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I'll be taking a step back for a while. It's disappointing to see our benevolent dictator entirely ignoring the "completely hysterical" community after asking for its opinion; I'll be re-evaluating whether I want to continue to be part of it. I might be slow to respond here; e-mail will be a better option if you need to get in touch with me right away. In the meantime, thanks for all the fish.

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Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Misplaced Pages. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 21:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Chinacard.jpg

This page seems to have been created in the Image space instead of the main space. If you have a chance, could you move it? Burzmali 21:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's an image. The table there is part of the image description. The same person who uploaded the image created an accompanying article at China Card, but it was speedily deleted as an advertising page (G11). The image will probably be deleted soon since it does not have appropriate licensing information (it is a copyrighted book cover, and no fair use is asserted). —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 22:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, checked the deletion log but I must have had the wrong name. Is there an easy way to check is a specific user has created an article that was deleted? Burzmali 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge :( One of my biggest feature requests atm. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 22:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion log for the page. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 22:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Emma Watson

Hi. I think I screwed up my edit to the Emma Watson article. I wanted to correct the word "Maths" to "Math" and get rid of the overly verbose and possibly OR passage given in the eighth and last source under References, but it ended up chopping off the last few sections of the article after Personal Life, and my attmepts to revert this by restoring prior edits didn't work. (The verbose passage in the seventh source also seems unnecessary.) Thanks. Nightscream 02:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Should be fixed up now. It's my understanding, though, that the English use the word "maths" to stand for mathematics (where as we just use "math"), so that's probably why it was listed that way in the article. That change may get reverted, I'm not sure. I didn't see any reason for the quote sections either, so I removed them. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 03:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

deletions from Carfax (company)

User:SpuriousQu is up to the same tricks as User:Roybuoy with that article and I saw you were responsible for the permanent block of Roybuoy. Perhaps I could entice you to take care of SpuriousQu? Thanks Cornell Rockey 01:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Both SpuriousQu and Wikiboyy have been blocked. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 05:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

reply to your question on AN/I

see AN/I. Dmcdevit explicitly stated in that particular AN/I thread I provided that the community's patience with that user is exhausted.--Certified.Gangsta 04:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I have responded in the thread. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 04:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I responded again.--Certified.Gangsta 05:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Archive indexer code

I was just typing up a comment and fixing the archive indexer opt-in for you, but it looks like you've figured it out yourself. If you have any suggestions for improvements to the instructions to make that more clear, feel free to let me know (or simply make them, after all, they're part of the wiki :)) —Krellis (Talk) 05:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I just noticed that it doesn't seem to have worked properly for your archives. Everything else it's running on currently has a space between "Archive" and the number, so I'm guessing that there's a bug in there somewhere. I'm just heading off the computer for the night now, but I'll be sure to look at it tomorrow. Sorry about that! —Krellis (Talk) 05:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

No rush, thanks for looking into it. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 05:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Aha, that space you removed did the trick - when I first saw that edit in your edit history I thought it shouldn't make any difference, but I didn't pay enough attention to where the space was. The code tolerates spaces around the "|"s, but not around the "="s. I've changed this so it will tolerate spaces in both locations, so others don't get tripped up by this the way you did, and your archive index looks like it has been generated correctly now. Enjoy! —Krellis (Talk) 16:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :D. Looks like I really need to clean up some headers in my archives, though :P —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 17:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

How dare you

You abuse your powers by censoring my discussion opinions. I thaught Misplaced Pages had a policy of no censorship. Manic Hispanic 06:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Replied on user's talk page. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 17:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Your point is taken, but since when is the drudge report not a reliable source and the New York Times is? I just am angered after reading wikipedias articles on politicians for years, how much controversy and or criticism is written of any perticular politician left right and center sometimes even more then is needed i.e bush and hillary clinton. And then I read Obama's, and you'd think it was written by his publicist. Manic Hispanic 06:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

E-mailed

I've e-mailed; I hope I'm doing the right thing. --PaxEquilibrium 22:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

About those samples - I just gave three, but there are at least ten times more => if that's the problem, just tell me and I'll send you some more evidence. --PaxEquilibrium 23:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. --PaxEquilibrium 12:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello I would like to point out to you that this is not the first time PaxEquilibrium is accusing someone without real proof. I have just found this: Check Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Kubura, he also accused Kubura on the same basis as me, he is from Croatia and edits Croatia-related articles. Tar-Elenion 23:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

If you don't mind I would like to see the so called proof PaxEquilibrium sent you (by email) as per talk at WP:AN/I. Thank you. Tar-Elenion 13:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I will provide a summary of the evidence if I find it conclusive on your talk page and AN/I. I won't give specifics due to WP:BEANS. I'm not there yet, though. If you have anything to send me, feel free to e-mail me. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 18:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

