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Caseeart move warring

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• Caseeart (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Avi Yemini (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

@Caseeart has engaged in move warring in regards to Avi Yemini an article which is currently in draft leaving misleading edit summaries in his moves and has refused to engage in discussion.

For reference the article has been deleted twice by AfD in the past and on both occasions the reason for deletions was the subject was not notable:

• Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Avi_Yemini
• Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Avi_Yemini_(2nd_nomination)

However during the pandemic the individual became notable in Australia and there are numerous citations in the article which can be seen in the article in its current form at Draft:Avi Yemini Draft.

• first moves to draft with edit summary "Deleted multiple times (problems not corrected). WP:ATTACK not suitable for BLP." This edit summary is misleading and patently false. Anyone with eyes can attest the article in its current form has 16 citations, many of which include The Age, The Guardian news.com.au and the Herald Sun which make up 9 of those citations. Clearly that article would survive a new AfD and the statement "problems not corrected" in reference to the article being deleted multiple times is incorrect. Additionally in their edit summary Caseeart wrote "WP:ATTACK not suitable for BLP". Per WP:ATTACK "An attack page is a page, in any namespace, that exists primarily to disparage or threaten its subject; or biographical material that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced or poorly sourced" (my emphasise). Clearly the article is not poorly sourced as demonstrated by its current state. If Caseeart did believe it to be an WP:ATTACK they ought to have followed that policy and tagged it with the {{db-attack}} template. Clearly they didn't

• I restored the article to mainspace and left a message on Caseeart's talk requesting they not move the article to draft again. I advised that clearly the subject is notable given the number of citations given to WP:RS and that if they disagree they should take it to AfD.

• Caseeart has now moved to draft again without discussion with misleading edit summary "WP:BLP WP:ATTACK. Deleted multiple times. No explanation why restored." Given the message I left for Caseeart and their removal of it it is clearly incorrect that there has been "No explanation why restored". Per above as the article has adequate referencing to WP:RS it is not an WP:ATTACK page and if it was then Caseeart should be using the {{db-attack}} template per policy.

Avi Yemini is now protected until 21 January 2024 and a article which clearly passes WP:GNG is stuck in draft as a result of Caseeart disruptive move warring and not engaging in discussion. Can I get admin intervention and santions on Caseeart for their disruptive behaviour please. TarnishedPath 11:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Justlettersandnumbers as an involved admin. TarnishedPath 11:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• OK, I'll bite - for which of these things is he notable?

Works for Rebel News

Opened a couple of gyms and then sold them

Got sued for defamation by his brother

Ran in a state election and got < 0.5% of the vote

Assaulted his wife

Took legal action against state officials. Lost.

Tried to sue Facebook fact-checkers. Lost.

• That's a lot of trivial things that have been mentioned in reliable sources, but it does sort of read like a laundry list of negative issues (and it doesn't even mention the anti-Muslim or anti-Semitic claims). Black Kite (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Black Kite, provocateur/activist would be my description. He's a serial pest and after years of keeping at it a lot of mainstream media took notice during the pandmemic. No one has to like that he's notable but there's heaps of WP:RS that cover him in depth, not just the ones in the article. As I wrote in my message to Caseeart, if they thought the article still had notability problems then an AfD was the appropriate course of action. TarnishedPath 12:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  The anti-Muslim stuff I believe was a lot of his activism pre-pandemic and there is a argument for developing the article to make it more rounded per WP:RS which aren't currently represented. As it stands though the article passes WP:GNG and it doesn't meet WP:ATTACK as described above. TarnishedPath 12:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  Replying to your specific question though he is notable for engaging in vexatious civil action. That would be an area of improvement for the article. Listing/Detailing his civil actions that he has launched against others in a section. Though as above I’d say his primary notability is as an activist/procoteur. TarnishedPath 13:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Note: I today move-protected the mainspace title for a month to limit scope for any more move ping-pong, preserve the status quo for a while and leave room for some discussion. I made no attempt to establish which was the 'right' title for the page. My initial suggestion would be to submit the draft for review and abide by the result, but if consensus develops here that it should be in mainspace then do please go ahead and make that happen without further reference to me (I'm busy with family and feasting for the next few days at least). Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers, thanks for your assistance. TarnishedPath 21:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I have submitted the article to AfC per your suggestion. @Caseeart, if this passes AfC, if you still disagree, I suggest your only recourse is AfD. Which is what you should have done previously after I left a message on your talk page. TarnishedPath 02:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Caseeart, this article has now passed AfC. Do you agree to either improve any faults with the article in mainspace or take it to AfD? TarnishedPath 11:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

This absolutely cannot be moved back to draft at this point, if anyone wishes for it to be deleted they must go to AfD. Another unilateral draft-ification would be disruptive end-roading around our deletion processes given the history here. Daniel (talk) 18:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Excuse delay, I’m not every day on Misplaced Pages.

Just as @Black Kite mentioned -as of now The article is still a laundry list against the subject.

@TarnishedPath does not hide their Negative views and openly Attacks the subject calling them “a serial pest” ’@Justlettersandnumbers Is this allowed on Misplaced Pages about BLP?

And my WP:BLP concerns definitely allows/allowed me to move it back to draft, especially after it was restored without proper explanation.(Aside from a demand message on my talk page that did not addresses the WP:ATTACK concerns).

@Justlettersandnumbers Could someone send me a link to the AfC discussion?

Would like to understand why it was restored and what to do now (I really don’t have time now to spend on the article)?

Thanks! CaseeArt 06:56, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Caseeart, the exact message I left you was:

”Please do not move Avi Yemini to draft again. The subject is clearly notable given the number of citations to WP:RS given in the article. The same concerns don't hold since the last AfD. If you think they do hold then take it to a new AfD. Kind Regards,”

If you think that classifies as a demand or fails to address what you wrote in your edit summary when moved the article the first time, the I have concerns about you. You should have at the very least engaged with me before unilaterally deciding to move it to draft a second time.

As per what to do now? Did you not read what @Daniel wrote? TarnishedPath 10:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Caseeart: regarding "what to do now (I really don’t have time now to spend on the article)" - if you don't think this article should exist in mainspace, your only recourse is WP:AFD. Unilaterally and repeatedly moving something to draft against the wishes of other good-faith editors is attempting to end-run around consensus decision-making processes such as AfD. The only venue now to consider this article's future is AfD if you think the article shouldn't exist, or alternatively the talk page if you have issue with specific sentences and/or references. Daniel (talk) 10:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath It is very difficult to engage with you when you openly call the subject a “serial pest” (without a source), and don’t respond to my edit summary about BLP concerns and about prior deletion concerned. A Quick Look at the article summary apears that you keep on removing sourced anlanced information (added by other editors), thus creating a laundry list with much of the negative information some of which are not sourced enough. I see also that you deleted other users speedy deletion request.

@Daniel Ok. And how do I access the afc discussion?CaseeArt 10:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Caseeart very hard to engage with me when I call the subject a “serial pest”? Are you proposing that I wrote that at the same time as I left the message on your talk just after your first move to draft? As per you WP:ASPERSION casting that I removed sourced balanced information I suggest you retract that. TarnishedPath 11:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath

Bringing up WP:ASPERSION??

You just opened a dubious ANI against me.

for what? Because *twice* I placed an article that was already deleted multiple times into draft with specific very valid WP:BLP claims in the summary which you did not property address.

You did this Instead of simply following the requirement by @Justlettersandnumbers to got through AfC

Fir the past few months you have been kind of edit warring on this article and removed very well sourced balanced information from skynews.com and from the Australian.com with a false claim “Remove unreliable sources and opinion peices. What is left is not backed up by the citaitons used and is pure original research.”.

Then in the lead of the article you support an edit made by an IP that name the subject is a “far right” activist. Even though majority of sources including skynews.com call him

• YouTuber
• Activist
• Avi Yemeni
• Right wing
• Right wing activist
• Jewish activist.
• media presonel

Now you openly call the subject a Serial Pest without any source.

This all looks like is a BLP concern.

As well as the rest of the article.

@Daniel

why shouldn’t this be moved to draft and have independent editors fix it up? And remove the BLP concerns? CaseeArt 01:44, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Because another editor objects. Please see Misplaced Pages:Drafts#Objections - "If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and, if necessary, list it at AfD. A page may only be moved unilaterally to the draftspace a single time. If anyone objects, it is no longer an uncontroversial move, and the page needs to be handled through other processes, such as deletion, stubbing, tagging, etc." (emphasis mine) Now speaking as an administrator, you have three options:

1. nominate it at AfD;
2. open a discussion on the talk page (and if necessary, WP:BLPN) to address any BLP concerns; or
3. move on from the issue.

