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Why again?

Dear @Jingiby:; I just have a simple question - why after all the long, arduous and heated discussions of the past two years are you trying to reverse all the progress that was made in clearing this article of political connotations? Are you being paid and supported by a government official for the "work" you are doing on Misplaced Pages? The lengthy quotations that you are adding to not serve to support the term used between quotations, they only serve to push a certain view. Abnormalcy333 (talk) 09:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Adding an academic source and citing it, where requested, does not meet the above description. Jingiby (talk) 09:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

It does, because it goes off-topic. Abnormalcy333 (talk) 05:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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I don't think I assumed bad faith with my last point so there is no need to defend. I just pointed out that you are again adding content that is impertinent to this linguistic article. Best. Abnormalcy333 (talk) 07:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Abnormalcy333: I reported Jingiby's recent disruptive editing at WP:ANI and requested a ban from the topic "Macedonia". That should solve the problem for good even without blocking the user.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Lexicon

Since it states it in the article that Macedonian is part of a dialect continuum with Bulgarian, it is hard to understand what it means that due to its proximity Macedonian language "borrowed" a lot of words from Bulgarian. Does it mean it borrowed from standard/Eastern Bulgarian? This is rather misleading. The article as it is now is a mixture of scientific facts and arbitrary statements, and it is quite useless in my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.136.246 (talk) 13:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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I'd like to change the writing of the first paragraph of the «Dialects» section, specifically the following passage

During the standardization process of the Macedonian language, the dialectal base selected was primarily based on the West-Central dialects, which spans the triangle of the communities Makedonski Brod, Kičevo, Demir Hisar, Bitola, Prilep, and Veles. These were considered the most widespread and most likely to be adopted by speakers from other regions.The initial idea to select this region as a base was first proposed in Krste Petkov Misirkov's works as he believed the Macedonian language should abstract on those dialects that are distinct from neighboring Slavic languages, such as Bulgarian and Serbian. Likewise, this view does not take into account the fact that a Macedonian koiné language was already in existence.

The very last sentence leads to think a Macedonian koiné, though already existing by the time of codification, was replaced or not taken into account by the standardizing team. By that indication, the writing is ambiguous. However, that's not the impression that is shown on the source provided (Comrie & Corbett 2002). It says:

During the Second World War, Tito's Communists won jurisdiction over Macedonia, and on 2 August 1944, Macedonian was formally declared the official language of the Republic of Macedonia. The standardization of Literary Macedonian proceeded rapidly after its official recognition, in part because an inter-dialectal koine was already functioning. The West Central region , which was the largest in both area and population, supplied a dialectal base to which speakers from other areas could adjust their speech most easily. In many respects these dialects are also maximally differentiated from both Serbo-Croat and Bulgarian, but differentiation was not an absolute principle in codification.

The source states that the West-Central dialect codification of Macedonian was facilitated by the fact that a koiné was already in place. However, it gives the impression that it was either not based off these dialects or was just ignored. 190.237.37.156 (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

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