All done. If you need anything more, don't be a stranger. --PaxEquilibrium 19:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Going to follow up in a bit. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 19:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

One more proof

The IP used by both Afrika paprika (and Factanista, Zrinski & the others) and Tar-Elenion isn't just an ordinary one used across Croatia - it's a localized one - Zagreb (Croatia's capital) or its surroundings. --PaxEquilibrium 22:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Guess what? No. My ISP is based in Zagreb (as is any other ISP in Croatia), I am not (don't know about these other people as I don't even know who they are). Fine "proof" you have there. Bbatsell I had enough of this lunatic and of this charade, can you please hurry up and get him off my back, please? Tar-Elenion 23:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Could you please stop calling me a lunatic? It doesn't help because this is exactly how Afrika paprika used to call me. Please read WP:NPA (I remember that you gave a personal attack warning to Nikola Smolenski recently). --PaxEquilibrium 23:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Everything I say or do, you say: "this is typical behaviour by AfrikaPaprika" or "this is exactly the same thing AfrikaPaprika used to do" or "this is just what AfrikaPaprika used to say" and whatever bla bla bla. This is a charade! Tar-Elenion 00:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

No; I'm just discouraging you from using vulgar and obscene wording. --PaxEquilibrium 12:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Bbatsell, any news? --PaxEquilibrium 12:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Coming along; waiting to hear back from some people with more access than I at the moment. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 01:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well

I am not a newbie to Misplaced Pages, I have been reading articles here forever, specifically the history and politics related ones. I have been an editor for awile now, but I choose to focus on minor edits and certain topics like El Salvador and eccentric radio hosts i.e Alex Jones. Manic Hispanic 03:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism on my user page

Thanks! I can finally use the vandalism counter userbox. I feel so cool! ;) --Kimon 01:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Great job

great job —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.127.15 (talk) 03:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

another one

hi - could you have a look at this? Looks like another vandalism-only account. thanks Tvoz | talk 04:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

done—bbatsell ¿? ✍ 04:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

that was fast! thx - it's depressing having to revert such idiots Tvoz | talk 04:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Abul_moosada here too please. thanks! --HailFire 16:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that one, but he hadn't been warned until after his last edit, and he appears to have stopped. If he comes back and vandalizes again, he should get a block immediately. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 16:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Bingo. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=H._Rushton&diff=prev&oldid=115099932 --HailFire 17:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 17:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You've been a terrific help keeping the Barack Obama article open to all who seek to improve it. Many thanks. --HailFire 08:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I can fully appreciate the need to take a step back from Misplaced Pages now and then. But may I just add that your expert admin work during the recent window of open editing on Barack Obama offers a clear and convincing demonstration that semi-protection is not the only option we have to deal with unhelpful edits. I counted less than half a dozen troublesome unregistered editors that were active when the last sprot was applied. If the admin who applied sprot had followed your example and instead applied a few carefully selected blocks to the repeat offenders, the article might still be open to all. The recent flood of angry edits by one user looks to have been in part a frustrated user's reaction to the application of sprot and the shutting out of the article's anon detractors. More evidence (for me at least) that open editing promotes more open thinking. Enjoy your break, you will be missed. --HailFire 14:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

AN/I report by User:Mardavich

I responded to the complaint. I was pretty uncivil, but only while talking on my own talk page, another editors or in repsonse to his numerous complaints. he kinda freaked me out with his behavior, which approaches Wiki-stalking (having been stalked, it's a panic button for me). I realize that may not condone my opinions of him, but I hope they can be seen in context.Arcayne 17:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see you guys appear to have worked things out on your own. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 22:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Leaving Misplaced Pages

Regarding Allegations of Israeli Apartheid and earlier items with MiddleEastern/Okedem, I feel sorry I stepped in now. User:Slimvirgin has used it as an excuse to make false accusations that I am someone I not, apparently because I reported her abusive friend user:Bastique for his attacks upon me.

I'm quitting Misplaced Pages, there's no point in remaining if this is how administrators behave. I'm sorry that my earlier view of administrators as helpful individuals turned out to be a disgustingly poor misjudgement, and most of them are abusive jerks like Slimvirgin, Bastique, and Jersey Devil. One Elephant went out to play... 19:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your kind words in your post to AN/I with respect to the Essjay controversy talk page. This article is just a tad more controversial than my usual Misplaced Pages work; it's a relief to have a respected editor like you say that I've been doing okay. Risker 22:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, you've certainly earned it. You have a lot more patience than I. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 23:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

"Canvassing"

While what I done is not canvassing (since it is only a neutral invitation to editors), I'm surprised that you did not note that Corticopia, the article nominator AfD, did the same, before I did it.

