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The flag shown is the wrong flag. This: Sanshokuki2 Is the proper flag. I can't make the edit because it locked

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Not sure we want to include new links to pages that are being evaluated for their validity. The pages related to Nichiren Shoshu and Taisekiji are largely unsourced "original research"; or the citations are to the subject's own websites - both violations of WP policy. --Daveler16 (talk) 04:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Once again Daveler, you are wrong. Regarding Article 23, you stated that all vehement criticisms of the Nichiren Shoshu are from the past. Here is an up to date SGI 2019 website, https://nichiren.com/eng/index.php/news/ in which SGI takes apart the Nichiren Shoshu 2602:306:CC5C:C1A9:40E3:BBE6:7162:7932 (talk) 01:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC) Mark R. Rogow

Removed picture

A pic of a Gohonzon was added directly under the pic of the Gohonzon that's already here. As there is no need for it, and no need to specify who transcribed it or to use the Japanese word for "altar", I removed it.--Daveler16 (talk) 16:57, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Butsudan and altar and not exactly synonymous. A butsudan is the box that holds a gohonzon. The altar is the broader setup. Secondly the transcriber of the Gohonzon is important because it was a signficant part of the history of the Soka Gakkai. It was the Gohonzon that was distributed after the expulsion from Nichiren Shoshu. It is commonly referred to as the "Nichikan Gohonzon". It is also significant that the distributed Gohonzon is an edited version of the original. The remove those statements takes out crucial details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.75 (talk) 15:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Original picture was removed by a new editor, and a new one substituted for it. I changed the caption to English terminology. The explanation of its transcription is in the text so it's not necessary to repeat it in the caption. Major edits should be discussed on the Talk Page, as many editors have worked for many years to make this article as accurate and informative as possible, and have to be given the opprtunity to discuss edits.--Daveler16 (talk) 18:12, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Blue line?

What does it mean that books have been "bluelined for verification"? (See View History March 3rd)--Daveler16 (talk) 01:27, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

See wikt:blueline. Editor2020 (talk) 01:54, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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Sections of this article read like they were written by someone with personal involvement

This applies to other sections, but the most prominent one in my mind is the one that reads:

"Soka Gakkai has long been a subject of criticism in the Japanese weekly tabloid news/magazine press. Press criticism of the Soka Gakkai should be seen against the backdrop of negative press coverage of new religious movements in general. It is important to understand that Japanese journalism is unlike that of the West. Scholars point out that less than two percent of journalists in Japan have degrees in journalism. That plus feeble libel laws leave little recourse for the victims of malicious defamation. Associate Professor of Religion at Hamilton College, Richard Seager writes that it is time to cease being overly intrigued by the Soka Gakkai’s history of controversy. “Over the course of a relatively short period, the Soka Gakkai moved from the margins of Japanese society into its mainstream.”"

This seems like way too much analysis for an encyclopedia entry. I'd trim this down to something like:

"Soka Gakkai has been subject to criticism in Japanese weekly tabloid news/magazine press, but current scholarship shows them being more in the mainstream of Japanese society than in its margins."

Bigfreakingkelleher (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Bigfreakingkelleher and LaunchOctopus: Go ahead and edit. Be an "excellent citizen". WP:WEASEL, WP:FLUFF, WP:NPOV, WP:VERIFIABILITY all look like they're highly applicable throughout this article. You can contribute to "humanistic progress and continuous improvement" of this article by improving its "vision and structure" in line with Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines. Let the source, culture and education be with you! But please don't violate WP:RELTIME by writing about "current scholarship". Date the scholarship to whenever it was done. It's unlikely that you're going to edit this particular article to update it for new scholarship every year for the next 20 or 30 years. Boud (talk) 02:03, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
It seems nothing was ever done about this, so I've added the NPOV tag. Given the vast amount of criticism out there about Soka Gakkai, its one tiny mention of "cult appellation" amongst _tons_ of laudatory fluff is entirely NPOV. -Etoile ✩ (talk) 10:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

About Seikyo Shimbun

The information about the SG's newspaper Seikyo Shimbun is unofficial and deserves to be corrected. The newspaper claims 5,5 millions copies in circulation, but this account is made by the Sôka gakkai itself, and it is disputed. The Seikyo Shimbun is not sold at newsstands in Japan, only through subscription, made by members of the SG. Thus, it is not correct to claim it is the 3rd japanese newspaper. Raoul Mishima (talk) 11:47, 19 november 2023 (UTC)

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