You cannot draftify it again, as per the previous link I shared. I don't think I can be any more direct about this. Pick one of the previous three options and do it, but stop continuining this fruitless discussion about trying to draftify the article here. Daniel (talk) 03:34, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying the draft policy. I’ll guess that even applies to BLP concerns.

It looks like it will be an uphill battle to actually fix the BLP problems, due to the issues I already mentioned, like editors removing sourced neutral information, and calling the subject a “serial pest”. (Is that even allowed?) CaseeArt 05:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

You keep making these false and misleading claims without evidence. Provide evidence or stop making your false and misleading claims. TarnishedPath 05:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Caseeart explain how my edit summaries falsely conveyed that my edits were backed by Wiki policy and that I was edit warring in dot point form for each edit. Can you read? Have you read WP:RS? Have you read WP:RSP? Do you understand WP:BLPUNDEL? Have you read it? I have serious concerns regarding your interpretation of facts and policy. That you think @Justlettersandnumbers recommended submitting the article to AfC prior to me opening this thread defies any notion of reality. TarnishedPath 05:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Links were already given to every claim. And the “serial pest” claim was right here. No point of repeating.

And you came here to ANI after you already voiced concern to @Justlettersandnumbers on their talk page. CaseeArt 07:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Caseeart can you please for the sake of sanity advise exactly where @Justlettersandnumbers recommended going to AfC? His user talk or here?

Would you care to explain how the particular sources which were removed were not unreliable given WP:RSP and WP:RS? Do you have any understanding or reliable sourcing? TarnishedPath 07:56, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

You voiced your concern on the admins talk page about deletion/protection of the article. Without even waiting for their response (= afc), you came running here opened this dubious ANI (and began disparaging the subject and calling them “serial pest”).

Already answered everything else.

This is becoming a pointless back & forth. CaseeArt 08:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Errico Boukoura

• Errico Boukoura (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Janhrach (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Kerameikou 28 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• WP:Articles for deletion/Kerameikou 28

The user made a serious allegation against me here. This comes in the context of an AfD, which I recommend you to read. The editor has previously made an another questionable remark ('The "concerns" raised about Keramikou 28 appear to be more personally motivated than reflective of adherence to Misplaced Pages rules.') and ad hominem arguments (claiming I am incompetent to judge tone of text, because I have an "intermediate" level of English, as is written on my user page). I can not disprove that the editor may have communicated with a victim of a AfD-exploiting fraud. But even in that hypothetical situation, the editor is too quick to make claims unsupported by anything other. I can, however, explain what led me to nominate the article for deletion:

I have made a question at WP:VPT. I found the talk page of the TFA of the day as an example of the third issue. Later the day, an image was removed from the TFA (for reasons on the talk page) and I decided to nominate it for deletion on Commons. I was told there is a problem with the problem with the image being in use on TFA archives, so I asked about it on WP:HD and I was led to WT:TFA, where I started a discussion. Later, searching for policies related to the discussion, I found CAT:MISSFILE. I emptied it (the date was December 10 – see my contributions), and one of the articles I edited in the process was Kerameikou 28. The article got into the category because an editor changed all instances of "Keramikou" to "Kerameikou" without renaming a file whose name contained "Keramikou". After several edits to the article on the following days, I finally nominated the article for deletion for the reasons in the top of the AfD entry.

I think my argument is sufficient to disprove that my nomination was made in a COI. I would like you to judge Errico Boukoura's conduct. Janhrach (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I haven't yet looked into this enough to comment on the content issue, but I can see that Errico Boukoura made a very tenuous claim of Janhrach having a conflict of interest while admitting that he had a clear conflict of interest himself (Errico seems to be a male name). Phil Bridger (talk) 21:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I have been attempting to make changes to Kerameikou 28 since the AfD was opened. Unfortunately, Janhrach is not clear on what the problems are, as he keeps changing the issues with the page.

Personally, I do not find it offensive to state that an individual who is not a native speaker of English (and claims to be intermediate on his personal page) as they actually cannot provide proficient corrections in English in any way.

Furthermore, my statement about Janhrach 's potential conflict of interest is purely hypothetical. I only mentioned it as there isn't a clear reason yet as to why Kerameikou 28 was marked for deletion.

I would also like to express my personal opinion regarding the transition from the AfD to here. It seems a bit excessive, as Janhrachand I are currently focused on discussing the developments related to Kerameikou 28, and not engaged in any conflict. Errico Boukoura (talk) 23:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

NOTE: I don't fall under the term 'conflict of interest' as I am a professor conducting research outside of any institution, organization, financial or otherwise. I don't know or have met anyone from Kerameikou and I only recently obtained the phone number of the previous owner.

This was an encyclopedia-focused intention, not insitutional or otherwise. Errico Boukoura (talk) 23:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Errico Boukoura, I do not understand your problem with Janhrach's English language proficiency. English is my mother tongue and I have no difficulty whatsoever understanding Janhrach, and the editor is certainly capable enough in English to nominate an article for AfD. Your repeated criticism of the editor's language skills at the AfD, complete with boldface and underscores and bold all caps, is way out of line. As is your strange, evidence free attempt to tie the editor to some phone conversation with the previous owner and some vague, unsubstantiated threat. So, I highly encourage you to avoid that type of unjustified criticism of a colleague. Focus, instead, on demonstrating the notability of the topic and specific ways that the article can be improved. Cullen328 (talk) 06:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I have made all of the changes Janhrach asked for. If there’s anything else I can improve, please let me know. 2A0E:41C:4543:0:B0B6:1007:D6E3:5793 (talk) 09:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

(assuming I am writing to Errico Boukoura) There is still a lot of things to improve. There are typos, unreferenced claims (e.g. how is this URL related to the Role in Athens Arts Scene section otherwise having no other references, what claims are sourced by which references in Community, etc.) and tone issues (e.g. The End of Kerameikou 28 is toned promotionally, actual information there is worth two sentences at most, et cetera. The list I provided before was a counterargument that I can discern tone and was not meant to be exhaustive). We are going off topic. ANI is meant to discuss conduct. By the way, AfD also isn't fit for this, these are matters that were to be handled back at AfC, but you fraudulently bypassed it. Has that not happened, the article wouldn't be facing AfD now. Janhrach (talk) 13:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Please consolidate all your concerns into a single message so that I can address them collectively. The mention of Role in Athens Arts Scene section is the first time it has been raised as an issue.

Once you have outlined all the issues in one comprehensive message, I will ensure everything is prepared within 2-3 weeks. Errico Boukoura (talk) 13:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

What you want to do is not a matter for AfD. It is not meant to be opened indefinitely until the article is ready. Draftification and a subsequent AfC submission are for that. And at AfC, there will be more competent people than me to suggest changes. Janhrach (talk) 13:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Since the pages was published, the article has already been approved as ready. Once you or anyone else addresses any further problems, I will look into it and changed (or added) the issue within 2-3 weeks. My fast-response to your concerns proves that I am more than willing to make any changes if needed.

I would like to excuse myself, while I am currently engaged in another project as well. I will exclusively participate and respond to matters only related to Kreameikou 28 changes.

Any inquiries beyond that scope will be addressed at a later time.

Note: Please address all of your concerns at AfD so I don't miss anything. Errico Boukoura (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

One last thing: the article was not accepted. This cut-down version was. What is there now was expressly declined in previous AfC submissions, yet you re-added most of what was previously declined. Janhrach (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

As mention above, any inquiries beyond that scope of Kerameikou 28 will be addressed at a later time.

Please address all of your concerns at AfD. Errico Boukoura (talk) 14:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

There is a new comment at the AfD, I strongly recommend you to read it, the argument is well-reasoned. @Errico Boukoura: The reasons for AfD are same from the beginning: bypassing AfC, tone issues and references. I brought this to ANI because you accused me of being connected to someone who "threatened" (extorted?) somebody over an article, without absolutely any independently verifiable evidence. Janhrach (talk) 07:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thinking the allegation over, I can't find any reason why would the new owner of the building complain to the past one (as opposed to the group that resided in the building) about the Misplaced Pages article. My AfD-exloiting scam hypothesis is almost definitely false – why would a scammer try to contact somebody who is no longer connected to the article subject and whose contact information is hard-to-find? I can't help myself, but I see the phone call as a fabrication.

