WP norms or agree with his feeling that I was threatening him when I made a point of telling him I was not going to seek enforcement. Looking at that TE thread he cites in his comment below, please consider, Admins, whether you agree with his asssertion that I did not identify the TE, when I twice stated that it was due to his having gone to the article as soon as the RfC ended, to reintroduce the text for which his RfC sought and failed to get approval. It turned out later, evidently, that Checkers was not aware of the full text of [WP:TE which I then quoted to him on his talk page and for which he thanked me.

At any rate, after Hawk's complaint was amicably resolved between the two of us, this thread now appears to be turning to undocumented assertions of a serious ongoing problem. The two most active and experienced AP content editors who've commented have disagreed with that view. Of course Admins have the authority to sanction in the DS areas without waiting for an AE filing, but the community expects such actions to be based on documentation and reasoned evaluation. AE has been an acknowledged work in progress for the community, with Arbcom well into the second year of working on improvements. Along with the necessary sanctions on clearly bad actors, there have also been too many questionable decisions that have led to the retirement of some of our best content editors in the AP area after overly aggressive and poorly reasoned applications of DS.

Reflecting on the valid portion of the concerns raised here, I think it's clear that (due to IRL reasons and time pressures beyond the scope of this discussion) I have been too careless in my use of links as shorthand for specific complex issues. I misused WP:Sealion instead of Sealion. I referred to WP:TE to an editor who apparently was not fully aware of its text, and I misapplied WP:meatpuppet intending the incorrect meaning that's already been explained and now resolved. So If I were an Admin closing this thread, I would warn SPECIFICO not to rely on links on another user's talk page without also giving a detailed explanation of the issues and why I feel they apply. In my opinion that would be constructive advice worth giving and following. I don't expect to comment further unless I'm asked to respond to a question.. SPECIFICO talk 14:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Just a quick further comment concerning the participation of Mr Ernie here. Ernie was banned from participating at AE by @Sandstein: in this diff due to behavior similar to what he's done in this thread. Sandstein later granted Ernie's appeal based on Ernie's statements that he would not repeat such behavior and further that he did not even intend to participate at AE, here. Ernie regularly appears at various pages to support sanctions against me, but given the above, I was surprised to see him appear on this thread at AE, with off-topic disparagement ("sneaky") and the several comments about me and Assange. SPECIFICO talk 01:54, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers

I have been interacting with SPECIFICO for some time now (mainly at Talk:Donald Trump), and while much of it has been fine, I have definitely experienced some of SPECIFCO's uncivil behavior. I've usually tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and just ignore it, but their uncivil behavior has in fact caused me some deal of anxiety and frustration, which has created a toxic environment in areas surrounding American politics.

The following comments concern this discussion: User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers/Archive 2#WP:NPA at Trump talk. On March 4th they left an accusation on my talk page with no sort of evidence, such as diffs, accusing me of violation WP:NPA. I responded saying that I had done not such thing. In that same thread, Mr Ernie warned them about providing unevidenced allegations. SPECIFICO made no response to mine or Ernies comments. On March 6th, SPECFICO accused me of WP:Casting aspersions, this time providing this diff. Now this is a response I had made on the Trump talk page after SPECIFICO had accused me of WP:SEALION, a redirect to WP:Civil POV pushing, here. With this diff SPECIFICO, says that I casted aspersions and assuring the links (WP:SEALION and WP:Civil POV pushing) are not the same. Now these links very much are the same, just click them if you don't believe me. I and Mr. Ernie again told them to stop with the behavior and that SEALION is the same as Civil POV pushing. SPECIFICO only admitted they were wrong about SEALION and Civil POV pushing after Valjean explained to them that they did in fact cite WP:SEALION against me. However, SPECICIO continued to say that "the problem remained," and that I was sealioning from their understanding. They did not provide any evidence to back these allegations, a fact that is pointed out by Ernie in the discussion. I never have received any form of apology or comment striking (after my request) for SPECICO's false allegations against me of NPA. Relevant diffs:

SPECICO has done this to me again just this week on my talk page (see User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers#WP:TE at Donald Trump). They accuse me with no evidence of any kind with WP:TE and "overly-insistent and POV editing at AP and BLP articles." They say they are "unlikely to do the work to document" my behavior, which I see as justification on their behalf of providing zero evidence. They also say my behavior is "worthy of a topic ban" in their view. I tell them to please stop with their behavior and that it's caused me stress and created a toxic environment. I have yet to receive any response from them. As detailed above by Mhawk, they have also accused me and Mhawk of meatpuppetting together, an allegation with no evidence. All this is WP:Casting aspersions and potentially WP:HOUND. Relevant diffs:

Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

At SPECIFICO's request, I'm linking this discussion that provides further context on some of concerns above. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Mr Ernie

SPECIFICO violated DS at Julian Assange, another politically charged article, a few weeks ago. There is a section on their talk page with the details of that here. What I want to highlight is one of the reverts (), removed content that was decided by RFC consensus just a few weeks ago, with SPECIFICO's participation. Note the RFC was required in part due to SPECIFICO's removal of the content before the RFC. Read the edit summary in the removal after RFC consensus - "NOTNEWS - not a significant fact about Assange No ongoing coverage in his life story." This is a sneaky move to remove content they simply just don't like, and SPECIFICO didn't seem interested to explain it in the linked discussion on their talk page. I don't think another final warning will do any good here - just check the sanction log. In addition to what the OP linked, SPECIFICO received a short topic ban from Joe Biden in 2020, a short topic ban from Julian Assange in 2020, a reminder and a warning in 2018, "Anti-Filibuster, Courtesy in reporting, No personal comments, and Thicker skin sanctions" in 2018, a restriction in 2017, and a warning in 2017. A standard AmPol2 topic ban should do, and I'll support the removal of it when SPECIFICO simply agrees to edit more collaboratively. Mr Ernie (talk) 15:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

A few months ago SPECIFICO disputed content at Assange (, , ). There was a lengthy talk discussion which resulted in consensus for inclusion (), but SPECIFICO insisted on an RFC in this section . The RFC ran and concluded with consensus for inclusion, despite SPECIFICO canvassing noticeboards ( ) with a note disparaging participating editors. You can see the same type of behavior in my original post, with SPECIFICO forcing an RFC for content they don't like, and a few weeks after it closes with consensus SPECIFICO removes the content, again, () with a misleading edit summary. There are no reminders or warnings that have lead to any change in editing behavior in at least the last 8 years (noting NYB was on the Committee in the 2 cases linked below where SPECIFICO was sanctioned.) We've seen it over and over and over and over, disagreements on content that lead to personalizations of disputes. I don't understand why a preventative topic ban should not be imposed, which can easily be removed after an appeal by SPECIFICO addressing the issues that have been brought up. Another warning is easily ignored and requires no change of behavior. I urge consideration of a topic ban at least at Assange if there is no appetite for an overall AP one. Mr Ernie (talk) 15:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Is more time needed before this can be closed? Or more diffs, or what? It's been more than a week, with 5 admins in favor of a sanction of some sorts and 2 who are not. Mr Ernie (talk) 18:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Sideswipe9th (SPECIFICO)

