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Warren apparently believes the DNC stole Bernie's nomination in 2016
The article seems to miss this interesting piece of information. . I would suggest adding this into the Misplaced Pages entry, but I won't make any unilateral moves here. Any thoughts?Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 14:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I believe that this should be in the article. I think the citation should be the CNN story and not the Washington Post Article. She said it on CNN and the Washington Post was merely saying that she said it on CNN.JeremiahJohnson (talk) 13:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Bit misleading on her Native American controversy and Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/Elizabeth_Warren#Ancestry_and_Native_American_relations
'Throughout his presidency, former president Donald Trump mocked Warren for her assertions of Native American ancestry, and called her the slur "Pocahontas".'
I struggle to see how it can be justified to refer to that as a "slur". Maybe some left leaning publications do, but does a majority of publications? From what I've seen the answer is no.
'At a July 2018 Montana rally, he promised that if he debated Warren, he would pay $1 million to her favorite charity if she could prove her Native American ancestry via a DNA test. Warren released results of a DNA test in October 2018, then asked Trump to donate the money to the National Indigenous Women's Resource Center. Trump responded by denying that he had made the challenge. The DNA test found that Warren's ancestry is mostly European but "strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor", likely "in the range of 6 to 10 generations ago".'
Very misleading, Trump challenged her to take a DNA test that "shows you’re an Indian". Clearly having the same amount of Native DNA as any random white American doesn't satisfy that. Also the 'Trump responded by denying that he made the challenge' is also misleading as fact checked here - https://www.politifact.com/article/2018/oct/15/context-donald-trumps-1-million-offer-elizabeth-wa/
'The DNA test found that Warren's ancestry is mostly European but "strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor", likely "in the range of 6 to 10 generations ago".'
This is potentially misleading to viewers unless we note that this is the same amount of ancestry that a random white American is likely to have. 84.70.169.190 (talk) 07:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's not the amount of Native American ancestry the random white American is likely to have. The random white Amarican is likely to have 0% Native American ancestry. However, since some white Americans have a lot of Native American DNA, the average is 0.18%, compared with Warren (0.10% to 1.56%). TFD (talk) 10:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm, noting her % of Native DNA would be helpful to readers then. 84.70.169.190 (talk) 20:05, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see why. Warren said that her great-great-great-grandmother was part Native American, which is consistent with the DNA finding that she had a Native American ancestor 6 to 10 generations ago. This isn't a biology article. All that matters is the DNA test confirmed her claim. TFD (talk) 04:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well no, what she actually said is that she is Native American, not that 200-300 years ago she had one Native American ancestor. "being Native American has been part of my story" and "1986, Warren identified her race as "American Indian" on a State Bar of Texas write-in form". The DNA test debunked her claim. I feel like telling the readers the DNA percentage is useful because it's hard to put into perspective what one ancestor 6-10 generations ago actually means, the DNA test does that. 84.70.169.190 (talk) 05:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- When you start by making obviously false statements such as the average American has Indian ancestry, you immediately destroy any credibility. In your latest comment, you leave out that before saying she was Native American, Warren said that her great-great-great-grandmother was part Native American, which was confirmed by the DNA evidence. Instead of getting misinformation from unreliable sourcess and wasting our time with a rant, research what reliable sources say, compare it to what this article says and then comment. TFD (talk) 01:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- That was when she was challenged in an interview on why she identified herself as American Indian in the 80s. And 6-10 generations ago is further than that. Can I get a response on my point about the bet with Trump? 84.70.169.190 (talk) 04:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Can you explain why you made the obviously false claim that "this is the same amount of ancestry that a random white American is likely to have." TFD (talk) 09:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- I thought I read that when her results came out. Also isn't her results within that margin according to you? Average is 0.18%, compared with Warren's 0.10% to 1.56%. 84.70.169.190 (talk) 20:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's not how averages work. If Warren Buffet (net worth $101 billion) walks into a shelter with 100 homeless people, the average net worth of everyone in the homeless shelter is $1 billion. That doesn't mean that the random person in the shelter is likely to have a net worth of $1 billion. The vast majority of white Americans have no Native American ancestry. (See "The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans across the United States", figure S7.) TFD (talk) 21:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- For a sample of hundreds of millions of people an average is fair enough, the point is her claim of being an American Indian was false then when challenged on it her new claim of being 1/32 Native was also false. Adding her % would be useful to the readers, and fixing the 1 million bet statement is needed. 84.70.169.190 (talk) 01:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- I have never understood why people like you, when you find an opponent who has misstated facts, instead of just calling them out on it, they misrepresent the facts in order to make them appear worse. The same thing happened with Benghazi. It only works with people who are already converted. Maybe they have difficulty in distinguishing facts from alternative facts. In any case, it doesn't belong in article discussions. TFD (talk) 03:11, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Pocahontas was a person. Using it as a nickname has been recognized as a "slur" by the reliable sources: – Muboshgu (talk) 20:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- And if I show you even more reliable sources that don't refer to it as a slur, what then? 84.70.169.190 (talk) 01:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- If I find reliable sources that pigs can fly, what then? It' a pointless question. TFD (talk) 04:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well I'm wondering why we describe it as a slur if some reliable sources do and some don't. 84.70.169.190 (talk) 04:55, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- It's time to stop trolling. TFD (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Can we get a correction on the $1m bet? Trump challenged her to take a DNA test that "shows you’re an Indian", not "prove her Native American ancestry" as the article currently says. And he never denied that he made that challenge - https://www.politifact.com/article/2018/oct/15/context-donald-trumps-1-million-offer-elizabeth-wa/ 84.70.169.190 (talk) 14:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
1950 census
The details of the 1950 United States Census have just been released (there is a 72-year restriction on individual data, which just expired). Warren (then known as Elizabeth Herring) was born in 1949, so she would have been listed. Can anyone find her in the census and confirm what race she was listed as? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- The source would not be acceptable. We would need it to be mentioned in a reliable source. I guess we'll have to wait another twenty years to see where Obama's parents said he was born. TFD (talk) 02:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Should changes be made to the section labeled "Ancestry and Native American relations"?
The subsection "Ancestry and Native American relations" in the larger public image section seems a little weird to me. You have 5 paragraphs on her ancestry controversy, and then the section ends with two sentences about Deb Haaland's praise and endorsement of her. I have no objection to the information itself, but it just seems weird to have it in a section that is overwhelmingly focused on the issue of her ancestry. Why not move the Haaland endorsement sentence to somewhere in the section on her presidential campaign instead? 2600:8800:4CE0:E400:7D60:3525:5CF3:500D (talk) 05:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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Warren started her second term in 2019, not 2017. 2600:4040:5C67:9000:D474:A782:52F1:9780 (talk) 00:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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