This is an instance of the 4th bullet point of WP:NPA#WHATIS. Janhrach (talk) 08:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

As mentioned earlier, any inquiries beyond the scope of Kerameikou 28 will be addressed at a later time. Please focus on the issues related to the Kerameikou 28 Misplaced Pages page for now. I will not respond to any further questions until the deletion of Kerameikou 28 has been settled. 91.80.89.32 (talk) 09:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I am aware that you don't want to respond to queries unrelated to Kerameikou 28, but you don't have a right to suspend this ANI thread for that reason. The above message was not addressed mainly or exclusively to you. Janhrach (talk) 12:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

This is a collaborative environment. If you flatly refuse to engage in discussing potential changes to the article, other editors are free to make their own changes without your input. Stonewalling is a bad tactic. Also, please remember to sign in before making edits or comments. — The Hand That Feeds You: 18:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@HandThatFeeds: Excuse me, did you address me or Errico Boukoura? I think my refusal to discuss the article here, at ANI, was legitimate, and Errico Boukoura refused to discuss matters other than the article, not the article. Janhrach (talk) 10:11, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

The IP/Errico, who is constantly deflecting. You can tell who is being replied to by the indentation of the post, mine is equal to yours because we were both replying to him. — The Hand That Feeds You: 13:40, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I was confused because you referred specifically to changes to the article. Janhrach (talk) 13:44, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I meant that to apply to any article, but worded it poorly. Apologies. — The Hand That Feeds You: 17:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

To the admins: WP:PBAN has been independently mentioned two times in the AfD discussion. Janhrach (talk) 10:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I was one of them, I think? Hopefully the AfD closing soon will cut this issue off at the pass, but if it doesn't a p-block/p-ban has to be on the cards here. Daniel (talk) 20:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

New user continued disruption

Baraniscool (talk · contribs · count)

Despite multiple warnings and an expired block, user continues to disrupt Pink Floyd articles. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:11, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

{{resolved}} No, not resolved. El_C 03:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

User blocked by Ponyo - FlightTime (open channel) 21:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I'be blocked for two weeks. Perhaps in that time Baraniscool will come to realize that they need to communicate with editors raising valid concerns regarding their edits.-- Ponyo 21:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

FlightTime You've also disrupted these related articles. I see you were also edit warring without communication on Fat Old Sun (an article I have been fixing up at the moment and improving sourcing), so you deserve at least an admonishment if not some other WP:BOOMERANG-based sanction. As I write, Machine Head (album) says it was released on 31 March 1972, but the infobox says it was released on 25 March 1972. Which is it? And this is supposed to be a good article. Can you please fix your errors? Ritchie333 12:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Note: @FlightTime has also been warned very recently about edit warring and being disruptive on other articles as discussed at El C's talk page. This appears to be, at the very least, a recent pattern. --ARoseWolf 13:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  I think FlightTime has been almost but not been quite disruptive for some time, but I can't remember a (recent) time they had sanction-worthy behaviour, always stopping short of it. I do recall blocking them once years ago, but it was reversed as being draconian. Ritchie333 18:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• @Ponyo and Ritchie333: as linked by ARoseWolf above (live, permalink), the brazen expectation on FlightTime's part that they are owed special treatment in an edit war, and their immediate attack against myself when I obviously declined this — that's concerning to me. Concern which I believe FlightTime needs to address. Since, if this is their modus operandi, it's a serious issue. El_C 16:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@El C: if you review the history and think additional action needs to be taken, the by all means, do as you see fit.-- Ponyo 17:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Reviewing recent activity, I note FlightTime edit warring with an IP on Rhandy Rhoads, who they then dragged to AN3. The IP's complaint was reverted for no obvious reason (I could accept a blind revert if it was a screed of personal attacks, but not that - it should have been reformatted), and the thread was closed as "no violation". Is it worth putting FlightTime under a 1RR restriction? Ritchie333 11:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

User:KANLen09

I had issues with the edits of this user before, mainly due to their insistence on adding unsourced trivia content in various anime articles (more specifically in episode sections), content that is of no one's interest but their own. I have suggested them before to discuss the matter on talk pages, to which they have refused and continued to make the same kind of edits, ignoring any kind of objection. Now, there is this particular MOS, MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, which clearly indicates to avoid adding links to sections within the article, given that the table of contents provides that function. To be honest, it has only been a few months since I and other editors began to adhere to this MOS, and sincerely, despite the time I have been here, I didn't know about it until recently, so I try to be empathetic with other editors who are not familiar with the MOS and continue to edit contrary to what it indicates, in other words, assume good faith. The problem is that I have warned KANLen09 on several occasions through edit summaries to stop re-adding these links once they were removed, pointing out the specific MOS, and if that hadn't been enough (thinking that, maybe, they just didn't see those edit summay warnings), I wrote them directly on their talk page about the issue. The result? The user continues to this date adding those links, without, at the very least, explaining why they continue to do so. I have little reason to believe that they're not deliberately ignoring the warnings. Their edits are almost disruptive at this point, and if they're not doing them on purpose (which is highly unlikely), makes me wonder if this could be considered a WP:CIR case. I didn't want to get to this point, but the user has been trying my patience for a while now. Xexerss (talk) 07:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I also agree with @Xexerss on this, I had to edit a lot of articles because this user keeps Ignoring MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and keeps adding links to sections within the articles which is against what that MOS says and no matter how many times I tell them, it's like they don't care. It's honestly becoming really frustrating. I single handedly have edited near 100 articles and more to implement MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and now this person is undoing them one by one and as @Xexerss said this user is trying my patience now. Parham.es (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I looked at the talk page of KANLen09 (talk · contribs)—there is almost no explanation there. Also, I just looked at MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and could not follow the point because on my browser MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE did not display the Purpose section. Per WP:AGF and the principle that Misplaced Pages is too big to rely on admins educating people, next time please use a few more words on user talk (and a couple of diff links) to spell out the problem. Finally, I looked at a couple of recent edits and did not notice a INFOBOXPURPOSE issue. Please use a couple of diffs here. Johnuniq (talk) 04:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE says: "When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored, with exceptions noted below). The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Of necessity, some infoboxes contain more than just a few fields; however, wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content. Avoid links to sections within the article; the table of contents provides that function."

which means to avoid things like #Episodes or #Volumes and other #X which are sections within the article itself as a hyperlink in the Infobox. The reason you didn't see a INFOBOXPURPOSE issue is because me, @Xexerss and other editors are keep fixing them. As for diffs, here you go:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=I_Shall_Survive_Using_Potions!&diff=prev&oldid=1191474807
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=A_Returner%27s_Magic_Should_Be_Special&diff=prev&oldid=1191471214
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=My_New_Boss_Is_Goofy&diff=prev&oldid=1191464251
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=The_Kingdoms_of_Ruin&diff=prev&oldid=1191315864
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=A_Girl_%26_Her_Guard_Dog&diff=prev&oldid=1191201848
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Protocol:_Rain&diff=prev&oldid=1191479748

As I said, based on MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE you should not add #Episodes as a hyperlink in infobox which means (| episode_list =) should be empty unless episodes are in another article such as "List of X episodes" (it's just an example). Parham.es (talk) 13:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Overtake!&diff=prev&oldid=1190704137
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ragna_Crimson&diff=prev&oldid=1190347351
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Under_Ninja&diff=prev&oldid=1187809725
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Under_Ninja&diff=prev&oldid=1189987759
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=KamiErabi_God.app&diff=prev&oldid=1190953306
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=16bit_Sensation&diff=prev&oldid=1187660825
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dead_Mount_Death_Play&diff=prev&oldid=1188333445
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dark_Gathering&diff=prev&oldid=1191625226

Here are a few of the several instances when I showed them the MOS and requested to stop adding links to sections within the article. I didn't elaborate too much in my warning on their talk page because I assumed that the user was aware of the ones already made through edit summaries, given that those are articles frequently edited by the user. Note that the diffs posted above by Parham.es are after my warning of their talk page, and also after this own ANI report, so indeed there are still INFOBOXPURPOSE issues. I really have no reason to believe that the user is unaware of the matter and is not doing it on purpose. Xexerss (talk) 14:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

The point is that we cannot rely on someone reading edit summaries. You need to explain this on their Talk page first. — The Hand That Feeds You: 18:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

As I said before, I already explained the issue on their talk page with a link to the MOS in question, and the user keeps acting contrary to what it says. There is also this ANI report notification on their talk page, but the user refuses to rectify their edits. Edit summary warnings aside, given the fact that I have directly warned the user on their talk page and also notified them of this report, do I have to believe that the user is not aware of the matter yet? Xexerss (talk) 19:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

The user keeps making the same edits in the same articles, even when they have been warned twice in one. The user have been directly warned on their talk page, notified about this ANI report, and has not give any explanation of the motive behind their edits yet. Seriously, what more evidence is needed to prove that the user is being purposefully disruptive? Xexerss (talk) 20:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

KANLen09 posted on my talk page their reasons behind their edits and intentions to improve them. I have decided to trust their words, so from my part, I think that this discussion can be closed. Xexerss (talk) 04:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Continued articletalk disruption despite repeated warnings

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Inspector Colombo (talk · contribs)

Inspector Colombo's edit count is 152 edits. Aside from a reverted article edit and 9 usertalk edits, all but two of those edits have been to Talk:Lillie Langtry.