I don't have much to add, only that I believe this ds/alert issued by SPECIFICO could be construed as reactive to the content dispute between SPECIFICO and Mhawk10. Also from what I can tell, the 1RR/24-hour BRD page restriction point is erroneous with respect to Talk:Donald Trump, as having checked the enforcement log entry that sanction only applies (as far as I can see) to the main article and not the associated article talk pages. From what I've seen elsewhere in the enforcement log, when an article and its talk page is subject to sanctions there is usually some text like Article Name and its associated talk page which is absent in this log entry. Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Space4Time3Continuum2x

Seems like a spat arising from a content dispute between two of the most active editors on Donald Trump that could and should be settled among the editors involved. (The content dispute appears to have been solved for now, with none of us getting our preferred versions.) Meatpuppeting — I don’t think that applies, but the term seems to be directed more against Iamreallygoodatcheckers than Mhawk10 who got caught in the middle of the dispute. The suggested indefinite topic ban from American politics seems over the top. I don’t see the relevance of two sanctions in other areas eight years ago, or how this is worse than this incident of disruptive behavior which resulted in zero action. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Adding context to the warning on June 3, 2018, FWIW. I doubt that any editor other than Winkelvi would have taken that interaction to the noticeboard after a discussion lasting exactly one hour (well, maybe D. Creish, banned from all Wikimedia sites since March 2019 and one of the other editors involved in the edits from this one to this one, would have). Winkelvi racked up 13 blocks between 2014 and 2018, including an indefinite one in November 2018. Their request to unblock was denied in 2019. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 13:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

@CutePeach: FYI: The Wall Street Journal, through its parent company Dow Jones & Co., and the NY Post, through its parent company NYP Holdings, are owned by the same third party, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. That makes them affiliates. A few sources explaining "affiliates": , , , . Whether or not that needed to go into the article and whether or not it was sourced or needed to be sourced is a different matter but that's been taken care of through normal editing by several editors at least eight months ago. Apropos bias, this, really? Three sketchy sources reporting on a story in the Daily Mail (it's on WP's deprecated sources list) and a misquoted fourth source. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 15:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@CutePeach: If I had been involved in that article, I would have immediately challenged, i.e., removed, the section on not one, but two opinion pieces written by a member of the WSJ editorial board, citing WP:BLPBALANCE, WP:WEIGHT, and WP:NPOV. The WSJ editorial board is well-known for its right-wing political stance, and their news side has been upset about it for years (CJR, NYM). The statement that the WSJ is a NY Post affiliate was unsourced but challenged material is removed from WP all the time through normal editing. Hushed-up — seems to me that there was plenty of coverage, just not the 2016-kind hoped for by Bannon researcher Maxey, Giuliani, and the NY Post, the immensely reliable parties involved in the lack of a "clean chain of custody" (WaPo). Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 12:17, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Valjean

I agree with Space4Time3Continuum2x that an indef topic ban is way over the top, and such old incidents should not be entered as evidence. The real issue is civility, and a warning is justified. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 02:48, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I support the concerns from Mhawk10 and Nableezy. An AmPol topic ban is over-the-top, whereas a civility parole would deal with the real problem. Considering the apology has been accepted, we're in a situation that amounts to the police dropping all charges, but the judge still issuing a death sentence, rather than a fine (a civility parole). One should also keep in mind that previous accusations made by one of the most tendentious editors we've seen in the AmPol area, who has been banned, should not be counted against SPECIFICO. We should never side with the bad faith accusations from such people. Being attacked by such a person is a badge of honor that shows that SPECIFICO must have been doing something right, rather than wrong. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by North8000

I've not had interactions since many many years ago. But back then was similar to the above. Including IMO false accusations as a tactic in AP debates. Something to lessen the grief for other editors and help SPECIFICO Wiki-evolve would be good. North8000 (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

A statement to sincerely work towards a goal of always wearing a wiki-hat (not pov-hat) first when working at articles, and being sure to only make firmly justified complaints about editors (never ginned up as a tactic in debates) would be cool and maybe set a course for a more fun future. With no implication that those negative things occurred, and just a goal so that it doesn't create a minefield for SPECIFICO. North8000 (talk) 15:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Comment by GoodDay

FWIW what exactly is an AP topic ban? I assuming it's American politics. GoodDay (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Nableezy

Theres been an apology, the apology has been accepted, the person who requested sanctions says an indef topic ban is over the top, but thats what is seriously being discussed below. That is the cause of this complaint has been resolved according to the person who opened it, and they say the proposed sanction even prior to the apology was overkill, and yet that appears to be what yall going to settle on. Seems a bit extreme. Just a wee bit. nableezy - 20:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Feel like a two week turnaround time is pushing it here. nableezy - 19:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by CutePeach

I encountered SPECIFICO when I created Hunter Biden laptop controversy to separate the issue from the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article, and I was less than impressed with this editor's deletion of WP:DUE content - while an AFD was ongoing . I found SPECIFICO's interpretation of WP:BLP and WP:NOR to be highly egregious in the TP discussions , and they led to the deletion of the page, which has since been restored. Furthermore, their repeated attempts to call WSJ an "affiliate" of NY Post and TP arguments to put this unsourced allegation in wikivoice - was not only a violation of WP:NOR, but also WP:RS. I refuse to believe that an editor as experienced as SPECIFICO was unaware then, as he seemingly is now, of such core policies and how they are applied. As harsh as the topic ban may seem, I think this incident and those mentioned by Mhawk10 and Mr Ernie, show that this editor is unable to leave their POV at the door when editing AP articles. I think an indef topic ban from AP may be what is required to communicate to experienced editors that such conduct can and will be sanctioned. As a valued member of the community, I'm sure SPECIFICO's appeal will be accepted after six months. CutePeach (talk) 10:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I do hope everyone here does reads the links I referenced, as SPECIFICO advises, since they show a flagrant violation of WP:NOR in order to WP:PUSH a POV about the Wall Street Journal. The Washington Post article SPECIFICO now references to justify the allegation they put in Wikivoice - that the WSJ is an affiliate of the New York Post - is not only a violation of WP:NOR, but also WP:SYNTH. I completely agree with the WaPo article about the WSJ pushing the letters-to-the-editor boundary, but it has nothing to do with the Hunter Biden laptop saga,and it does not call into question the WSJ's editorial independence. SPECIFICO's position on Hunter Biden laptop controversy page, just like their position on the Julian Assange page, was widely opposed, yet they went against it - and continue to justify it. As I previously stated, this demonstrates that the editor is unable to edit without including their unsourced POV, and this warrants sanctions, or at least a logged warning - to prevent this from happening again. If admins Newyorkbrad, Bishonen and Seraphimblade are just going to let this slide, then this is evidence of administrators enabling the Ideological bias on Misplaced Pages through selective enforcement of WP:PAGs, which can be cited in a WP:ARBCOM case request on this matter. I will be interested to observe how administrators enforce policy with editors from the other side of the aisle facing the same charges. CutePeach (talk) 04:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
@Space4Time3Continuum2x: I am well aware that The Wall Street Journal and The New York Post both belong to Newcorp, making them affiliates by any dictionary definition, but that is not the issue. The WP:OR and WP:SYNTH problems were in the way SPECIFICO presented their unsourced claim to discredit a WSJ editorial board member criticizing the media's lacklustre coverage of the controversy. SPECIFICO violated WP:OR and WP:SYNTH in three ways: 1) claiming in Wikivoice that what the WSJ editorial alleged was but a Fox News allegation, , 2) injecting the insourced affiliation claim in Wikivoice to temper the Jenkins criticism , and 3) deleting the section entirely . As I've said before, I personally don't believe there to be anything very nefarious in the Hunter Biden's laptop/s, but the way the media hushed it up only fanned the flames of controversy, and efforts like SPECIFICO's attempts to confound this controversy with the conspiracy theory have damaged Misplaced Pages's credibility on the subject. The VanityFair article they rely on for the affiliate claim cannot be used for any statements of fact in our voice, and it had no bearing on the Jenkins oped, which came out months later. To claim that WSJ editorial board isn't independent of its proprietorship is an WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim that needs very robust sourcing, and SPECIFICO should have known better. If they persist with these shenanigans, we are going to be right back here, and very soon. CutePeach (talk) 00:29, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning SPECIFICO

