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Extremism in the ranks

Recent edits regarding including some history of white supremacy in the traditions and culture section. Source is questionable per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Guide_to_addressing_bias

Citing some incidence in the past of certain beliefs and actions hardly makes it tradition or part of the culture of the organization especially when the organization itself has repeatedly stated that is not the case.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/31/824370942/marine-corps-aims-to-tackle-evolving-face-of-white-supremacy

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/marines-corps-root-out-racism/

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2020/0303/U.S.-Marines-lead-charge-in-rooting-out-racism-in-military-ranks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.246.246 (talk) 17:59, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

All three of those sources seem to be supporting the fact that historically the Marine Corps has had a major issue with this, did you read them? Your argument that because the Marine Corps has taken action on these issues the issues never existed in the first place is most peculiar, can you expand on it? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the IP editor that the content about extremism/white supremacy doesn't belong under "7.2 Unofficial traditions and customs". But I do think there's been sufficient coverage of the problem for it to be included in the article. I'd suggest its own subsection under "Culture". Schazjmd (talk) 18:44, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I was trying to fit it into the framework we already had and I didn’t want to make it seem like an officially endorsed part of the corps, a separate subsection is definitely doable. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 23:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Some re-wording is needed so as not to appear to be painting the entire Corps with the same brush. Would also suggest moving to a new "Controversies" subsection under culture. (imho) - wolf 05:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Semper Fidelis

The article states that this was adopted as the Marine motto in 1883, at the suggestion of the then-Commandant. But why? What led up to this, why then, and why that motto? Some detail would improve the article.

The article does state that about a third of the Corps left in 1861 and fought against the United States. Was there any contemporary discussion of this when the Corps’ new motto was announced? Again, more detail needed. 24.4.136.172 (talk) 04:43, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to find some sources and add that information, then. Seraphimblade 09:08, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Mass image removal

See comments below gallery;

The Marine Band, dubbed "The President's Own"
Continental Marines landing at New Providence in March 1776 during the Battle of Nassau, the first amphibious landing of the Marine Corps, during the American Revolutionary War
U.S. Marines leading Arab mercenaries to victory under U.S. Navy Lieutenant William Eaton and U.S. Marine Corps First Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon during the Battle of Derna
U.S. Marines storming Chapultepec castle under a large American flag, paving the way for the fall of Mexico City
The flag of the United States Marine Corps from 1914 to 1939
U.S. Marines from 3rd Battalion, 3rd Marines during the Desert Storm deployment in 1990–1991
U.S. Marines conducting a dawn patrol in Afghanistan's Nawa District, Helmand Province, 2010
Two Marines of 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines engaging the enemy during Operation Moshtarak in Afghanistan's Helmand Province
3rd Battalion, 4th Marines loading 120mm mortar rounds during Operation Inherent Resolve in Syria, 2018
Marine recruits on a Squad Rush course
A Marine AH-1Z Viper landing on USS Makin Island in 2010
McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 212 (VMFA-212) over the South China Sea

Bravo Battery, 1st Battalion, 11th Marines, fight off Iraqi units on 26 March 2003

These 12 images, along with this video clip, were removed today (by another editor), with seven consecutive edits over the course of about 30 minutes. Only edit summaries were repeated comments about "sandwiches". I'm posting them all here to have a visual record, as well as a possible starting point for a discussion should anyone wish to talk about this. - wolf 08:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

See the MOS for images, we aren't supposed to have text which is sandwiched between two images... What we had before I edited it down was a comical amount of pictures which made this page look like a drunk teenager had done the layout. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm familiar with mos:img, and I've fixed numerous pages becuase of that very reason, but I didn't have to remove images to so, there are other options. Perhaps there were too many images and perhaps they were placed poorly, but I didn't contest any of that. I simply posted them here so there is a record, which is commonly done with mass-removals of content, as some people may disagree with which images were removed. - wolf 00:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

As far as I understand images are not content. I considered other options, but there were just too many pictures for anything but either a deep cut or a completely separate gallery. No judgement was made on which to preserve or remove beyond layout. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

"As far as I understand images are not content." - If you take a look at MOS:IMG, WP:F, WP:NFCC & WP:IUP, I believe you'll find images are considered content.

"No judgement was made on which to preserve or remove beyond layout." - then all the better to have the images listed here. The article might be better off with some of them included rathed than excluded. - wolf 03:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

You seem to be conflating two separate uses of content, still not sure what the point of this thread is. The talk page is not the place to create a "visual" record so you should either say your piece or get going. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

(Seems I missed this.) Here is my "piece": These 12 images, along with this video clip, were removed on 8 March 2022 (by another editor), with seven consecutive edits over the course of about 30 minutes. Only edit summaries were repeated comments about "sandwiches". I'm posting them all here to have a visual record, as well as a possible starting point for a discussion should anyone wish to talk about this. Anyone not wishing to take part in this thread, needn't post at all. - wolf 20:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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please undo revert

There are several mentions of the marine corps in the United States war crimes page I linked to in the see also section. It is appropriate to link to it from here. aniola (talk) 19:16, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

You added the link to the main US Armed Forces page, which seems appropriate, but then adding it to every service article as well seems like overkill. I agree with the reverts. - wolf 01:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:SEEALSO, "See also" sections are for "related or comparable articles," but not for topics that are tangential in ways that you'd expect to see thousands of potential links that could have one tangential connection or another. For example, the article on the Russian Armed Forces does not contain a link to the article Russian war crimes, even though the latter article has a link to the former in the first sentence of its lead. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 02:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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