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Consensus

Could you kindly link to the consensus on not listing, naming survivors, dead, or those who miss the plane unless they are WP notable? Best regards Alvaldi (talk) 21:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

The consensus is we don't name the dead or survivors of aviation disasters unless they have a WP article. Here are just some of the many discussions-

• Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255#Should_Cecelia_Cichan_be_mentioned_by_name?
• Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:1943_Gibraltar_B-24_crash#Question
• Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Galaxy_Airlines_Flight_203
• Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Aviation_accident_task_force/Archive_6#Here_we_go_again-_Munich_air_disaster
• Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Pakistan_International_Airlines_Flight_705 Go to section Names of victims and survivors.

Plus see ANI discussions here and here. There is one exception- the cockpit crew of the aircraft involved....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• Just so we are clear, you are absolutely sure that the person who headlines the articles about the accident on CNN, Washington Post, CBS News, Fox News, NPR, NBC, The Guardian, The Independent and Sky News should not be mentioned in the article? Alvaldi (talk) 22:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

For the 4th time, they don't get named if they don't have an article. @Ahunt:, @Andrewgprout: please chime in....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes User:WilliamJE is quite right, that is the longstanding consensus. It really all comes down to WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING. Cessna 172s crash all the time, as I noted on the AfD, of the 44,000 C-172s built over the last 67 years, probably at least 10,000 of then have been crashed, some more than once. Unless someone notable is involved (with a pre-existing bio on Misplaced Pages), or there is some lasting effect in terms of procedural changes or Airworthiness Directives, then it is just another crash, one of tens of thousands and not notable. - Ahunt (talk) 22:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Newspapers established in year cat

Template:Newspapers established in year cat has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

AB Aviation Flight 1103

Well the connection is that people still remembered the crash of the yemenia plane and were still shocked with the crash but however i dont see the connection with Air France 447 too but i guess there is a connection between the yemenia and the crash Iyusi766 (talk) 18:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

See also section links were discussed recently here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Syke aircraft shootdown

WilliamJE, I think it is very poor form to nominate an article at AfD and then subsequently gut it, for whatever reason. If you nominate an articl at AfD, as is your right to do so, then you should leave the article in much the state you found it so that editors can put forward their views based on the article as is, or as improved. Copyvios and BLP violations are the only exceptions to this, and may be removed at any time. Your future co-operation in this will be much appreciated. Mjroots (talk) 19:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: This is moronic. I removed things that weren't reliably sourced, weren't sourced at all, and a list of those killed in the crash. If you read my edit summaries you'd know that. Demonstrate one thing I took out that doesn't have one of these apply. What you said above is idiotic otherwise....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

By leaving the article largely how you find it, it gives editors the chance to look at what is there, and maybe improve it, perhaps by finding references for stuff that is unreferenced. I did read your edit summaries, but it is the attempt to gut the article after nominating it for deletion that, to me, is unfair on the editor(s) that put time and effort into creating the article, whatever flaws it may have. Mjroots (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

If you're talking this edit, the first paragraph wasn't referenced at all, the second had two references neither of which are considered reliable sources. I clean out this shit out of articles all the time, and I take grief for it too when I haven't done anything wrong. If the claims about someone dead or alive aren't properly referenced, they don't belong in an article whether the person is dead or alive and whether its at AFD isn't a factor either. Cite me one thing on Misplaced Pages that says I did wrong or take me to ANI. Otherwise you're being idiotic....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

As you requested, I've raised the issue for discussion at AfD. Not looking to have you sanctioned, but to clarify this issue.

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mjroots (talk) 11:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

A beer for you!

You do good work, and you stand against the horde. I appreciate that. Have this beer on me. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 18:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and Peapack-Gladstone

This edit removed Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis as a notable in the article for Peapack-Gladstone, New Jersey. Her article made the connection to the borough and sources are amply available; it took me minutes to address the issue and restore the content. The fact that a source does not perfectly support a fact in an article does not make the fact false nor does it justify the deletion of the material. WP:PRESERVE says that you should "fix problems if you can, tag or remove them if you can't", but there has to be some effort to WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM. Some of the suggestions include "Doing a quick search for sources and adding a citation yourself" or "Tagging it as necessary". Please try to do this in the future, as Misplaced Pages:Editing policy is exactly that, a policy. Alansohn (talk) 18:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• See my edit summary here. You're hardly the person to complain. The same editor who took me to ANI for removing your book spamming. The same editor who reverted an edit of mine thinking blogspot is a reliable source. The editor who thought Abe Vigoda was from Woodland Park. Oh there is this shit of yours I had to clean up too. Miscommunicating and desperate can describe you besides that edit. Putting references that don't corroborate the sentence is a big problem around here and you're doing it too. Shame on you for coming here to bitch about my editing when you do this shit here. Make a bet there is more work like this in edits here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)