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Pages like this need a disclaimer that this kind of thinking is wrong and harmful to everyone. Stuff like this doesn’t need to be discussed, it needs to be shouted at the top of peoples lungs how wrong it is. People need to realize it’s not an opinion. Or belief. It’s hate speech and shouldn’t be tolerated. People that think like the alt right are dangerous Tacknode (talk) 19:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Not done: Not our job. We're an encyclopedia, not teachers or parents. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
McInnes's statement
McInnes clarified his understanding of the difference between the alt-right and alt-lite by explaining that while the former focused on the white race, the latter welcomed individuals of any racial background who shared its belief in the superiority of Western culture.
I'd rather we have a scholarly source on what the alt-lite is, rather than McInnes. I strongly doubt that "the superiority of Western culture" (one of McInnes's pet issues) is a defining trait of the alt-lite, which seems far more characterized by opposition to illegal immigration, globalization, interventionism, and political correctness. DFlhb (talk) 18:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Does it? McInnes still comes out with strong alt right talking points. It seems to me that the alt light is just an attempt to rebrand the alt right and pretend it's not an inherently racist movement still. --TheKingOfTheGuild (talk) 17:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Recent lead changes
These changes were made with an edit summary implying that they were restoring a longstanding consensus; but looking back, I can't see it. That part of the lead and short description have been basically unchanged as far back as last year. We do mention the rejection of mainstream politics further down the lead (it's possible an editor lost track of that and thought it had been removed), but I think the older description summarizes the key points from the sources better. --Aquillion (talk) 11:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- What aspects of it do you specifically object to? There's a multitude of RS that describes the movement as white supremacist. KlayCax (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Why are we " loosely connected" ? Sources are clear on this. Moxy-
00:16, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Aquillion is spot on. Consensus is required for adding new elements to the longstanding lead, not for their removal. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
German?
It seems the word came from folks who were into the german "folkish" stuff, which is all about the "old" germany? Could it be that the "alt" is half "alternative" and half the german spelling of "old"? And see Old Right (United_States)
Is it true, that nazilover who read out nazi crap in german came up with it? (I don't really see how using the german accent and spelling instead of your native english shows "folkish pride", but then nazilovers are fuckwits.)
(For completeness, here's an anti-alt-right pun. Al-Trite, a NOI splinter group, named for their leader Rajihad Abu Sharia's attempts to blindly copy Al-Qaeda instead of cultivating a style of Islam more suited to America.)
121.127.212.32 (talk) 09:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Alt-
Was "alt" used in english before the "altright"? If not, then I think it is pretty interesting that it has given a new (maybe german influenced) prefix to the english language itself (however horrible that may be), and this should be recorded in the article. 121.127.212.32 (talk) 09:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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