In fact, I started inviting editors when I noticed he was inviting those who voted "delete". Again, I'm surprised that you passed judgemente without investigating first. Please check the message I've left. AlexCovarrubias 23:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Then, you should edit your comment there, because it doesn't say anything about Corticopia's "canvassing". However, again, he started, and when I noticed he was inviting those who voted delete, I invited the rest of the editors. AlexCovarrubias 23:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well then you're not being neutral, since one thing is that a third party points the "canvassing" and another is that I, as the nominator, point it. Anyway... thanks... AlexCovarrubias 23:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Bb, thanks for being on the ball -- please note that I have invited a variety of editors, administrators, and (earlier) commentators at other articles (e.g., Talk:Canada, Geography wikiproject) -- not just those who opted to 'delete' -- to weigh in again. Thus, I don't think my actions qualify as 'canvassing'; however, I apologise for any real or imagined breach in protocol. Corticopia 10:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Microperfectcorp

Oh, sorry. Thanks for letting me know. So should I undo the block and block it again with the correct settings? Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 18:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, I've redone the block, but it was autoblock-off before already. The problem was I didn't enable account creation, which I've now done. Thanks again for letting me know. Xiner (talk, email) 18:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Stevenstone93

Would you please review this. Thanks. -- Jreferee 18:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Template:Wikipediahistory

Hey Qxz, I'm concerned that Conservapedia has been added to "Related projects and forks" in this template. To be honest, I'm not sure how it's related to Misplaced Pages at all (except for their baseless assertions of bias, but that's irrelevant). I think that including Conservapedia in this list (and I haven't checked the other members) could imply that it is, in fact, "related" to Misplaced Pages in an official way, which isn't at all accurate. Could you clarify your reasons for adding it? Thanks! —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 19:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It's "related" because it's a wiki-based Internet encyclopedia that makes repeated references to Misplaced Pages in its principles – in fact, it almost defines itself by pointing out issues with Misplaced Pages which it wants to avoid. I think that counts as "related". If you can suggest a different wording that you think doesn't make it sound official, go ahead and change it; however, given some of the existing items on there (Wikitruth, for example), I don't think anyone's going to mistake it for a list of related projects – and I would argue Conservapedia deserves to be on there at least as much as Wikitruth does. Thanks – Qxz 19:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

As I said, I wasn't speaking to the other items, but I agree, and would argue that Wikitruth should also not be included. :) Forks I don't have a problem with including, but from what I can tell, there are only 2 listed that could possibly be called forks. I guess my problem is with what the definition of "related" is — who determines whether a project is related to Misplaced Pages? I guess I should move this to the talk page of the template. Headed there now. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 20:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk Page

Another editor is being uncivil and continues to make remarks directed at me. Please tell that person to stop. QuackGuru 20:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Empty categories

Hi Bbatsell. I asked this question before but was told it can't be done, but your answer to my question on WP:AN makes me think it can, so here's the question. How can I tell how long a category has been empty? Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 02:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You're right, you can't tell through MediaWiki (to my knowledge, anyway), but I checked really quick to see if the user who created it had been in it until recently, and I couldn't find at all, so I made an assumption based on what appeared to be a complete lack of activity w.r.t. the category. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 02:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

A Barnstar Point!

		A Barnstar Point
		Awarded for deleting rampant original research nonsense from the Godwin's law article. — SMcCandlish ツ 05:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

disruptive editing

I believe we have a problem - please see this - the edit summaries and the edits themselves. I reverted the whole thing back to an earlier version from today as it's too much to wade through, but I think some intervention might be needed. I can't tell if this is well-meaning or not - maybe you can. See also the article's Talk page. Thanks Tvoz | talk 21:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And, it appears to be the same individual as this. Tvoz | talk 21:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

hello again - same thing happened today - I reverted a bunch of stuff, some of which had new errors, some of which is obviously unnotable, and tried reason, but it's not working. Some of the edits would be ok,and I kept a few, but the volume and the nature of some - and the edit summaries - makes it difficult to go through one by one, for me anyway. So I think this fellow could use some mentoring, giving the benefit of the doubt (which I'm not so sure is warranted). thanks for any insights you have Tvoz | talk 21:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: The guy has been warned, and blocked for 48 hrs, so maybe we're ok now. Or maybe not - we'll see. Sorry, I had not noticed the note on top of this page that said you were pulling back. I totally understand that and didn't mean to intrude on your time. I hope you'll be back soon, as your voice is always one of reason. Best wishes Tvoz | talk 00:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)