His posts are massive rambling diatribes full of personal attacks and aspersions and accusations, and numerous random irrelevant asides. Not only that – after posting these massive diatribes he then endlessly rewrites them, often dozens of times each, long after editors have read or responded to them, so that they do not state what they originally did.

Here are some sample posts and their sizes in bytes: June 2021 through July 2022: 3,398, 2,457. March 2023 through August 2023 7,799, 12,275, 5,054, 3,518, 3,749, 2,058, 2,725, 3,045, 10,959, 7,404. November 2023: 6,289. December 2023: 9,434, 4,013.

He has edited the talkpage on a virtually daily basis since 29 November, with up to a dozen edits per day:

For comparison to his 139 edits to Talk:Lillie Langtry, the next most frequent poster to Talk:Lillie Langtry is me, with 13 edits since 2015.

Inspector Colombo has long since exhausted the patience of the two editors who attempted to respond to him. AnthonyCamp stopped responding to him on 11 May. DuncanHill stopped responding on 11 November.

In August I archived the articletalk ramblings and warned the user about WP:NOTAFORUM, WP:WALLSOFTEXT, WP:PA, WP:OR, WP:BLUDGEON, and WP:NOTESSAY on his usertalk . However, he started up again in November with the same issues, and was warned again on his usertalk on 22 December and explicitly instructed precisely how to use articletalk . He has however started up again with the same behavior, reviving his disruptive articletalk ramblings.

At this point I believe the user probably needs to be blocked from that articletalk and article, or to be given a topic ban on Lillie Langtry, or to receive a flat-out block, possibly indefinite. He is a disruptive WP:SPA and not here to build an encyclopedia. -- Softlavender (talk) 04:45, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I issued an indefinite block with a message to the effect that an appeal may be successful if there is a plausible explanation of how future problems would be avoided. Johnuniq (talk) 05:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I am leaving this thread up for a while because the user is now using his usertalk as a WP:SOAPBOX to continue his long-winded single-minded agenda. Softlavender (talk) 13:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd think a TPA is in order to cut the editorializing short. Ravenswing 12:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:SELFPROMOTE violation

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User Brion Carroll is in violation of WP:SELFPROMOTE. This user is adding unsourced content to James Naismith that is directly contradictory to a well established documented fact (Naismith inventing basketball) and is using the book "Nais-MYTH: Basketball's Stolen Legacy" as their source in their edit summaries and on their talk page. Amazon lists an author named "Brion Carroll". Recommend either an outright ban or a topic ban for James Naismith and Basketball.--Rockchalk717 16:16, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Actually I think WP:SELFCITE is the appropriate policy and I know there's other policies for using sources you have a personal connection to, I just don't know them off the top of my head.--Rockchalk717 16:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, it's a self-published book, not a reliable source. Schazjmd (talk) 16:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I have pageblocked Brion Carroll from James Naismith and left detailed guidance on their talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 20:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure who you "Rockchalk717" are - but you should know that any modifications to James Naismith's profile is done based on researched, emperical evidence that contradicts those altered areas of Naismith's role in the invention of Basketball.

I am more than willing to have a discussion on this topic and (yes) the book Nais-MYTH: Basketball's Stolen Legacy has much of the basis of these suggested modifications.

The world is not flat as some thoroughly believed before being proven wrong (with evidence).

There is virtually no historic evidence that James Naismith invented Basketball. However, there is a plethora of printed evidence that the game of Basketball was invented by Lambert Will; that the game was being played in Central New York 10 months (Feb/1891) before Naismith even knew how to combine a ball and basket; and therefore the adjustments made were factually proven (even as agreed to by a heavily validated Washington Post analysis/article). Brion Carroll (talk) 16:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Self-published books are generally not considered reliable sources on Misplaced Pages. If you have a plethora of printed evidence, then provide citations to those sources on the article's Talk page for discussion. — The Hand That Feeds You: 18:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, as to that, we're not sure who YOU are ... to the degree that's at all pertinent. You will understand if the rest of the world strongly disagrees with your assertion, believes that there is in fact overwhelming evidence that basketball was invented by Naismith, and would require very strong documentary evidence to the contrary above and beyond your personal say-so. As THTFY said, set forth that evidence on the Talk page. Ravenswing 12:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe the final note - There is NO evidence (beyond the self-proclaimed statements by James Naismith) that he invented Basketball. No documents (except the "I wrote it down" 13 rules that were supposed dated Feb 1892 before they were later altered to be Dec 1891 (see https://statelinesportsnetwork.net/2016/12/21/happy-125th-birthday-basketball/) ). However there is ample evidence such as the March 1892 Albany Evening Journal article (see https://www.originofbasketball.com/thealbanyeveningjournal4march1892.html) that tells of the match game (NY State Championship) that couldn't have followed the Feb/1892 rules (typed) that followed the Jan/1892 publishing of The Triangle that contained the rules (https://springfieldcollege.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15370coll3/id/485/ page 4).

Another historic record is in the 1898 Utica Daily Press article (see https://www.originofbasketball.com/historic-evidence.html) that details the initial game play of Basketball started with Lambert Will as its captain in 1891, replaced by Frank Peterson from 1892-1897.

Note that the humans referenced in the article were STILL ALIVE and would have challenged the article if (indeed) it had been falsely reported. Local news for local people.

That IS EVIDENCE. However, there is historic evidence that James Naismith invented it except for dozens of books restating what he said versus was unbiased evidence (such as the articles noted) prove. Brion Carroll (talk) 15:13, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Death Editor 2

Death Editor 2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

While only 8 months old, with 1,383 edits, this editor has a very problematic editing history (User talk:Death Editor 2).

They are currently engaged in a slow moving edit war to change the infobox results in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict (an area covered by three CTopics infobox, a-a, and e-e)

• First , rv by Super Dromaeosaurus
• Second , rv by TimothyBlue , referred to talk page discussion Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh conflict#Is the conflict over?.
• Third change after failing to get consensus on talk page discussion

Previously they were blocked for edit warring in infoboxes: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1140#Death editor2 and edit warring under WP:ARBPIA.

Community should evaluate this and the editors overall history User talk:Death Editor 2 of disruptive editing for sanctions. I do not believe this users history show willingness to work within consensus and think it shows an inability to work with others.

I believe this (see history) goes beyond edit warring to overall problems editing in CTopics areas, which is why I think the discussion belongs here and not in the edit warring boards.  // Timothy :: talk  21:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Again, how the isn't the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict over? The Republic of Artsakh no longer exists in any meaningful way, and nearly all of the Armenians fled! Death Editor 2 (talk) 21:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

That determination needs to be made by WP:RS. If you cited a reliable source, your edits might not have been reverted. (t · c) buidhe 01:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Problematic edits on Shia-Sunni topics

• Shadowwarrior8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This editor mostly edits Shia-Sunni related topics but they have a problematic history in this topic area. They apply a clear double standard on how they present Sunni groups in comparison to Shia groups. They minimise the actions of Sunni groups against Shia while making articles about Shia groups very negative. They often make large single edits with multiple changes throughout the article using vague, generic and unspecific edit summaries which are misleading or even untrue. This masks many problematic changes like removing sourced content. Most editors are not going to check every change in these large edits. They often misrepresent sources and their edits are fulll of non neutral language. I have highlighted numerous examples that illustrate this problematic pattern of editing:

• On Shia-Sunni divide they removed mention of genocide against Shia using the edit summary of "Grammar" which is clearly deceptive insincere.
• On Sectarianism and minorities in the Syrian civil war, they inexplicably deleted mention of the Hatla massacre of Shia villagers hidden among a typical large single edit.
• On Yemeni Civil War, in another very large edit, they stealthy changed the first line of a paragraph which stated that "The international community has condemned the Saudi Arabian-led bombing campaign" to "The international community has strongly condemned Houthi drone attacks,". This related edit on Yemen removed a sentence from the lead and inserted a ridiculous amount of weasel words and also scare quotes to further minimise accusations against the Saudi government.
• I've linked some typical edits on Syria related articles they're very active on and which they have made very negative towards Shia groups: Human rights in Syria, Bashar al-Assad, Syrian civil war, Syrian revolution and Anti-Sunnism.
• On Persecution of Christians, they removed the only mention of genocide by ISIS using a dubious edit summary.
• On Al-Qaeda in Iraq, they added (alleged) next to Anti-Shi'ism with no explanation. They have also systematically removed Al-Qaeda's responsibility for bombings against Shia. For example on List of bombings during the Iraq War.
• On September 11 attacks, they have made multiple problematic edits. In one particularly egregious edit, they absurdly called the attacks a military attack instead of a terrorist attack using another insincere edit summary of "Grammar". Similarly on Letter to America, they removed the only mention of 9/11 and its description as a terrorist attack with an ironic edit summary of "Removed Repetition". Another edit with a misleading edit summary of "Quote box alignment" misrepresents the cited source to change the language to describe Bin Laden's views of non-Muslims in Arabia as being correct according to Islam.
• On Al-Qaeda, they made multiple changes throughout the article in one edit using a typical unspecific edit summary. They removed Islamic extremism and Takfirism from ideology, both well sourced, while adding Sunni–Shia alliance and Muslim unity. This edit also removed the sourced statement that "As Salafist jihadists, members of Al-Qaeda believe that killing non-combatants is religiously sanctioned." A subsequent edit removed all remaining mentions of Al-Qaeda's Takfir. This is in striking contrast to their editing on Hezbollah and Takfir. 217.40.96.193 (talk) 01:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

