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I'm sure I've seen you reference this essay

WP:TALKINGSOFASTNOBODYCANHEARYOU. Is my memory that faulty? I can't find it, and it's possible the syntax isn't precise. Did you use this a sort of irony? I seem to remember you used the link to represent bullying behaviors. I'm seeing one such user who seems to be wanting to turn the entire AfD process on its head by using such a technique. BusterD (talk) 11:48, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I have sometimes used pseudo-links like these as a statement for their own sake, without writing an actual essay. I remember saying something like this, but I can't find it. I think this one was TALKINGSOMUCH... -- but I can't find it either. As for the problem, I've commented extensively at AN/I: , and will comment at the RfC also, But don't confuse the reasonable message, with which I am in agreement -- that Deletion Policy is overbalanced towards deletion, and one step towards rebalancing it would be to require some version of WP:BEFORE -- with the unreasonable way it is being over-expressed. DGG ( talk ) 23:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, David. I was a debater in school before "talking so fast" became the current style. I feel anything which games the system deserves appropriate response in order to keep the system sound. I appreciate your valid concern about deletion procedures being over-weighted toward one outcome. Thanks for your valuable comments in those forums. Be well. BusterD (talk) 23:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Ah yes, I had forgotten that context. And so was I, in college--a very valuable experience, especially in facilitating the sort of intercampus experiences only the athletic teams otherwise gave occasion for. But the stimulus is interesting: if I take a turn at NPP, the amount of junk turns me for a while into a deletionist before I catch myself and stop being so unfriendly to all the newcomers. If I take a look at AfD, the number of unwarranted nominations makes me inclined to give a similarly snappy and unjust response to all of them, with the less than rational thought that if I argue against all of them, maybe there's a chance the good ones will make it. Several good inclusionists have run into trouble here falling into such temptation. DGG ( talk ) 23:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Your talk at 16 Years of Misplaced Pages

Heard your lightning talk just now. I support both the "Radical solutions to promotional paid editing" proposals you announced on notability and restrictions on anon editors around companies newer than 1999 foundation. Are there some written proposals to refer to? - Brianhe (talk) 20:43, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

there will be--one of the reasons I gave the talk was to get some feedback about just what to propose, and I am already getting some. Watch this space tomorrow. DGG ( talk ) 20:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good. I will evangelize to the communities I'm part of, as soon as there's something to show them. - Brianhe (talk) 20:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
(talk page watcher)Hi, DGG! I'd like to hear that too. Link? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Video from the lightning talks is now available via Commons. DGG's lightning talk is the first one, proposal #1 is detailed at 2:15 and #2 at 3:00. - Brianhe (talk) 06:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


Combative deletion rebuttals

In the past, most paid or other promotional editors, when their articles have been deleted, have simply gone away and tried again, generally under another username. For a while now, an increasing number of them have been adopting the practice of arguing. Many admins ignore them; my response unless they are ridiculous altogether is to explain why, sometimes in detail. If they are a good faith but promotional editor who simply has not realized, they usually understand, though it sometimes take a second round of explanation. . If they are professional paid editor with any sense, they realise they;re not going to get anywhere, and go away--and try again usually under another name. Zealots with a unpaid COI have very often continued to argue, sometimes indefinitely. The best thing for us to do here is the traditional remedy, to ignore them. Some paid editors are now doing the same, hoping to wear people down. The best technique here is to block them. If they show up for the same purpose again, they can and should be summarily blocked as behavioral meatpuppets--though we usually run a checkuser for possibly helpful additional information. The danger, as has become clear, is catching a good faith but imitative editor. There are only 3 solutions: accept promotionalism , be able to investigate who people actually are, or accept there will be occasional injustice. I will oppose the first as long as I work here, I will continue trying to change consensus to permit the second, and , alas, be forced to accept the third. .. . DGG ( talk ) 03:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Passing of David Goodman