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Beyond what Mr Ernie and Mhawk10 mentioned, SPECIFICO was sanctioned in Austrian economics and mentioned in Interactions at GGTF (both in 2014). It is clear to me that the only path forward is an indef topic ban from AP. --Guerillero 17:08, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
We can move forward without any action, but I have a strong feeling that we will be back here having this very same discussion in a few months -- Guerillero 09:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Topic ban isn't the cure. In fact, since DS should only be used when regular sanctions aren't sufficient, I don't see a need for DS sanctions at all, since civility is the issue, and it is an ongoing issue everywhere, not just in AP2. It's not a daily thing, but the civility issue has cropped up a few times over the last year. I think something needs to happen, but in a general way, as the issue transcends AP2 and is wiki-wide. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:27, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I see the long-term pattern being around things that can be connected to AP in one way or another -- Guerillero 21:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
If you are confident it does tie to AP and a tban is warranted, I understand, however, I still think starting with an indef is a bit harsh for a pattern of incivility issues that (individually) has been insufficient to warrant a block. I DO agree that something needs to be done, not for this single incident, but for the pattern that has evolved over the last year. Frankly, I was thinking a 30 day block, but a 6 month tban may work. SPECIFICO has been here awhile, long enough to know better, but has also done some worthwhile work. I'm willing to defer here, but prefer something shorter than indef. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:27, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm still of the mind that a short block could be warranted, but I still can't see an indef tban as the best solution. Arguably, it is already settled and no sanction is required, but if the consensus is to sanction, a block is the only thing that really makes sense to me. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
I admit I'm not terribly active on AP so it's taken me several days to dig through the background here, however, insofar as I read the history I'm inclined to agree with Guerillero on the utility and justifiability of an indef TBAN. Working our way up from 30- to 90- to 180-days, etc., would be punitive in my estimation by meting out a "sentence" in the absence an objective reason to believe a specific time period is necessary. An indefinite ban merely acknowledges this is a protective, not a judicial, measure and the editor can freely request to have it lifted at any time in the future, whether that's next week or next year. Chetsford (talk) 13:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Concur with @Guerillero and Chetsford: indef AP TBAN is probably best at this point. Dennis Brown, similarly to Guerillero, in my experience, AP has been the nexus behind most problems concerning SPECIFICO. But I could also see myself supporting a well thought out appeal in, say, 6 months. Also, similarly to Chetsford (and for similar reasoning), I am generally opposed to TBANs that have a precise expiration, which of course has nothing to do with SPECIFICO themselves. El_C 19:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I think we've about reached the point here where we can say that warnings have ~~not~~ been ineffective, and so some action is needed. It seems the general consensus is for an AP topic ban, and I would agree to that. I do not generally like time-limited topic bans for the reason given above, though in this case I would certainly be willing to consider an appeal after some time has passed; "indefinite" need not mean "permanent". I do not agree with the above that, since other editors are uncivil, we should not do anything about individual editors who are being uncivil—indeed, perhaps if enforcement were more frequently done, we would start seeing that practice curbed. Seraphimblade 18:26, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I will, with some reluctance, agree to not imposing a topic ban at this point, given that the issue has been resolved. However, I will entirely endorse what Newyorkbrad had to say regarding the future. Seraphimblade 19:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Although SPECIFICO should be more cautious about her use of wiki-speak in making accusations, and better still should just stop making accusations against other editors period, I cannot agree that a topic-ban is warranted resulting from this incident, which has been resolved to the satisfaction of the editor who filed the report. Newyorkbrad (talk) 06:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @SPECIFICO: If you are not topic-banned at this time (the outcome is not yet determined), please conduct yourself going-forward in a way that doesn't lead to your being well-groundedly brought back here, because the result next time might well be different. We have several experienced administrators above opining that you should be excused from the American politics topic-area based on the accumulation of prior incidents, and while I currently disagree with them, it's understandable why they might feel that way. Please do your best from now on to stay away from even the borderline of what might be considered personal attacks or accusations. At times this is best achieved by stepping away from the keyboard. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:27, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree completely with Newyorkbrad. Bishonen | tålk 21:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC).
I think that this can be closed with a formal warning to SPECIFICO to be careful going forwards with regards to (a) their general civility on Misplaced Pages, and (b) the American politics topic area. If there are future issues regarding either then there is a very high likelihood that formal sanctions, such as an indefinite topic ban, will be the result. Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Director of Editing and New Content

Director of Editing and New Content blocked indef (with TPA revoked) as a normal admin action. El_C 19:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Director of Editing and New Content

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Huldra (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Director of Editing and New Content (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:A/I/PIA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

18:25, 16 May 2022 new editor adds hospital as being in "Israel" (hospital is located in area occupied by Israel since 1967)
23:50, 16 May 2022 same
18:30, 17 May 2022 same
05:56, 19 May 2022 same
02:19, 20 May 2022 same
06:54, 22 May 2022 same

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

none (new editor)

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Alert given 22:23, 18 May 2022

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

New editor (with less that 500 edits) edit-wars to say that hospital in the Israeli-occupied areas is "in Israel". They removes alert I gave them, when I gave them a "last warning", they removed that, too. They obviously are not listening to me, perhaps they will listen to admins? Huldra (talk) 21:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Director of Editing and New Content

Statement by Director of Editing and New Content

Statement by Selfstudier

Account is blocked now anyway (username vio). Selfstudier (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Orangemike

After being blocked as a role account (a job title is not an acceptable username), user "responded" by deleting the block notice, as well as prior warning content. I then revoked talk page access. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Result concerning Director of Editing and New Content

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Abrvagl

Request concerning Abrvagl

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: ZaniGiovanni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Abrvagl (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:ARBAA2

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

14 April 2022 removes sourced information from lead
16 April 2022 removes sourced information from lead
29 April 2022 removes sourced information from lead
22 May 2022 removes sourced information from lead

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If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 26 January 2022

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Abrvagl repeatedly tries to remove the 2020 Ganja missile attacks being a response for the 2020 bombardment of Stepanakert from the lead, despite there being multiple sources confirming this, as has been explained to Abrvagl many time on the talk page.

Abrvagl also tries to add expressions of MOS:DOUBT further down in the article by writing, "According the Armenian sources, Ganja was hit in response to...". Eurasianet is clearly not an Armenian source, and the article leaves no doubt about what Abrvagl is trying to dispute: "The conflict zone in the fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan continued to expand, as Azerbaijani forces have hit the de facto capital of Nagorno-Karabakh, Stepanakert, and Armenian forces responded by hitting Azerbaijan’s second-largest city, Ganja.".