  While the editor might be biased and their use of edit summaries should be improved, in some of these diffs what is being removed is poorly sourced or unsourced content. In the Human rights in Syria diff, the countent added to the article looks mostly well sourced to a Routledge book. (t · c) buidhe 01:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

  I linked the Human rights in Syria diff more so to iillustrate the contrast in their edits towards Shia groups compared to Sunni groups like Al-Qaeda. In the linked edit on Al-Qaeda they removed multiple pieces of well sourced content that was negative to the group. 217.40.96.193 (talk) 01:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

  I edit on a wide range of topics. LoL

  You've simply compiled a personal collection of a lot of my edits on a particular topic you care about, personally analysed my edit history, (without checking the references and my edit summaries) and have made a lot of allegations which are not backed up by reliable sources.

  It looks more like you are the one behaving like a single-purpose IP obsessed with somebody?

  All of my edits are well-sourced. Contents which I have removed are all unsourced or original research. Maybe you should try to assume good faith.

  You have done absolutely nothing other than linking some of my edits (which are all publicly accessible in my editing history) which you personally find to be problematic.

  Since I dont have the time to expose the obvious shallowness of each and every claim compiled in your list, I am simply going to dismantle your first allegation alone.

  • Regarding this edit, I improved the grammar of the contents and clearly wrote in edit summary "Grammar". Also, there are no references claiming that the Islamic State perpetrated a "genocide against Shias". Infact the page itself is titled "Persecution of Shias by the Islamic State". I simply made that correction. "Value-laden labels... may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution." MOS:LABEL

  Onus is on the editor who wants to insert content. Maybe you have your own POV, but you havent backed up any of your claims and complaints with reliable, academic sources. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 05:28, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

  I have checked the references and your edit summaries and that's exactly why I reported you. What reliable academic sources am I supposed to provide when I am specifically reporting YOU for removing well sourced content and misrepresenting sources and have linked and explained numerous examples of you doing this. You have used dubious edit summaries like "Grammar" on other occasions to remove information critical of Sunni extremist groups. Can you also dismantle my other allegation where you used "Grammar" regarding this edit to September 11 attacks? Was your change backed up by reliable academic sources? Is calling 911 the deadliest terrorist attack bad grammar or is it original research? No reliable academic sources call it the "largest military strike by a non-state organization in contemporary history". Fortunately this blatantly egregious edit was quickly reverted.217.40.96.193 (talk) 11:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

  If you are claiming that I allegedly removed "well sourced content" or that I "misrepresented sources" (I didnt), it is you who have to provide the inline citations to insert the content. Onus is on the editors who want to back up their claims.

  "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." WP:ONUS

  You havent provided any inline citations to back-up your allegations. So far, you've only resorted to dontlikeit-style of argumentations throughout this entire conversation. The entire premise of your complaint is your accusation of bias against me. Also, your personal view of me as biased doesnt mean you can censor my edits. It doesnt mean anything, infact.

  "The NPOV policy does forbid the inclusion of editorial bias, but does not forbid properly sourced bias." WP:POVDELETION

  You accuse me of being biased, but your recent comments and edit summaries very explicitly demonstrate your biases and POV-pushing, if anything.

  As for this edit on the "September 11 attacks" page, I changed the wording from "deadliest terrorist act in human history" to "largest military strike by a non-state organization in contemporary history".

  I specified the reason for this minor edit in the edit summary. "Grammar". I think my wording is more grammatically precise and has an impartial tone in that particular sentence, which describes these attacks as the "deadliest" amongst a certain category of attacks. The attacks have been described as terrorist attacks throughout the page, so I think the new term "largest military strike by a non-state organization in contemporary history" is more appropriate in that context. MOS:TERROR

  Either way, another editor soon reverted that change after that user disagreed with my view. The content I inserted has been erased. Then why are you making a big fuss about that edit? Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 15:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

"I specified the reason for this minor edit in the edit summary. "Grammar". I think my wording is more grammatically precise and has an impartial tone in that particular sentence, which describes these attacks as the "deadliest" amongst a certain category of attacks. The attacks have been described as terrorist attacks throughout the page, so I think the new term "largest military strike by a non-state organization in contemporary history" is more appropriate in that context. MOS:TERROR.

Shadowwarrior, if that is in fact how you view that situation, I'm afraid that your explanation raises more substantail concerns than did the IP's reference to the edit itself, at least for me. The distinction between those two differing modes of description is clearly more factual than it is anything that can reasonably said to be "grammatical", and the description you inserted was clearly not appropriate without a proper citation. Nothing in MOS:TERROR contradicts WP:V or WP:NPOV#WEIGHT (and even should they conflict, the latter, being pillar policies, could not be overriden by the former, being a piece of a style guidance). Countless sources clearly support the "deadliest terror attack" language, whereas, unless I am missing something, you have presented no source for your "military strike" language. That is, to put it mildly, more a matter of semantics than syntax, and you would have done better here to own up to the inadequate edit summary. Because at present it is clear that this is at a minimum an issue of insufficient care and/or lack of accurate policy language, but it also would not be unreasonable to suspect an effort at outright obfuscation here. So it doesn't help us to assume the more innocent explanation when you deny that this was a misleading/inaccurate edit summary at the least: it clearly is.

I haven't looked at all of the other edits presented here so far, but the first one I chose to investigate also shows issues with proper framing: the matter of changing the meaning of what the international community supposedly supports in the Yemeni civil war article. Now, to your credit, you do have some sources on this one. But rather than use an additive approach and trying to demonstrate that different elements of the international community and international institutions had condemned different parties to the warfare at various times, you instead chose to change the entire meaning of an existing statement, presumptively representing previous editorial consensus, to virtually the diametric opposite of what it previously said (at least in terms of the "side" that the international community holds most responsible for the conflict), thus masking what amounts to a deletion of sourced content (complete with the source itself), simultaneous with your own addition. And this too was accompanied by an edit summary of dubious accuracy, as it refers only to supplying info, and not at all to any changes or removals of statments from the previous status quo. Now, as an uninvolved party who is a big advocate for a healthy application of AGF, I am trying to see these attempted changes in the best possible light, but I must tell you that it's hard not to feel the IP has identified some real issues here, because the choice to replace rather than compliment the existing coverage does suggest a bias (willful or implicit) in how you are approaching some edits, and the way you describe these edits suggests either an effort to obscure them or (hopefully) just a lack of an appropriate level of care for properly labeling them. Either way, things need to change in your approach. SnowRise 16:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Snow Rise "Countless sources clearly support the "deadliest terror attack" language"

I am not disputing that, Snow Rise. Numerous academic sources do support "deadliest terror attack" language. What I meant here was that, "deadliest terror attack" and "largest military strike by a non-state organization in contemporary history" are not mutually exclusive (as you well know). In that particular sentence in the lede, describing it as something "largest" within a category of attacks launched by a non-state organization may have been appropriate in the lede, considering the fact that it is already well-acknowledged as a terrorist attack throughout the article. So in that context I felt such a description may have been appropriate to improve the lede.

MOS:LEDE

That edit got quickly removed. And upon further investigating sources, I couldnt find my wording anywhere. So I left it. What I'm trying to say here is that, there is nothing unusual about my edit, when you look in that context. So, there is no point in making a big fuss about this edit.

• Regarding the issue you raised related to the "Yemeni civil war" page, this was my edit a few months ago.

Snow Rise: "Now, to your credit, you do have some sources on this one. But rather than use an additive approach and trying to demonstrate that different elements of the international community and international institutions had condemned different parties to the warfare at various times, you instead chose to change the entire meaning of an existing statement"

Yeah, there was a mistake in my editing, (not sourcing), which lead to a bias. It was a long edit, as can be seen from the contents that were inserted in that edit.

