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Ukraine Village Recapture

Should "Ukrainian forces recapture the village of Rivnopil in Donetsk Oblast, according to Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar" included in the portal? Carter00000 (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

No. As per my previous edit summary, I believe that the news is not notable enough, given that the cited source itself said that nine similar events had occurred during the past one month period. Given the frequency of the events, I do not feel any single event is notable enough for the portal. Carter00000 (talk) 05:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, as it indicates Ukraine is retaking territory now that has been held since early 2022. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:10, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, as notable territorial recaptures have always been included. This shouldn’t have been removed in the first place. The Kip (talk) 16:11, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Reply to IJBall & The Kip, I'm not disputing the idea that territory is being recaptured; this has undoubtedly been happening. Simply put, I am contesting what level of notability a "capture" should have/how large a territory should be, in order to qualify for inclusion in the portal. We cannot record every single change in territory because it is natural for land to be regularly gained or change hands during the course of a conflict.

For this entry, this sources notes that this village is "the ninth recaptured by Ukraine this month". That's an average of one occurrence every three days, such frequency can only be considered routine. The article further notes that the village was "deserted and heavily damaged", so this was unlikely to have been a notable gain. No further information in the article states/notes that this was a capture of any significance.

Given the above, I simply don't see how this is a "notable" capture, rather then something which is a routine part of the conflict.

Considering where this village was recaptured, it is important enough to report here. Also, it's 2-to-1 in favor, so I am going to restore this, as there is clearly not consensus in favor of removal.... Note: I am not saying every village capture is relevant enough for 'Current Events' – but some of them will be, and this one is. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't see how the location for this specific village is special, compared to the other captures which I mentioned in my previous reply. I acknowledge your point that the captures were of territory held by Russia since 2022, but since it seems most of the territory recaptured falls under this category, I don't see how this specific village is notable. Carter00000 (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Rivnopil might not be a major town or city but given the context of the ongoing Ukrainian counter-offensive, and how contested the front line in Eastern Ukraine is right now, even a small village changing hands is significant. Also, it has international coverage and to me that signals notability. I don't see the issue with including it, especially since there's no other battlefield updates on this day's portal. GWA88 (talk) 21:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I'd argue that given how contested the front line is right now, it actually makes each capture of territory less significant, given that a territory changing hands is likely to be much more frequent, making each capture less significant.

I also note that we're not obligated to provide battlefield updates on the conflict each day, if there is no significant information, we should simply not post anything. Carter00000 (talk) 01:23, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Biden Announcement

Should "U.S. President Joe Biden addresses the short-lived rebellion that unfolded this weekend against Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying that the United States and its allies were in no way involved" included in the portal? Carter00000 (talk) 05:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

No. As per my previous edit summary, I believe that the news is not notable enough, given that it is only rhetoric without any basis in actual information or reply to any statement. Carter00000 (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)