The constant WP:SEALIONING of the issue on the talk page, edit-wars, and refusal to drop the stick (doing the same WP:TENDENTIOUS edit even after a month) leaves me no choice but to bring this to AE's attention. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what in the hell was this 7000+byte wall of text? For now, I'll just address these accusations against me.

ZaniGiovanni previously was warned/banned for edit-wars and personal attacks. I observe the same behaviour against me:

You're literally showing my first block when I registered here a year ago and a 72hour block, in an AE case against you, in an attempt to achieve something / browbeat me? I'm so confused.

1. 17:21 I did revert as no consensus was reached. 9 minutes later, at 17:30 uninvolved Zani created a topic on talk-page with +1,879 bytes of text, where he blamed me edit-wars and disruptive editing.

And you were edit-warring and being disruptive, not that it's the first time. That talk consensus is still against you btw, Talk:Melik_Haykaz_Palace#Azerbaijani_sources_refer.

2. Here, I raised issue, as material is not anti-sentiment related. I tried to reach a consensus, but Zani responded: You need to finally read that policy and understand that Misplaced Pages is not a repository for bullshit.

Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. You pick one of my comments, no not even a comment, part of my comment from an overall discussion and present in an AE case against you for what purpose exactly? Do you think I'm going to walk away my statment or something? Yeah, Misplaced Pages isn't a repository for bullshit and I made my reference clear in the full comment (hint: extremely undue gov claim).

ZaniGiovanni shadows me and challenges edits without solid justification. I put efforts to reach consensus, but it mostly ends with him ignoring or me taking obvious edits to the dispute resolution boards. Here Zani argued against the simple BLP issue. Continued to argue even after BLPN. He stopped only after warned

Another example of god knows what that you already showed in ANI against me that resulted in nothing Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1092#User:_ZaniGiovanni. I'm not even going to answer this again. If anyone is interested, please check my first comment in that thread (5th point).

Here is another example, where I provided detailed explanation, Zani replied with irrelevant comment and ignoring me since then, although I reminded him a number of times.

Nobody is interested in your baseless opinions about random talk discussions in here, you need to understand that. I don't plan to reply to every WP:CRUSH comment, and I explained myself pretty clearly in my last comment. You even brought that source in RSN 3 days ago Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Hyperallergic, what is the relevance of it here? Are you just throwing as much pile at me as possible at this point?

Here many editors reached a consensus, but due to Zani this simple edit went through DRN and RfC. Zani never commented to RFC, which supports position of majotiry

What the actual f*ck is happening, what is this essay of rants even suppose to mean? There was a discussion, Abrvagl opened a DRN about it and it resulted in an RfC . Now what are you trying to say again, that I MUST comment in that RfC? To be honest, I'm not interested about that discussion anymore and consensus seems to be formed in that RfC. Now why is this something weirdly being brought up against me, hello?

Tbh I feel like gaslighted by all of these rants against me when I simply showed tendentious edits / edit-wars of Abrvagl and wanted to see a simple and valid explanation. Instead, I received absolute nonsense rants against me in a browbeat attempt and belittling of the actual report against Abrvagl, more than half of those rants were already tried and failed in the past. This editor is too nationalistic for AA topic area, like other editors have also suggested (diff1, diff2, diff3). This rant by them is just another sentiment to it. Sorry for the long comment, most of it was just replies to this slanderous nonsense against me. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I'll address the underwhelming explanations by Abrvagl now:

The statement was added by banned user Steverci. Diff:. Steverci added the statement without consensus: RfC and DnR.

Gross misinterpretation of events. Looking at the RfC, it had no consensus against or for anything, it was literally closed as "Consensus is that this RfC did not conform to WP:RFCNEUTRAL". This doesn't prohibit users to edit the article (btw a user's ban after 7 fucking months of that edit doesn't mean anything, another attempt to belittle something you disagree with) and has nothing to do with the stable version of the article for more than a year that you changed without consensus and edit-warred over a month.

Everything you show below is your attempts of overwriting stable version of the article without any achieved consensus. On their last revert, Abrvagl is casting doubt on a third-party source and attributing statement from it to "Armenian sources" . Clear example of WP:TENDENTIOUS edit and this user's continual disruption of the article.

The majority of reports didnot claim that Ganja was bombarded specifically in response to Stepenakert bombardment and cherripicking a single source and presenting it as fact is a violation of WP:WEIGHT/WP:Neutral.

This doesn't even make sense. Do you have a source disputing Eurasianet? The article makes it very clear that 2020 Ganja missile attacks was a response to 2020 bombardment of Stepanakert, "The conflict zone in the fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan continued to expand, as Azerbaijani forces have hit the de facto capital of Nagorno-Karabakh, Stepanakert, and Armenian forces responded by hitting Azerbaijan’s second-largest city, Ganja.", and you have been explained this many times in the talk discussion. Third party user in talk also disagrees with you .

Your misinterpretation of events and unreasonable justifications for your edit-wars and reverts of stable version aren't convincing. Coupled with the groundless and disgusting rant you posted against me below this "explanation", which btw counts as a personal attack just like all baseless rants/accusations do, I firmly believe that this user isn't qualified to edit in a very contentious topic area like AA2. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:37, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Abrvagl

Statement by Abrvagl

I NEVER removed sourced information.

1.14 April 2022 I rephrased the statement. Reverted by ZaniGiovanni.

2.16 April 2022, I reviewed the case in details, and identified following:

- The statement was added by banned user Steverci. Diff:. Steverci added the statement without consensus: RfC and DnR.

- Provided sources didnot support the statement. All sources are either primary or just quotes primary sources. The statement is WP:SYNTH and not in line with WP:NPOV.

Considering the above, I removed the statement, and in detail explained myself on the talk-page. Zani replied , but his reply was ignoring my points. So I wrote even more detailed explanation for him . Number of times I tried to get solid justifications and answers to my concerns from the Zani , but Zani continued repeating The Armenian sources said it was a response to the Stepanakert shelling, and third party sources covered what the Armenian sources said although I had proved that opposite. Then Zani started ignoring me, and discussions stopped.

3. On 29 April 2022 I reviewed case again, ensured that statement definitely violates Misplaced Pages policies, and removed it again. On 30 April 2022 ZaniReverted edit.

4. On 31 April 2022 ZaniGiovanni added new source. As new source was supporting the statement partially, I proposed a consensus, but Zani ignored me for 3 weeks.

5. On 22 May 2022 I rephrased the statement in line with WP:OR and WP:NPOV and according to last source provided by Zani, in order to reach consensus. Also removed unrelated sources. I left a note on the talk-page. I attributed it to Armenian sources, as an article in the body referring to the Armenian sources.

Then I was going to take it to the NPOV/noticeboard because experts who conducted investigation do not support above statement HRW Amnesty. The majority of reports didnot claim that Ganja was bombarded specifically in response to Stepenakert bombardment and cherripicking a single source and presenting it as fact is a violation of WP:WEIGHT/WP:Neutral.

ZaniGiovanni previously was warned/banned for edit-wars and personal attacks . I observe the same behaviour against me:

1. 17:21 I did revert as no consensus was reached. 9 minutes later, at 17:30 uninvolved Zani created a topic on talk-page with +1,879 bytes of text, where he blamed me edit-wars and disruptive editing.

2. Here, I raised issue, as material is not anti-sentiment related. I tried to reach a consensus, but Zani responded: You need to finally read that policy and understand that Misplaced Pages is not a repository for bullshit.