But I later noticed this bias and improved that wording in this edit, making it more impartial.

The IP was only referring to an older edit which I personally corrected later on. Meanwhile, the IP is explicitly asserting in his latest edit summaries that he edits because he personally advocates for something (here, here). I mean, this is the individual who is accusing me of bias. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 18:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Providing some variance in descriptions may be a reasonable principle of elegant writing for unrestrcited prose, but it is not a sufficient reason on this project to ignore WP:V; "deadliest terrorist attack" and "largest military strike by a non-state organization" are nowhere near the same description, and you simply should not have been trying to force the latter into the place of the former without a source supporting this novel description of your own creation (WP:OR), especially considering the WP:CTOP context. The fact that the two descriptions are not factually mutually exclusive is completely irrelevant to the very justifiable concern the IP is raising in respect to this edit: you still have to be able to source your novel wording. And quite the opposite of the WP:LEAD being the best place to experiment with the wording, it actually adds an extra layer of inappropriateness, because the lead is meant to accurately summarize and reflect the content in the rest of the article. All of which is to say that it is a good thing that you dropped the matter after being reverted and moved on. Honestly, I would just stick with that in terms of defending your approach on this issue, because your attempt to minimize/explain away the edit itself is not really supported by policy or good editorial practice.

"Yeah, there was a mistake in my editing, (not sourcing), which lead to a bias. It was a long edit, as can be seen from the contents that were inserted in that edit.

But I later noticed this bias and improved that wording in this edit, making it more impartial."

Ok, but unless I am missing something, the edit you are describing as ameliorative doesn't at all address the issue that you deleted a sourced statement (and the source itself) from the status quo version of a CTOP article, then added a statement supporting an entirely different view, and didn't reflect any of this in your edit summary. The fact that you later massaged other content in the article to be more neutral, to your eye, doesn't eliminate any of those concerns. Again, it would be more helpful to hear you acknowledge the issue with removing content that easily could have stayed when you added your own, rather than replacing a very specific cited fact in a fashion that looks calculated the completely flip the perspective presented and hide deletion of sourced material.

"The IP was only referring to an older edit which I personally corrected later on. Meanwhile, the IP is explicitly asserting in his latest edit summaries that he edits because he personally advocates for something (, )"

The only thing I see the IP advocating for in those two edit summaries is WP:WEIGHT:

• "Saudi bombing needs first mention. It has received way more coverage than Houthi drone strikes.";
• "The Saudi bombing has killed significantly more people and received far more public condemnation than Houthi drone attacks."

Now you may disagree with their assessment and are free to argue the relevant strength of condemnation by various elements of the international community for the actions of the various parties connected to the conflict, but I don't see where the IP has declared an an intention to contribute in a fashion contrary NPOV or any other policy. And even if they had, it wouldn't necessarily obviate you of the need to recognize and address any of your own biases or any lack of compliance with policy and transparency, at least some of which they have been justified in raising here. I've only checked into three of the articles mentioned above, but in each of those cases, I am finding their concerns at least somewhat justified, and I'm a little worried that you are being somewhat WP:IDHT about hearing what those issues are. I think this discussion could very easily result in nothing more than a recommendation to be more careful in your edits and forthright in your edit summaries, but that's less likely to be the outcome if you don't recognize the significance of some of the issues discussed above. SnowRise 01:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

SnowRise: "unless I am missing something,... the issue that you deleted a sourced statement"

I didnt delete any sourced content; I rephrased the sourced statement with better wording after editing the new contents above it. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 03:13, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm well are of that; the specifics of that edit have already been discussed in detail immediately above. But the very specific issue here is that you think that the approach you employed here should ameliorate concerns. On the contrary, it is especially problematic. It would be a dubious course of action to merely delete a longstanding, sourced statement in the status quo version of a CTOP article, along with the source itself, without giving a compelling policy reason as to the removal. But what you did instead was delete part of the statement in question (along with the source supporting the general thrust of the sentence as it existed), then replace it with content that changed the meaning of the altered sentence to something that is very close to the diametric opposite of what it said before--and then source that new statement. So, yes, in every functional sense, and every way that matters under policy, you did in fact delete a sourced statement without explanation. It's just that you simultaneously replaced it with a grammatically similar statement located in the exact same place in the article...that just happens to now say the exact opposite of the statement you effectively removed. And then you reflected none of this in the slightest in your edit summary that reads "Info, refs, Para, Spacing, Links" and says nothing about deleting or altering existing sourced content. And all of this despite the fact that nothing stopped you from simply adding the new perspectives/sources in addition to the existing ones. All of that would be a dubious course of action on any article, let alone a CTOP-designated article. And the fact that this feedback keeps leading to a circular discussion wherein you don't acknowledge why any of that is problematic is increasingly causing me to worry about whether this switch-a-roo approach was intentionally employed or if you just are not hearing why such an approach is an issue, and is drawing attention--either of which options is a concern. SnowRise 00:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

While I agree with SnowRise on the merits of their commentary, I just popped on to review this thread out of interest, and it seems like a content, not a behavioral dispute. It's also very hard to figure out what the behavioral allegations are here. It seems that Shadowwarrior is changing the wording in a way that the MOS recommends to do, to water stuff down, which is a valid editorial position on some of these things, and the IP doesn't agree. Is there anything red flaggy on the behavioral side from anyone, or should this conversation move to the article or maybe the NPOV noticeboard? It's not an adminnable issue, I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong anyone. Andre🚐 02:01, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

additionally, the IP never attempted to discuss concerns in my talk page and opted to directly insert some allegations here (with a misleading sub-heading), which is not the procedure.

"Before posting a grievance about a user please consider discussing the issue on the user's talk page." WP:DRR/ANI

Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 02:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I have provided multiple examples above and explained them above but I will explain a couple examples further. One example of you removing well sourced content is on Al-Qaeda. Among the very large edit numerous pieces of well sourced content were deleted. Every mention of Takfirism was deleted in this edit and a subsequent edit. This is well sourced so why remove it among the large edit with an unspecific edit summary? For this other edit to the September 11 attacks, the cited source on the third page says: "In his view, the Prophet Muhammad had banned the permanent presence of infidels in Arabia". The original text stated that "Bin Laden interpreted Muhammad as having banned the "permanent presence of infidels in Arabia"." which was changed with an edit summary of "Quote box alignment" to "As an adherent of Islam, bin Laden believed that non-Muslims are forbidden from having a permanent presence in the Arabian Peninsula." An obvious misrepresenting of the source. 217.40.96.193 (talk) 08:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Right, what is the rationale to remove this:

According to a number of sources, a "wave of revulsion" has been expressed against Al-Qaeda and its affiliates by "religious scholars, former fighters and militants" who are alarmed by Al-Qaeda's takfir and its killing of Muslims in Muslim countries, especially in Iraq.

That seems to be going beyond a simple MOS:TERRORIST. I'm sure there's a good faith editorial explanation, but I'd like to ask for what it is, @Shadowwarrior8:. Andre🚐 08:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Andrevan

As can be seen in that edit, I simply paraphrased the contents in the same sources with proper attribution and a bit more detail.

I elucidated that content into two sentences:

1st: "According to CNN journalists Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank, a number of "religious scholars, former fighters and militants" who previously supported Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) had turned against the Al-Qaeda-supported Iraqi insurgency in 2008; due to ISI's indiscriminate attacks against civilians while targeting US-led coalition forces."

2nd: "American military analyst Bruce Reidel wrote in 2008 that "a wave of revulsion" arose against ISI, which enabled US-allied Sons of Iraq faction to turn various tribal leaders in the Anbar region against the Iraqi insurgency. In response, Bin Laden and Zawahiri issued public statements urging Muslims to rally behind ISI leadership and support the armed struggle against American forces."

Again, I can also back these up with inline citations from these sources, but that would make this comment lengthier and would obscure from the crux of the issue here.

The IP has not initiated any normal proceedings of dispute resolution with me in my talk page or in the talk pages of the relevant pages. Instead, the IP opted to bludgeon in the ANI notice board without any due procedure. The IP accused me of various things, after bombarding a compilation of numerous edits the IP didnt like. IP made several POV commentaries of these edits, without even attempting to communicate to me beforehand or even initiating discussion in the talk pages of the relevant pages. Forget about assuming good faith, how is this behaviour even acceptable? And that too in the noticeboard?

Personally, I was beginning a full-break from editing, since I have a lot of important duties & deadlines coming up in real life. I am busy right now. Then on 24th December, I got suddenly notified of a bludgeon of smears in the noticeboard, out of literally nowhere, by some random newly-popped up IP account who never communicated with me before or ever commented in any talk page! And I have been here writing essays against a bombardment of accusations by some random single-purpose IP who doesnt like my edits.

