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Invasion of Ibrean panuselia

Muslims conquered Spain + Portugal in 711 A.D, but in 654 A.D they invaded it for the first time by the orders of Caliph Uthman, 655 when the agitation against Uthman(RA) grew Muslim armies were unable to go further and withdraw from their outposts, thus it was an only short occupation of the coastal region of Andalusia in Spain. That's it, some users here messed up the article because of the same issue so I have explained it now there should be no confusion.

Mohammad Adil 09:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The Visigoths conquered the Byzantine territory of Spania along the southern coast of Iberia. There are no Visigothic records of the Visigoths encountering Muslim outposts on Iberia's southern coast; which one would expect if they were there when the Visigoths took over - the Visigothic kingdom, especially in its later phases, is well documented. Nor have any archaeological remains been found of such sites. Perhaps the references are to shortlived outposts that were abandoned before the Visigoths took over "Spania" or these incursions never went beyond being anything more than exploratory raids. After all, the Arab records on this are vague and limited.

Actually, these were not whole-scale invasions, they were what we could more accurately call footholds on Iberian coastlines in 655, before starting some serious actions inland, Muslims abandon those outposts along with the coastline of north-western Africa with the start of civil war one year later in 656.

الله أكبرMohammad Adil 16:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Mention of term "Haq Char Yaar"?

I'd run across the term "Haq Char Yaar" in some other place on the internet, and managed to track down that it means "the first four caliphs" and is pretty commonly used in Pakistani culture. Is there any way we can work in mention of this term into the article? MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Really! There is no reason to work a modern Urdu phrase into an article on the first four caliphs 1400 years ago. Not even the Anglicized phrase "Rashidun Caliphate" was used fourteen hundred years ago! It was invented in Arabic much later as a handy historical label. Can't we find a professional historian fluent in English to write this article? The first thing to check is, "When were these four caliphs first called the "Rashidun Caliphs"? They were not so called in their lifetimes, they were not so called in their century, they were no so called in any language for centuries. Who was the first Muslim historian to use the phrase? 100.8.239.196 (talk) 00:29, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hasan Is the Fifth Caliph?

Hello, I'm Fazoffic

Previously I'm Sorry For Not Telling Other Editors About My Edits. I usually make edits on the Indonesian Misplaced Pages and Arabic Misplaced Pages so I rarely do it on the English Misplaced Pages.

As for After that, Me and My Crew Contacted Several Parties from the Islamic University of Medina and We Found Information That They Considered Hasan ibn Ali as the Fifth Caliph based on and . Because They Think Hasan Fulfilled the Six Months Left of His Father Ali.

So Shouldn't we just include this information in the article?. Or maybe not because it's not too important?

Thank you. Fazoffic (talk) 00:28, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Musnad Ahmad and Ibn Kathir's al-Bidaya wa-l-nihaya are what we call 'primary sources'. Interpreting such sources or making inferences from them is what we call original research, which is not allowed on the English Misplaced Pages: as an encyclopedia, we follow existing, independent research already published by academic publishers. Such a publication containing established original research is what we call a 'secondary source'.

For example, in Hasan ibn Ali#Sunni Islam, we are citing Melchert 2020 on this very topic of Hasan ibn Ali being regarded as a fifth Rashidun caliph. Christopher Melchert is an established academic expert on early Sunnism (also note that he works from a secular perspective, which is necessary here to qualify as independent research), and I.B. Tauris is a well-known and reliable academic publishing house. This qualifies as a reliable, independent, secondary source. If you can point us to a secondary (containing established research), independent (secular), reliable (academic) source of this type, we could use it to add something to the relevant articles (in the first place to Hasan ibn Ali). If you don't know of such a source, it's probably better to spend your time on something else.

Melchert, Christopher (2020). "The Rightly Guided Caliphs: The Range of Views Preserved in Ḥadīth". In al-Sarhan, Saud (ed.). Political Quietism in Islam: Sunni and Shi'i Practice and Thought. London and New York: I.B. Tauris. pp. 63–79. ISBN 978-1-83860-765-4.

Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 12:09, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Rashidun Caliph(s)

At present Rashidun Caliph and Rashidun Caliphs redirect not here, but to Rashidun. I think here would likely be better, maybe with a hatnote to the other. The bigger problem is that the other article is a bit of a mess, has an unclear scope, and overlaps in apparent scope with this one. One possibility is that the other should be more explicitly about Rashidun as a concept -- perhaps with particular reference to the different interpretations of that -- rather than the historical entity or bios. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 17:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

"Patriarchal Caliphate" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Expansion of the Arab empire" listed at Redirects for discussion

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