ZaniGiovanni shadows me and challenges edits without solid justification. I put efforts to reach consensus, but it mostly ends with him ignoring or me taking obvious edits to the dispute resolution boards. Here Zani argued against the simple BLP issue. Continued to argue even after BLPN. He stopped only after warned. Here is another example, where I provided detailed explanation, Zani replied with irrelevant comment and ignoring me since then, although I reminded him a number of times. Here many editors reached a consensus, but due to Zani this simple edit went through DRN and RfC. Zani never commented to RFC, which supports position of majotiry.

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Abrvagl

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As far as the original complaint goes, there's two components: allegations of POV-motivated misrepresentation of sources, and edit warring. I'm somewhat inclined toward lenience on the former because it appears that the only source that actually directly states in its own voice that the Ganja attacks were in response to the Stepanakert attacks wasn't added to that claim directly (it was present elsewhere in the article for other claims) until May 1st, after the first three edits listed here; based on the BBC, Telegraph and Armenian news citations present when this dispute started, it is accurate to state that only Armenian sources connected the two events to the degree that the lead did. There are further attempts to discredit the Eurasianet coverage due to its use of Armenian sources by Abrvagl on the talk page. These attempts are a bridge too far: if Eurasianet is a reliable source, we can trust their journalists to evaluate primary sources and synthesize reliable secondary coverage in their own words––that is the whole point of journalism, and their claims should only be superseded by stronger sources (i.e. peer-reviewed publications or a chorus of journalistic sources with more clout), but I don't think that's necessarily sanctionable in itself, in the absence of a pattern of opportunistic exegesis. However, the edit warring is nevertheless problematic, and I would characterize even the early edits as edit warring, as the implicit consensus of nearly a year of silence erases the murkiness of the consensus when the content at-issue was first introduced. Beyond that, I haven't analyzed any of the tit-for-tat accusations made here in the AE discussion. _signed,Rosguill 03:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

RuudVanClerk

RuudVanClerk has been blocked indefinitely for POV-pushing, battleground editing, and misuse of sources. This is an ordinary admin action. Bishonen | tålk 15:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC).

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning RuudVanClerk

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Uanfala (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: RuudVanClerk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/South Asian social groups

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

RuudVanClerk makes content contributions where the sources consistently fail verification, and whenever the issues are brought up their responses have ranged from deflection to gaslighting.

In this edit RuudVanClerk added a reference to Aparna Rao's 1982 book, which is – conveniently – out of print, held by very few libraries, and in a language that not many people in this topic area can read. Unluckily for them, I was able to access a copy of the book and found out it doesn't have anything remotely resembling the statement they were using it to support. When I brought this up on their talk page, their reply didn't address or even acknowledge the problem . They further stated that they have a copy of the book in question, but when I asked them for quotes, their only response was to promptly blank the entire talk page section . All of that was part of the wider disruption they were causing at Peripatetic groups of Afghanistan (I will provide more details if anyone would like to see them.)

I've also checked a few of RuudVanClerk's other content additions and all have had verifiability problems at various levels of severity. Here are a few examples:

Several edits between 7 and 18 May at the Dhan Singh article (examples: ), which introduced OR and misrepresented the source: this is explained in this talk post
Several edits to the Khatri article from 14 May: completely failed verification, see talk page post
16 May addition to the Bengal Sultanate article where half of the significant claims are not supported by the source cited (talk post)
17 May addition to the Sikhism in Italy article (if you'd like to spot-check a single example, this should be it: the source is very short and freely available online, and it's easy to see how it's been misused) – instances of OR and source misrepresentation (see talk post).

These are not just the mistakes of a new editor who's still learning the ropes here. As can be seen from their participation in discussions, RuudVanClerk themself always repeats the need for sticking to the sources. I suspect this discrepancy isn't due to CIR so much as to POV. The vast majority of their edits are to do with either the Rajputs, or their antagonistic groups. Invariably, the former are cast in a positive light (the Bengal Sultanate edit above involved the plugging of a minor episode of Rajput glory), while the latter are presented in negative terms (among the examples above: the Afghanistan peripatetics case was part of their push to insert the word "Jat" into the title of this article about a stigmatised social category; the other two involved adding negative content about Sikhs and about a Gujjar).

In an effort to keep this report brief, I've kept only the most illustrative events. I'll be happy to provide more context and further diffs if necessary.

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Discussion concerning RuudVanClerk

Statement by RuudVanClerk

(Typing on phone so may be a bit jumbled so do excuse me)

The evidence for arbitration enforce is quite weak. In relation to the first point relating to the article, Peripatetic groups of Afghanistan, the Aparna Rao source itself actually uses Jat in the title itself hence the reason I was in favour of changing the article title. Note the book name: ^ Rao, Aparna (1982). Les Gorbat d'Afghanistan : aspects economiques d'un groupe itinerant "Jat". Editions Recherche sur les civilisations

Rather than disrupting the article when the editor reverted the name, I actually attempted to get a third party to mediate the dispute, see here:

In relation to the Bengal Sultanate claim, how is adding a small paragraph with a source disruptive in any way? It’s a different matter if it’s not reliable but that should be taken to the reliable sources noticeboard.

In relation to the Dhan Singh article, the source literally says that he possibly incited rioters and looters. In fact following our discussion I actually added possibly to reflect that: ]

Your accusations of me glorifying Rajputs are comical but unfortunately also a personal attack on myself. Most of my edits do not even concern Rajputs. You just seem unhappy with my edits but unfortunately for you, Misplaced Pages is an environment where people will inevitably have differing opinions and it is important that you come to terms with that.RuudVanClerk (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I just noticed that a lot of your points are quite general almost like you are trying to pull the wool over the admins eyes. Can you detail what exactly is wrong with this edit on Sikhism in Italy:

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How does this relate to me being a supposedly being a “Rajput supremacist”.RuudVanClerk (talk) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

@Bishonen Will need my French translator tool for the Aparna Rao quote. Please ping me if that is not provided in 24 hours as I am off work tomorrow so will get it done. In relation to Dhan Singh, Uanfala has already provided that quote here:. I will post again as you have unfortunately missed it:

It thus appeared that had informed his fellow Gujars of the outbreak, perhaps even encouraging them to plunder, and now his loyalties were divided

Can you detail how adding this is POV. Can you also detail how adding this is POV. What is my POV, how does this benefit my POV? What does “however difficult” in the beginning meant to imply? I hope no one has joined this discussion with preconceived notions just because one editor has been editing for a longer period. That would be very unfortunate RuudVanClerk (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Further to this @Bishonen, can you detail how changing the title to Jat is POV? An entire encyclopaedia Iranica article uses the term Jat:

Aparna Rao’s own work uses it in its title. Is the late Aparna Rao and Encyclopedia Iranica in league with Rajput supremacists like myself to denigrate others? I merely thought it was right to change it and when challenged requested comments. After that, I subsequently left the issue. I hope I am not being witch hunted here, I would requested other admins to get involved now. This is seriously affecting my mental health which is not what Misplaced Pages is supposed to do.. RuudVanClerk (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
@Abecedare: @Utcursch: @Ad Orientem: Pinging other admins as well for further opinions. Not sure if against the rules to do this, please delete if not.