Editors are human beings. If I had an issue with an edit, I'd attempt to resolve disputes by initiating discussions in the talk page. The question here is, can anon IPs collect their personal compilation of edits of other users, suddenly bombard various accusations into the admin noticeboard without any previous discussion, and then attempt to smear other editors in a negative way? Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 17:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I do understand your objection that the OP did not try to broach these concerns with you prior to the filing here. That's a reasonable source of frustration for you, imo. And I'm sure many of us here can relate to being dragged into an on-project dispute just when other, more pressing responsibilities are minimizing our ability to engage. You have my sympathies about that, let me tell you. That said, having only looked into a subset of the issues the OP opened this thread with (or that have been otherwise discussed above so far), there are, beyond doubt, some real issues in your approach to these topics, including some misapplications of pillar policies. What you regard as fairplay "paraphrasing" of a source (or reasonable and accurate re-wording of existing consensus language) are real issues in places, while many of your edit summaries seems to vary from problematic to blatantly misleading. SnowRise 00:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

References

1. Bergen & Cruickshank 2008 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFBergenCruickshank2008 (help); Wright 2008 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFWright2008 (help). Quotes taken from Riedel 2008, pp. 106–07 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFRiedel2008 (help) and Bergen & Cruickshank 2008 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFBergenCruickshank2008 (help).

PoisonHK

The user has been informed of CTOP , warned and/or challenged by other editors, and already temp blocked twice (unblock request declined: ) for POV-pushing by adding/removing locality names in Ukraine and Russia. A couple of days ago he did it again at Volnovakha . Perhaps paradoxically, some of his edits in areas closer to my interests are not bad (for instance, this is a good addition), but it is apparently dependent on whether what they are editing aligns with their views or not. Ostalgia (talk) 09:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

They probably need an indef block. I warned them sufficiently, blocked a couple of times, they never responded (other than posting an unblock request) and never changed their behavior. Ymblanter (talk) 14:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I will work on the etymology section after on, but not native names (on the top part) of those articles. Is that okay? СлаваУкраїні 23:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

You should realize that if you do it again the consequences are likely going to be very serious. Ymblanter (talk) 07:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

You should have thought of this before persistently making these edits in spite of the advice, warnings, and blocks you got. At this point you are most likely going to avoid an indef because no uninvolved administrator seems particularly keen on looking at this report (which is understandable given that it was posted on the 24th of December), so don't waste this "second chance" (it's more like a fifth or sixth chance, but you get the point) and try to steer clear from problematic edits. Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 11:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Dismissed report regarding User:Keremmaarda

Hello,

some weeks ago I've opened a report regarding the user Keremmaarda, however, it was moved into IncidentArchive1144 and no action was taken. There were several users that were concerned about the uncivil demeanor that Keremmaarda was exhibiting himself. Everyone who criticized his behaviour was accused of being unneutral. I don't want to ping everyone that's been involved because that would go too far, but those are only some of the uncivil comments (disregarding the actual article the report was about):

Are you practicing nationalism?

all the editors who object are Albanian

Am I to blame here?

Now tell those who deleted the same things before a consensus was reached. Thanks (in response to Ostalgia, who criticized his behaviour)

You are not impartial (in response to PoliticDude, who criticized his behaviour)

But I think reading the report will suffice. Thank you. AlexBachmann (talk) 16:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:DIFFs would be important for folks to verify those posts & their context. That's probably why it wound up getting archived instead of having action taken. — The Hand That Feeds You: 17:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

No, these quotes are from the discussion that developed in the previous report, which was backed by diffs. It got archived due to lack of activity after a few days. I tried to mediate in the discussion but was less than impressed with the response I got from the user in question. Ostalgia (talk) 17:50, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

All the quotes are from the archived discussion. You also made some comments there but as Ostalgia correctly states, I think it was an accident that it was moved. Thanks AlexBachmann (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

LTA from disruptive 93* IP ranges

There is a person who since 2022 has been using various 93* Italian IP ranges to troll and make senseless edits to Misplaced Pages. Their edits are usually in South Asian/Indian/Pakistani pages (though occasionally they'll troll on some unrelated pages) and typically center around inflating their religion's numbers in various Indian states or districts or even in European or North American states or cities, changing demographic figures in general or writing things that glorify their religion. They have made at least 1000+ edits and have been blocked countless times (typically short 24-48 hour blocks on individual IPs).

This IP range 93.33.0.0/16 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) seems to mostly contain this user's edits even on pages such as- and and and and .

I was hoping this range could be blocked for some time to prevent vandalism and disruption. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Blocked – for a period of one year. El_C 19:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks El_C. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like the same LTA Italian mobile IP who has been making changes to tower and building articles, related to their heights. Example: Special:Contributions/93.147.210.61 .. it's been going on since 2022 involving 100s or 1000s of articles (that now litter my watchlist). They have also created sock accounts which get blocked. -- GreenC 20:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Londonbeat dance band versus Italian IPs – rangeblock exercise

The Londonbeat article has a persistent Italian person attached to it, trying to change the group's nationality from British to British-American. The person uses a variety of IPs from the Rome area. To stop the disruption, the article could be semi-protected for a long time or permanently, or the IPs could be partially rangeblocked.

The 151.xx IPs are widely dispersed; larger than a /16 range. Here are the involved IPs from the last two months:

• 37.100.146.139 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 93.148.97.18 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 93.148.109.180 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.3.162 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.144.48 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.155.47 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.161.113 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.193.52 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.206.178 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.238.79 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.19.240.157 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.35.205.187 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.35.238.109 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.37.241.233 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.47.77.48 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.47.116.100 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.47.238.107 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.75.198.146 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.77.66.69 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.77.91.202 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.77.140.94 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 151.77.147.33 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))

Regarding the actual content dispute: three of the four founding members had been performing together in the UK for a decade before finding a native Englander as their fourth member and establishing themselves in London. The Los Angeles Times said they were a "new British soul wave" group. Spin magazine said they were "one of the latest British acts to invade the U.S. via MTV." It doesn't really matter that two of the four were ex-patriate Americans, or another member was from Trinidad. They were all living in the UK for years, and they formed the group in the UK, which establishes the nationality of the group. Binksternet (talk) 19:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Pinging User:Revirvlkodlaku who has been helping to keep the article accurate. Binksternet (talk) 19:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

See section above this, two other Italian IP clusters have persistently been adding false information, since 2022. Different topic areas though. -- GreenC 20:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Aronitz

Continuously removing Outlook links, alleging they are corrupt and "paid media". But journalists don't work for peanuts do they? And Outlook doesn't appear in WP:RSP. Kailash29792 (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I can't find "corrupt" in their list of edit summaries; please provide a diff link illustrating the behavior. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Outlook India is mentioned at WP:NEWSORGINDIA regarding sponsored content disguised as news. RudolfRed (talk) 01:56, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: fixing ping. RudolfRed (talk) 01:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

My bad. But that isn't an excuse to outright remove the source. Besides, it's only the business spotlight section mentioned at WP:RSP, but since Outlook isn't listed in the table (unlike Times of India), it is not a non-RS. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

A table entry is not necessarily needed for a source to be non-reliable... but I'm explaining and asking for the obvious. Diffs, for example. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Here's one: – Business spotlight. Here's your response:

Hm. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Happyjit Singh not following standard layout and also not keen to discuss.

Happyjit Singh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The user primarily edits articles related to Indian elections just like I do. The problem is that he doesn't want to follow the Manual of Style/Layout for Indian election articles that is MOS:INDELECT despite being asked to do so repeatedly. If we look at his talk page he has been asked multiple times to follow the layout but he has failed every time. I myself while reverting his disruptive edits mentioned in edit summaries to follow the layout. The most recent example is his recent edits where he has added parties which are not considered major contenders in the infobox violating Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Indian politics/Election: Article structure#Infobox which says Only those parties that are covered by Reliable Media as a major contender for winning that election are listed in the infobox. The number of potential contenders can be 2,3 or 4 etc. Many parties and independents will contest in the election, all of them cannot be added in the infobox. and The major contenders should not be removed from infobox after the results are declared even if they get 0 seats, because they "were" the major contenders "during" the election. Now after he added the non-major contenders in various articles I reverted his edits and left a message at his talk page User talk:Happyjit Singh#Can you please understand. I asked him once again to follow the layout but he ignored my advise and went on to revert my reverts. I again reverted him and broadly explained both at his talk page and in edit summaries that your additions are disputed and should be added only after it is resolved. But he replies with something from god knows where and restores his edits the way he wants and asks me to add parties with atleast 1 seat and remove them after the results are declared if they get 0 seat. Now if I do this which I won't I will be violating the standard layout which says the major contenders at the time of election should not be removed even if they get 0 seats bcoz they were considered major at the time of the election. He has been warned by multiple editors before also to stop his disruptions and personal analysis as they violate WP:NOR and Misplaced Pages:SYNTH but he doesn't want to listen to any of these things. Now after restoring the last version twice within 24 hours if I do so once again I shall be violating WP:3RR which I don't want.

