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In the intro of the section 'effects' please add that "There is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure. Even brief exposure can be harmful to health." This is supported by citation no. 133 from the CDC fact sheet Also additional sources are from:

1) US surgeon general:  
2) The EPA: 
3) American Lung Association: 
4) American cancer society: 
5) Australian government Department of health:
6) National Cancer Institute:

Also in the same section's sub-section 'Cancer: General' , please add "Secondhand smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals, of which hundreds are toxic and about 70 can cause cancer." source: citation no.133 from CDC: and from the American cancer society:

Thank you! 2409:4042:2E1F:FE5B:9571:54ED:1ED0:DDFD (talk) 18:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Second part is done. I don't know if we really need the first sentence; it's not like the article implies otherwise. Leaving request open for another opinion. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I find the first sentence about no risk-free level to be helpful information for readers. It looks supported by the sources. I'd probably support adding it. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I can see benefits from both. On one hand the article's 3rd sentence screams that it's dangerous and so adding it may be superfluous. On the other, it can be imperative to clarify that the health detriment of the smoke isn't either "nothing" or "horrible disease". I would lean more so on adding it. If we can reasonably get away with further hammering home that smoking is bad, I think we should take it, and the requested addition is extremely inobtrusive from my point of view. Sirdog9002 (talk) 23:05, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Note: I'm closing this request while it's under discussion per Remember to change the answered no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Scene in Runaway Jury

Scene: Lonnie Shaver's fellow jurors request him not to secondhand smoke. Please create "Pop culture" section and mention this. Rizosome (talk) 05:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Not done. WP:FANCRUFT, not important to the subject. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 20:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose to merge Sidestream smoke into this article because everything that needs to be covered about sidestream smoke is also covered in this article. Needforspeed888 (talk) 20:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

This merge seems reasonable to me. AdequateNBAfan (talk) 01:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd agree, except that Passive smoking, at 137k, is WP:TOOBIG and so having a separate article is warranted. Klbrain (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Closing, given the uncontested objection with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 10:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Title change proposal

With an increase in literature on third-hand smoke, the dichotomy between active and passive smoking seems less relevant. As such, I'd propose changing the beginning term to secondhand or second-hand smoke, which would move to passive smoking to one of the alternate terms. AdequateNBAfan (talk) 01:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

page move

@Sjö: the article introduces "passive smoking" but continues "secondhand smoking" c.f. Effects - there is no continuity Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

The term "secondhand smoke" refers to the smoke itself, while the term "passive smoking" refers to being subjected to the smoke. Hope that explains things. Anyway, that is no reason to move the article away from the WP:COMMONNAME. Sjö (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Second hand smoke is also common: as I indicated "smoking" is the action part of the subject - which is a generalized concept: smoking smoker (1) but means to ignite tobacco to make smoke to inhale for drug-use (2). So 1 is taken to mean 2. This I think is obvious and without contention. "Passive smoking" isn't therefore a fusion of two ideas successfully but is a confusion of the idea of (1) as I have shown, that by the fact of passive, no action smoking is occuring. Wouldn't you agree? whether or not "passive smoking" is the commonest version, which I'm not stating it isn't (although I don't see you've provided any indication of proof currently to support your claim). Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 22:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

The participation in the habit-activity of the consumption of tobacco for it's psychoactive effects is by the application of sufficient heat to cause a state of ignition where-by smoke is created = smoking. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I can not understand what it is you are trying to say or what your argument is. But i guess that it is based on an etymological fallacy; since "to smoke" is an active action where someone lights tobacco and inhales the smoke that means that any phrase that contains the verb "smoke" must use "smoke" in exactly that meaning. That is incorrect, and language does not work that way. Sjö (talk) 05:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Well I'll try and re-express in a more understandable way. As I'm presuming we both know "tobacco smoking" is easy to know as "people who smoke tobacco" both of which refer to people who inhale tobacco smoke which they themselves caused (another way of expressing this would be: people who are tobacco smokers because they like the effects of tobacco and, or, they are addicted). So:

tobacco smoking / people who smoke tobacco = people who inhale tobacco smoke

I think this is possible to know as true and non conflictually/disagreeably. So tobacco smoking, the process is 1: the tobacco product 2: the tobacco product purchased 3: the access of the tobacco for consumption (removal from packet, or into a pipe) 4: the application of heat to cause smoke. 1 - 4 is what tobacco smokers do to smoke tobacco as we understand it. So 4 is the making of smoke. There is no other position 1 - 4 which indicates consumption of the tobacco. 4: making of smoke is tobacco smoker/tobacco smoking. Without the smoke, there is no consumption (except perhaps a faint whiff of tobacco from the unlit product). With regards to "passive smoking": the passive inhalers did not do 2 (they didn't participate in the activity of 2) or 3 or 4. 4 is the definition of smoking 1 - 3 looks like toacco smoker, but could be looked at the product didn't consume (as a possible reality). So 4 is crucial to know the difference between if someone is a smoker or not. Although 1 - 3 is the way smokers get to 4. Passive inhalers haven't done any of 1 - 4. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 01:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

"Passive inhaling of tobacco smoke" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Passive inhaling of tobacco smoke has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 6 § Passive inhaling of tobacco smoke until a consensus is reached. Sjö (talk) 10:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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