The crux of the issue is that Bishonen and Uanfala have taken particular issue with two of my edits. One which I have already proven here () is supported by a source. And another which I will endeavour to post the quote of soon. At the very most this is a content dispute however they are accusing/implying that it is POV. Do these edits support the view that it is POV? RuudVanClerk (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The quotes are here.

The quotes in question as requested. Actually located on page 32 instead of 83 (apologies):

“S’aplliquent donc a au moins six groupes qui se distinguent les uns des autres autant par leurs metiers que par leur langue et par leur origne… Bref le term “Jat”, serait un ethnonyme impose”

For those that don’t speak French, they detail the various groups that are termed as Jat including the Baluch, Gorbat, Sadibaz etc. near the end of the extract, the clear use of the word Jat is seen hence my logic in including the word, JAT.

Further down on the same page:

“distingue six groupes jat dispersés dans tout le pays . Si tous ne sont pas d'origine indienne ( les Ghorbat , par exemple…”

The author here clearly mentions that these groups are considered by locals to be of Indian-origin implying a relationship with the Jats of the Indian Subcontinent (detailed under Jat people on Misplaced Pages).

Now many of you may be saying oh it’s in French, we can’t take it seriously but alas, English language commentary on Rao’s work also corroborates this. See here the Encyclopaedia Iranica article (). The quote on this article reads as follows:

“Aparna Rao (2004) lists four general features of the Jāt noted by outsiders to differentiate them from other nomadic and semi-nomadic communities in Afghanistan: (1) They lived in houses in urban areas and in white tents when they lived in rural areas and, in contrast to the black goat’s hair tents of the pastoral nomads, in white tents when they lived in rural areas; (2) they were collectively known as outsiders with Indian origins even though a Jāt community itself, as in the case of the Ḡorbat, would claim Iranian roots; (3) they were considered both physically and ritually unclean and associated with undesirable and polluting occupations of feeding on carrion and corpses, bloodletting, prostitution, pimping, and child-abduction; (4) their small and dark physical features validated their Indian, non-Afghan, origins.”

Here it states clearly in English that Rao says that they are viewed as having Indian Jat origin.

Now I am not here to argue that the article should be changed as clearly Uanfala knows how to game the system to his advantage and being a long-time editor he is probably on good terms with the administrators as well. No, I am demonstrating here that my edits are justified and NOT POV as many other people would also interpret the above in the same way. Now I expect due to me not paying obeisance to an Admin but challenging their point, I will probably be banned or sanctioned on some ground of “using the wrong page number” or “slight misspelling” but what I have demonstrated here is that my view was justified and not part of some defamatory and juvenile accusation of Rajput supremacy or whatever. RuudVanClerk (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
I have posted the extract, but what does it matter which translation tool I use? In relation to the Dhan Singh article what I added is detailed in this diff ()

And the quote reads:

“It thus appeared that had informed his fellow Gujars of the outbreak, perhaps even encouraging them to plunder, and now his loyalties were divided”

What I posted is completely in line with the quote you posted. How is it not? I even went and added possibly later on as per what was detailed on talk page.

I will not comment much on the intention to indefinitely ban me but will say that it is interesting and leave it at that. RuudVanClerk (talk) 21:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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Result concerning RuudVanClerk

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Re Rao's book being "conveniently" out of print, please assume good faith even when it's difficult, Uanfala. That said, RVC's evasiveness when you told them the given page in the book (page 83) didn't verify the text is highly suspicious; at best, it's failure to discuss in a collegial way, at worst it's, well, just evasive. RuudVanClerk, this section on your page together with your removal of it with aggressive edit summaries and reverts at the article throws a very bad light on you. Please provide the requested quotes here and now, before you edit anywhere else, or I will indeed sanction you for misuse of "sources". Your post above, handwaving at the title of Rao's book, is not useful for this purpose. The same goes for this edit, which Uanfala also tried to discuss on both the article page and your talkpage, where you added unsourced and controversial text in such a way that it looked sourced. I could accept that that was an innocent mistake, if you had provided a source when asked for it; but that didn't happen. Again, please provide a quote from the source that directly supports the text "by looting the offices and homes of East India Company officials". These things, as well as others enumerated by Uanfala above, look deceptive. And, just as Uanfala says, they look like a POV issue rather than a competence issue. Is that just appearance? Now is your chance to show that it is, by providing the quotes I'm requesting. Bishonen | tålk 16:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC).

Re RuudVanClerk's piecemeal reply to me above, : What "French translator tool" is that? Is there anything wrong with Google Translate? That definitely doesn't take 24 hours to access; just click on the link and you're there. Is that how you yourself read the book, via a "translator tool"? Because you needn't translate anything on my account; French is fine, that's what we want, as Abecedare also emphasises below. Your attempts to change the subject and interrogate me aren't doing you any good, you know. Just please provide the quotations I've asked for. And no, I didn't "unfortunately miss" the quotation "It thus appeared that had informed his fellow Gujars of the outbreak, perhaps even encouraging them to plunder, and now his loyalties were divided". That is discussed here, where Uanfala explains, in what I consider a convincing way, that it does not support the POV text you added. You'll have to do better. In view of Uanfala's diffs, as well as RVC's evasive replies to me here, I'm more and more inclined to go with an indefinite block as a regular admin action. Bishonen | tålk 21:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC).

Your French quotes don't mean what you say they mean. "..distingue six groupes jat dispersés dans tout le pays. Si tous ne sont pas d'origine indienne ( les Ghorbat , par exemple…" doesn't mean "that these groups are considered by locals to be of Indian-origin implying a relationship with the Jats of the Indian Subcontinent" or anything like it. (And why only offer sentence fragments?) Rather the opposite, that the groups are not all of Indian origin. I'm tired of these bad-faith statements. If you actually believe them yourself, why didn't you check out p 83 when Uanfala told you there was nothing like that on that page, instead of removing their questions with extreme rudeness? Now you say it was the wrong page; it's a little late for that. I'm not sure you're a good fit for a collaborative encyclopedia, and your attacks on all and sundry on this page reinforce that impression. I'm leaving this open and hope more admins will opine, but if nobody has any objection, I will block RuudVanClerk indefinitely in a day or two for persistent POV-pushing, battleground editing, and (the most serious issue) misuse of sources. Bishonen | tålk 21:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC).

(responding to ping) I haven't had time to examine all the evidence yet but to start with, I second Bishonen's request for Ruud to provide the (original French) quote from pg 83 of Rao's book that supports the statement they had cited it for. Abecedare (talk) 19:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ruud, It's obvious to me that (a) the extract you "quoted" is taken from this review of the book and not the book itself, and (b) it doesn't mean at all what you say it means (the book review provides the correct interpretation, so you probably already knew that). Given such tendentious behavior that both misrepresents sources and wastes editors' time who challenge them with dishonest bluster. I too believe a block is warranted. Pinging Bishonen. Abecedare (talk) 01:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Having gone through all this, I'm not convinced that a short term block will be of much use here. I believe that the editor needs to be removed from this space entirely -- via a topic ban at the bare minimum or even an indef block (not an AE action). Looking through some of the edits not mentioned above (such as in Khatri, the pattern doesn't seem new either.—SpacemanSpiff 08:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't think anybody's suggesting a short-term block, Spiff; I've proposed an indef, because I don't think the user is a good fit for a collaborative project in any of its spaces. That would not be an AE action, as you say. Bishonen | tålk 10:15, 25 May 2022 (UTC).
I agree. If someone is misrepresenting sources (and their previous discussion with Unfala and the responses above, show that that was not just a good-faith error), they should not be editing wikipedia. The only question for me is whether here at AE, we should impose a, somewhat redundant, topic-ban too. Thoughts? Abecedare (talk) 14:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree with an indef block. Disingenuous pov pushing appears to be the norm here. Perhaps the easiest is to impose an AE topic ban and a normal not here indef block. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I'll block. With the general agreement here, I don't think we need wait any longer. Not sure how a belt-and-braces topic ban makes anything easier, RegentsPark..? If the user can't contribute, they also can't contribute to Indian topics etc. Anyway, to make sure the arguments here are considered in the unlikely event that anyone takes a notion to unblock, I'll put a link to this discussion in the block log. Bishonen | tålk 15:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC).

