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Racism definition in the lead, too specific

When defining racism in a sentence, it’s almost certainly going to be wrong and be unsatisfactory to someone. The one used here is just that, but knowing the difficulties I think it could be made better and more helpful. It now reads as:

“The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.”

is that really it? I would think it could be rephrased to emphasize the differentiation based on racial characteristics rather than here which confines it to superiority, and thus omits a vast amount of beliefs that might be considered racist but do not fall int that narrow definition I’d rephrase it as:

“ The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be differentiated or distinguished socially or politically on the basis of physical characteristics common to identifiable racial groups.”


this much better since the current description is so simple and confining as to be largely useless. Sychonic (talk) 18:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Your proposal would make the sentence inaccurate: humans can, in fact be differentiated or distinguished socially or politically on the basis of physical characteristics common to identifiable racial groups. They can also be differentiated or distinguished socially or politically on the basis of any number of other arbitrary qualifications, such as ice cream flavor preference or their aesthetic opinion of the word "moist".
The 'superiority' clause which your proposal does away with is fundamental to the concept of racism, as seen in the well-sourced opening sentence of Racism. Happy (Slap me) 13:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
The second one above is a definition of racialism, not racism, which is correctly defined in the first one. It would be good to combine these:
"The concept of race is foundational to racialism (belief that humans can be differentiated or distinguished socially or politically on the basis of physical characteristics common to identifiable racial groups) and to racism (belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another)."
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I don’t think that distinction between “racialism” and “racism” is used by reliable sources. My ODE (2010) just defines “racialism” as “another term for racism”. Our article racialism is a redirect to “scientific racism”. Rsk6400 (talk) 10:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Consensus

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Moved to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Biology § Is there a consensus in biology that race is a social construct?Closing duplicate discussion per WP:MULTI, WP:TALKFORK.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Is it tenable to claim there's a consensus when Dawkins, Pinker and Coyne disagree? Bogestra Bob (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Striking WP:BLOCKEVASION. Generalrelative (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe you understand what Dawkins is saying in that tweet. But even if you were correct, three scientists' dissent would not undermine the consensus of literally thousands of their fellows. Happy (Slap me) 21:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
In the opening section it says "Modern science regards..." then links to a couple of opinion pieces. I don't see a survey of biologists. Bogestra Bob (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Striking WP:BLOCKEVASION. Generalrelative (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Neither of the two linked sources are opinion pieces.
I strongly suggest you read the notice that Doug Weller provided you on your talk page and familiarize yourself with the subject (there happens to be a comprehensive encyclopedia article on the subject close at hand, to get you started) as well as the norms of modern science before you continue to advocate for changes to this page based (as the two comments you have made thus far demonstrably are) on your misunderstandings around the subject.
P.S. You should also read the notice on your talk page about discretionary sanctions, including all of the linked terms. That is highly useful, practical information about how to go about editing in contentious areas, and editors who edit without that information tend to quickly find themselves subject to sanctions. Happy (Slap me) 12:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
What I'm seeing here is all condescension and nothing about my point. Where is your survey of biologists? We're supposed to believe Dawkins and Coyne, both extremely distinguished biologists, think race isn't a "social construct", while the entire rest of the field does? Whether a concept is biological is a question for biology. Bogestra Bob (talk) 15:52, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Striking WP:BLOCKEVASION. Generalrelative (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes. Jerry Coyne has called himself an 'outlier' on this subject. Consensus does not mean universal agreement. MrOllie (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
My dear friend, please answer my question. Where are you getting this "consensus" from? It appears to be assumed out of hand here. Bogestra Bob (talk) 17:34, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
"Well, if that’s the consensus, I am an outlier." Coyne is responding to someone asserting a consensus. "If" is an important word there. Bogestra Bob (talk) 18:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Striking WP:BLOCKEVASION. Generalrelative (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Your argument changes direction every time someone responds to one of your points, so I'm beginning to believe it's not undertaken in good faith. I won't be responding further. I would direct you to my previous comment, and the advice therein one more time before I go, however. It would be to your benefit to take it. Happy (Slap me) 20:48, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm asking how a consensus was established, and getting non-responses like this. Perhaps the question should be raised elsewhere. Bogestra Bob (talk) 07:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC) Striking WP:BLOCKEVASION. Generalrelative (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Bogestra Bob re-opened this discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Biology#Is there a consensus in biology that race is a social construct?, so I'm closing this duplicate thread, which has seen no activity in over a week.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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In this page say that Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society. While partly based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning. The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. but is not all scientists disagree of the biological idea that there are races among humans rather that it is the scientific consensus that believes that race is a social construction.; 2804:431:C7C0:A0A7:A0A8:C2C:6A19:62F6 (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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