David Goodman, user:DGG, passed away Thursday April 6, 2023. David was active in many parts of Misplaced Pages and had hundreds of collaborators, including in-person outreach with Wikimedia New York City. I am coordinating an obituary for him with Wikimedia NYC and The Signpost. Anyone who would like to coordinate in developing this may directly edit DGG obituary, but please bring discussion to The Signpost newsroom. I will later replace this development message with the link to the obituary. Bluerasberry (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

  • One of the very best in our community. I feel this loss personally as David was incredibly helpful to me in my early days as a novice editor. My deepest condolences to his family, friends and loves ones. May his memory be eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Rest well, DGG, you've lived a great life and your memory surely will be a blessing! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 18:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • This is tragic news. I had the privilege of meeting David ten years ago at Wikimania, where we shared a session. I appreciated his vast knowledge of the movement and his keen insights into Misplaced Pages culture. His wisdom will be greatly missed. guillom 18:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • One of Misplaced Pages's best. Paul Erik 18:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Rest in peace David. Condolences to all friends and family. -- KTC (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • I am deeply saddened by his departure and I think the loss is vast. Condolences to his family and my sympathy for the NYC community. --M/ (talk) 18:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • May his memory be a blessing. --Guerillero 18:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • I will miss David's gentleness, his directness. A model administrator and effective teacher, User:DGG's edits will endure. I hope his family learns he was a widely respected wikipedian, an exemplar. BusterD (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • God bless and R.I.P. I can't believe we are losing so many editors this way. Scorpions13256 (talk) 18:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Devastating. David was one of my favourite editors of all time. He brought so much knowledge and energy to this project and yet was always humble. I will miss him greatly. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Sad to hear. A wise and omnipresent contributor who will be impossible to replace. Sionk (talk) 19:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • So saddened to hear this news. David often managed to persuade me to reconsider my opinions on a lot of matters, both editorial and administrative. He was one of the most respected functionaries, and we will always be aware of his absence. He was a formidable man, editor, administrator, functionary, and a walking educational resource. May his memory be a blessing. Risker (talk) 19:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Painful to hear; we have suffered a great loss to this project. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • DGG was a lion of librarianship, editing, opinion, New York, and pretty much everything he touched was warmed and affected by him. He gave immense credibility to Misplaced Pages through his professional experience, and he took sharp views on issues that caused immense controversy. I hope he's enjoying a bagel with all too much schmear. Ocaasi 19:31, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • David could always be counted on to see users as real people, and not to accept conventional wisdom on face value. He will be greatly missed. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • An outstanding, kind, and generous person. I had the great pleasure of meeting him in real life several times. I will remember him and miss him. תנצב״ה. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • A huge loss. I liked and respected DGG immensely. Deepest condolences to his family. --bonadea contributions talk 19:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • This is very sad news. DGG was an immensely valued contributor here, and his loss will be felt. My sincere condolences to his friends and family. Giraffer 20:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • DGG was the reviewer who accepted my very first article almost exactly 4 years ago and got me going down this path. Curbon7 (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Aw no. Incredibly valuable editor – rest in peace. J947 † 20:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • I didn't know him all that well, but our paths crossed quite a few times across my Misplaced Pages career. I always thought him to be a kind and knowledgeable editor, who made well thought arguments without letting his passions get in the way. Misplaced Pages needs editors like him and he will be missed.Dave (talk) 20:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • David, it breaks my heart to hear of your passing. You are not just a rock of the Misplaced Pages community in New York City and beyond, but also a dear friend whose insight and advice have always been well appreciated by myself and others. I and others will always miss you, and may your memory and legacy always be a blessing for the Wikipedians of today and of the generations to come. Que descanse en paz siempre, my friend. --Sky Harbor 20:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Oh wow, this is a shock. I served with David on the Arbitration Committee a couple of times, and knew him to be a person of great integrity and thoughtfulness. His presence on Misplaced Pages will be greatly missed. AGK (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • I admired David for his wisdom, persistence, and kind spirit, and I will miss him a lot.--ragesoss (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
  • It is said that no one truly dies until their name is forgotten. David's name will live on in the minds and memories of everyone who worked with him on this project. It was an honor to work with him as an editor and to serve with him on arbcom - he was always reasonable, kind, and intelligent. With love, ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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