I agree that it doesn't seem useful and appears to be merely procedural. But an indef block can be appealed. This way, the AE topic ban will stand regardless of what happens and, if nothing else, provides an appropriate closure to this AE thread.--RegentsPark (comment) 15:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

WatanWatan2020

Request concerning WatanWatan2020

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: TheTimesAreAChanging (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: WatanWatan2020 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

08:15, 23 May 2022 WP:BOLD edit makes an WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim that Afghanistan "has raised and had maintained one of the most powerful militaries in the world throughout its history"
06:23, 26 May 2022 Repeated the edit after being informed that it failed verification
06:35, 26 May 2022 Repeated the edit again
03:16, 27 May 2022 Repeated the edit again after being reverted by a different user and warned of discretionary sanctions on the talk page, even though three editors expressed disagreement in a discussion the previous day
07:03, 27 May 2022 Repeated the edit again after an additional formal, templated discretionary sanctions notification on the user's talk page, with a minor change to "The nation has raised and had maintained one of the most equipped militaries in the world throughout its history"

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

07:43, 13 October 2021 Blocked 24 hours for edit warring

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I addressed this dispute on the talk page with a long, detailed message that thoroughly explained how the proposed addition failed verification. The gist of my comment was that WatanWatan2020 had taken a Small Wars Journal article entitled "The Afghan Air Force: A Harsh Lesson in the Expensive Game of Airpower Reconstruction" and misused it to support a sweeping claim that Afghanistan "has raised and had maintained one of the most powerful militaries in the world throughout its history," although the cited article only addresses the Afghan Air Force (founded in the early twentieth century), not any other branches of the Military of Afghanistan. Furthermore, the cited article does not describe the Afghan Air Force in a manner that is consistent with WatanWatan2020's edit.

Two other contributors—LaundryPizza03 () and LouisAragon ()—expressed disagreement with WatanWatan2020's additions in the ensuing discussion, with the latter lamenting that "Their talk page is littered with warnings and block notices. Such edits therefore shouldn't come as a surprise." In fact, WatanWatan2020 is simultaneously at AN3 at this very moment over what appears to be an ethno-nationalist edit war regarding the official language(s) of Herat (1793–1863), coincidentally also defying the consensus of at least three other contributors and entailing (among other things) a bright-line violation of 3RR (, , ). While such matters largely elude my expertise, it is worth noting that I only examined WatanWatan2020's edit in the first place because Tartan357 had recently pointed out a previous edit in which WatanWatan2020 made an equally-fantastic claim that "Afghanistan has been described as one of the most wealthiest countries in the world", a conclusion generated via a misrepresentation of sources discussing the country's mineral wealth. (As Tartan357 succinctly put it: "Afghanistan is not by any objective standard 'one of the wealthiest countries in the world'. It is one of the poorest.")

I will concede that WatanWatan2020 is a relatively new user—the account was registered in 2020, hence the name—and that it may be just barely possible that he did not initially see the prominent discretionary sanctions notice that displays whenever editing Afghanistan. Nevertheless, his willingness to ignore the tentative talk page consensus and reinstate a clear-cut—one might say rather extraordinary—failure of verification after being formally notified—along with his mocking, ill-advised reply to the standard notification template (e.g., "I have also not shown much interest in Pakistan or India, that is the first error by @TheTimesAreChanging")—is so shocking to see in this sensitive topic area that I felt it had to be taken to AE immediately for at least a stern warning or short block, especially given how poorly WatanWatan2020 seems to understand the seriousness of the situation, even now.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 09:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning WatanWatan2020

Statement by WatanWatan2020

(moved from directly below the initial complaint Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)) This user, @TheTimesAreChanging is conflating the Afghanistan article with the Herat Principality article. This is the first error. In the Afghanistan article, this user deleted an entire paragraph with citations and links, accurate information that is also reinforced on other articles pertaining to the matter. He deleted all of it because he took issue with one sentence; How is this not a violation of WP rules? If you take issue with that one sentence, ponder upon that one sentence. @TheTimesAreChanging has a history of undoing mass edits of other users; it does not seem he puts in the least effort to contribute to these articles. You do not reserve the right to undo an entire paragraph that has information to other things because you take issue with one sentence, and even that sentence is cited with sources. It is high time for your activity to get checked. Individuals like you are quick to run to the admin boards the moment there is pushback against your ways on WP. I hope that the admins investigate his edits thoroughly and inform him that, rather than undo cited sources and information, you deal with what you specifically take issue with. I already compromised by changing the wording of that sentence, even though it didnt need to be changed due to the compromise. This user has not responded to the disucssion, did not compromise, and continues to disrupt not only the Afghanistan Article, but others as well. To add, the user @Tartan357 thanked me for my edits. The user took issue with one sentence which I then deleted. He then thanked me after. @TheTimesAreChanging should actually learn from Tartan357 in which you should contribute to articles and be fair, not delete entire paragraphs that have something to do with totally something else. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 09:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

(moved from below the first admin response Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)) Hello, why is the Afghanistan article not being investigated? This is very uncalled for, and unfair to not see that the information there is accurate, with sources, citations and links. For you to bring up the very past that pertains to old disputes and discussions, this is also uncalled for, because they have been resolved. If I was guilty then, there would have been a ban from them. I have spoken and discussed with many administrators who had that opportunity to do so, but did not since they found that my edits were not wrong. I ask that you actually due your duties in properly investigating the matters instead of going by their words to try and quickly get the matter over with as soon as possible. This only allows for their behaviors to go unchecked. It is also surprising that you do not comment on the stalking of my edits by @Noorullah21 in which he has implemented false information once again onto multiple articles. This is wrong, uncalled for, and unfair. Coming to the admin, the admin should be the ultimate judge who does impartial investigations into the matter. Very, Very uncalled for that you try to smear me with historic edits and disputes. Be impartial. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 09:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Moved from Noorullah21's section _signed,Rosguill 04:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)I am asking the Notice board to take action against @Noorullah21 for stalking my edits, and thereafter implementing false information to those articles. He has a history of Pan Iranian POV pushing on articles. For example he adds ‘persian’ to an Arabic name as he did with the “Jawad” article. This is very uncalled for. He is creating an atmosphere of edit warring and does not contribute to the discussion, such as on the Herat article. He only just contributed because I pointed it out; although it will still show that by the time he lodged this complaint he never had contributed at all. Enforce this user. Or at least warn him not to stalk me and my edits, as well as permeate my talk page twice with the same notice. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 09:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Noorullah21

I am here to contribute to the discussion about user WatanWatan2020, this user has been disruptively editing on multiple pages and Language POV pushing on multiple pages, he ignored 3 editors (including me) on page Herat (1793-1863), completely ignoring us even when given sources. He has also gone on to multiple pages to push his language pov, you can check his contributions for different pages for reference on what I mean. I am here to attest to what Time is saying and can back up their claims. (I believe this is the appropriate section for a discussion, if I am wrong please don’t be afraid to tell me or delete what I said here, or move it to the correct area) Noorullah21 (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Kansas Bear

A cursory search through WatanWatan2020's recent edits show a battleground mentality direct towards other editors. At least 6 different edits WatanWatan has used the term "Pan-Iranian(s)" towards other editors.

And, 4 instances of calling another user's edits, vandalism;

I am not convinced this editor is here to build an encyclopedia.--Kansas Bear (talk) 12:57, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by LaundryPizza03

Well, this is a hard case to analyze, since there are so many so-so edits mixed in with the bad ones. Aside from the clownery at Afghanistan, this user has been language POV-pushing as of late, not just with Afghanistan but also with other Persian-speaking Middle Eastern countries. They are currently blocked filing an AN3 report involving Noorullah21 (talk · contribs). Examples include:

An edit war at Jawad (name) where they assserted, without a reliable source, that it is spelled differently in Persian (last revert). Also one of several edits where they accused Noorullah21 of vandalism.
An edit war at Suleiman where changed the origin of the given name to assert, based on original research, that it is solely Arabic in origin and not derived from Hebrew (). At least later reverts did not include an assertion that it is a cognate and not a loanword.
At Persian language, asserted that it is not spoken in some of the listed countries, ahiule also removing sources; accused the other editor, Qahramani44 (talk · contribs), of "Pan Iranian POV pushing".
Assertion at Afghan (ethnonym) that "Persian is a foreign language to the Pashtuns," and therefore the Persian translation should not be listed.
Although this edit at Maymana is correct because the Uzbek language is not written in an Arabic script, their edit summary erases a substantial Uzbek-speaking population in this part of Afghanistan.

Overall, they seem hellbent on asserting that the Persian spoken outside of Iran is not Persian, and that Pashto is the only legitimate language of Afghanistan. Note that this user has fairly constructive edits on other topics, such as this minor grammatical correction at Egyptian Air Force, so the recommended action is a topic ban from language-related edits. I am cutting off here because I have to leave for a meeting at the University of Houston, and the pattern of recent language-related disruption is already clear. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 17:05, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Qahramani44

All I can say is his edits have a severe case of WP:BATTLEGROUND, especially since his edits like and the other ones that have been linked here usually involves him deleting reliably sourced material, his repeated attacks on multiple other people accusing them of being "pan-Iranians" doesn't seem to help Misplaced Pages either, and he seems to be involved in multiple edit wars at the same time. Would support either an indeff block or a topic ban on everything relating to Iranic, Turkic, and Semitic-related topics/countries. --Qahramani44 (talk) 02:36, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by HistoryofIran

At , WatanWatan outright rejected seven, highly academic sources, preferring to follow his own personal opinion instead. This is quite concerning. As already listed here, this too was one of the places where he threw around the word "pan-Iranian". --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:15, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning WatanWatan2020

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Given the long history of ignoring consensus, misrepresenting sources and edit warring across multiple topic areas (their talk page notes various issues regarding the Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Flynas, Palestinian Airlines, Arab Air Carriers Organization, Levantine Arabic, Arvand Rud and Suleiman articles) the absolute minimum I think we should be considering here is an indefinite topic ban. The narrowest topic that I can think of that would cover all of these areas would be (1) The Arab world and (2) Afghanistan; however looking at their contributions I don't think that would actually solve the issue given that they have a lot of other reverted edits relating to various Iranian topics and air forces of Asian and eastern European countries - and that's all within the last three weeks. Accordingly I'm leaning towards a full block of some kind given they've had plenty of time to learn Misplaced Pages's ways but do not seem to have done. Thryduulf (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- @WatanWatan2020: firstly you must respond only in your own section - I've moved your comments there. Secondly, this is not about the article or about other users, this is about your behaviour and the more I look at it the worse it looks, including that you've just been blocked for 72 hours for edit warring. I'm struggling to see the justification for not just giving you an indefinite block, but I'll wait to see what my colleagues say first. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm hard pressed to come up with an appropriate response less than an indef block. Even if it were unintentional, the consistent misuse of sources and misreading of discussions (followed by edit warring) leaves little of value for WatanWatan2020 to contribute to the encyclopedia. _signed,Rosguill 02:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

‎Fad Ariff

Request concerning ‎Fad Ariff

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Iskandar323 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: ‎Fad Ariff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

In this diff (12:07, 27 May 2022) Revert of material against the consensus of two other editors, as openly admitted by the editor themselves in a talk page post minutes earlier in this diff (11:57, 27 May 2022).
Just over a week ago, this revert (13:14, 17 May 2022) by Fad Ariff was undone (13:50, 17 May 2022) by a previously uninvolved editor, SkidMountTubularFrame, who noticed the edit warring, only for the material to be reverted again (12:06, 20 May 2022) by Far Ariff - again reverting multiple editors without compunction in a conflict area.
In what appears to be a WP:1RR breach, this diff (12:05, 15 April 2022) followed this diff (12:06, 14 April 2022) - the latter being a revert of this diff (14:00, 13 April 2022).
Another WP:1RR breach in this diff (12:56, 12 March 2022) following this diff (15:37, 11 March 2022) - subsequently self-reverted ... after prompting.
Fad Ariff also brushes up against WP:1RR (with a second revert just outside 24hrs) on a regular basis in a manner that conveys a clear sense of entitlement to one revert a day. This includes:

this diff (13:14, 17 May 2022) following this diff (12:04, 16 May 2022)
this diff (12:08, 10 May 2022) following this diff (11:52, 9 May 2022 )
this diff (12:22, 19 April 2022) following this diff (12:19, 18 April 2022)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

n/a

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Placement of DS alert on 12 March 2022
Express explanation of WP:1RR (14:00, 12 March 2022), as clearly received and understood in this self-revert (14:00, 12 March 2022 )
Another example (12:42, 19 April 2022) of an invitation to self-revert following the 19 April second revert after 24 hours and 3 minutes (an invitation that was ignored).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Despite a clear demonstration of an awareness of what DS and WP:1RR entail, and subsequent warnings that their double reverts in just over 24 hrs represents an entitled approach to WP:1RR that could be interpreted as WP:GAMING, they have only become bolder in doing just this, as well as edit warring against multiple other editors over the same material despite this being a conflict area with stronger than usual requirements for consensus. Reversion is being deployed to prevent any changes to the page that the editor just doesn't like in a manner that is increasingly reminiscent of WP:OWN. There are also civility issues with the repeated accusations of edit warring (with no apparent sense of irony). Iskandar323 (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notice of report filing

Discussion concerning Fad Ariff

Statement by Fad Ariff

Hello. It’s my first time in one of these. May I please have a couple of days to familiarise a bit with this process? Thank you. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Result concerning Fad Ariff

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Awaiting Fad Ariff's response. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Roxy the dog

The complainant has stated that they are happy to withdraw this request following a retraction and apology by Roxy the dog _signed,Rosguill 04:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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