I am not providing revision links as there are many and it can be easily accessed in the contributions history of both of us. Still if something is needed I am happy to provide. I am pinging Dhruv edits who too has warned him multiple times. ShaanSengupta 06:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I warned the user that they must respond here before other editing in order to avoid an indefinite block. I have no idea who is right but clearly the issue needs to be settled without further edit warring. Johnuniq (talk) 06:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Johnuniq I hope this makes you understand better. The whole thing is about which parties are to be mentioned in the infobox. Now this was a content dispute initially and was meant to be resolved through discussion. I thought of reporting this at dispute resolution board but brought it here to ANI bcoz of repeated reverts by the user. Coming to the topic. MOS:INDELECT is the Standard Layout for all Indian election articles. Now the Infobox section says that only parties that are considered as major contender by reliable sources should be added bcoz many parties will be contesting and it is not possible to add every party. That was what was there before Happyjit added small parties with 1-2 seats in previous elections which violates the layout as they aren't covered as major contender by reliable sources and this also violates WP:NOR and WP:SYNTH. ShaanSengupta 07:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I can't remember so many rules. Being a doctor I've to remember hundreds of medicine an illiterate can't edit wiki pages. Happyjit Singh (talk) 07:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

If you can't learn the rules, don't edit here. It's that simple. — The Hand That Feeds You: 17:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

We both are now Extended Confirmed. So, I'm no longer your subordinate that I've to listen you.. Happyjit Singh (talk) 07:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

It is totally your problem that you can't remember the rules. And just bcoz you and I both are extended confirmed doesn't mean that you are free to ignore all the warnings and advises of another user. Also it doesn't mean that an EC user can't make mistakes. This again shows that you are moving closer to WP:NOTTHERE as you can't remember rules, you are no longer needed to listen to other EC users and many more. ShaanSengupta 07:27, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

MOS:INDELECT is for parliamentary and legislative election not for parliamentary election by state. Happyjit Singh (talk) 07:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Happyjit Singh if you see MOS:INDELECT its very first line says This reference is a guideline on writing about Indian Election (Parliamentary and Legislative Election) this means that all the elections that are a part of 2024 Indian general election come under it. Those articles are made to specify the scenario of general elections statewise. For example 2024 Indian general election in Uttar Pradesh is a parliamentary election that is a part of 2024 Indian general election so it falls under it. It is not an independent election. It is just a detailed explanation of how the 2024 Indian general elections went in Uttar Pradesh. And the header of MOS:INDELECT is Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Indian politics/Election: Article structure which means all Indian election articles should be made under its guidelines. ShaanSengupta 07:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Isn't it wrong to add alliance vote share and seats in place of parties. In parliamentary election by state how we can judge major party. Happyjit Singh (talk) 07:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I've edited the pages as per as the format used in last election. Dhruv had warned me for adding opiion poll and result by party table. But had not warned you even though you've added opinion poll table in Next Bihar Legislative Assembly election. You can't ignore my contributions in improving in previous general election pages, past legislative election pages, general election pages by state and science. Happyjit Singh (talk) 07:07, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The content dispute is at one side and you ignoring my message at your talk page and restoring your edits violating all the policies is just a abuse of your editing privileges. I told you not to restore those things before discussing but you just were not so much interested in following the rule and says I was late. This is just not so civil and shows your aggressive way of editing. This could have been let go if you were new but you now are an extended confirmed user, so you should have been more careful. ShaanSengupta 07:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Please pick an example article where this dispute is evident and put a link to it here. Then discuss what should happen for that particular article on its article talk page. I will offer an opinion after seeing the result. Remind me after the outcome at the example article is either agreed or at a stalemate. Johnuniq (talk) 07:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok I am taking 2024 Indian general election in Maharashtra as an example. I would explain it first here. After that if it still needs to be discussed I shall be happy to.

This is how the article looked before the dispute arose. Now Happyjit adds a party with just 1 seat and 0.73% vote share in the infobox which is not a major contender at Revision as of 14:24, 23 December 2023 saying Parties with atleast 1 seat must be added as in country wise European Parliament election pages even if they have less than 1% vote share. Now what makes me say that it is not a major contender. Two things, first the last election stats and second the reliable sources analysis. We can see 2024 Indian general election in Maharashtra#Surveys and polls to see the analysis by reliable sources (The section is transcluded from Opinion polling for the 2024 Indian general election). It shows two alliances as NDA & I.N.D.I.A. (whose prominent member parties are in infobox, the first 6 parties) and mentions Others. Now the party added by Happyjit in this article is AIMIM which is included in others by the agencies which signifies that it is not covered as a major contender for this election.

I revert him at Revision as of 17:16, 24 December 2023 and tell him that We follow Indian election articles structure not European. Please take MOS:INDELECT as a guideline/layout. He ignores the advise bcoz he thinks he is not needed to follow it since he too is an EC user (as stated above) and restores without wanting a need to discuss. I revert him and leave message at his talk page asking him to discuss before reverting. But he ignores once again and restores his version. Then again I ask him to wait and discuss otherwise I will be forced to report to which he says I am late. Then I came here. All of this can be seen in the contributions history and Happyjit's talk page. ShaanSengupta 07:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

No, please don't explain here. Post at the article talk and start from scratch as if there had been no prior discussion. That will help anyone else who wants to understand the issue. @Happyjit Singh: Similarly, please do not comment here anymore at the moment. Instead, respond at Talk:2024 Indian general election in Maharashtra. Johnuniq (talk) 08:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Just for the record, I have started the discussion at Talk:2024 Indian general election in Maharashtra#Repeated addition of non-major contenders. ShaanSengupta 08:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta: I'm sorry to be picky but your current message at article talk is not optimum. I know all this bureaucracy is frustrating but things will work out best if the article discussion is focused on the issue. Like I said just above, it would help others if you briefly explained the basics. Sure, link to the guideline but also add a sentence outlining what it says and why you think it is that way. That is, how does it help the article that the guideline be followed? If no one has replied, I suggest replacing your current text with something that outlines the issues in way that would help beginners. There is no need to mention another editor or "violating" or "despite being asked". Stick to the article issue. Johnuniq (talk) 08:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Johnuniq I have made changes according to your advise and best of my ability. Please see and let me know if its okay or something more is needed.

Also if you can please let Happyjit know that the layout MOS:INDELECT is applicable on all Indian election articles and specially these since these are just a part of 2024 Indian general election and not an independent election as this is just a seperate article to show the scenario of every state, bcoz by his replies it seems he won't listen to me. This is very much needed. ShaanSengupta 08:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Shaan Sengupta, please be aware that Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Indian politics/Election: Article structure is a so-called "information page". It is neither a policy nor a guideline, and editors are not obligated to comply with it. Cullen328 (talk) 06:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Shaan Sengupta, a single editor wrote 73% of the content of that information page and there is no talk page discussion whatsoever. The editor in question has been blocked four times and has been inactive for eight months. In other words, I have found no evidence that this page represents community consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 06:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 and Shaan Sengupta: I've made the talk page redirect to the base Indian politics wikiproject talk page. The first edits says that Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Indian politics/Election: Article structure was originally copied from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Indian politics/Constituencies: Article structure and 2019 Indian general election although the copied content was very limited . The Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Indian politics does seem somewhat active so you can probably seek feedback on how useful the newish election info page is, however be aware that the wikiproject still can't create any binding rules. Note that likewise this discussion Talk:2022 Gujarat Legislative Assembly election#Last revert AAP in infobox cited as evidence of consensus for including major contenders is useful to get an idea of why that might be the case, but should not be considered as establishing any site-wide consensus since it's a fairly limited local discussion. More importantly perhaps, it doesn't really address what seems to be at the heart of this dispute namely when to add parties that aren't "major contenders". Nil Einne (talk) 10:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Imamul Ifaz

• Imamul Ifaz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous May 2023 ANI here.

At first I thought that their edit I reverted here might have been a mistake, so I issued a warning. But it's really a very weird mistake to make, and after looking at the user's history I'm convinced that it was deliberate.

Whether that edit was vandalism or incompetence after all, considering the many warnings, the previous block, and more warnings in July and November, I think an indef would serve better. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

This feels like a targeted. I mistakenly just changed a nickname at the lead page, which wasn't my initial intend. I feel like this is a power trip. You reached out to my talk page and I haven't responded yet you bring this to administrative notices. I haven't been in any beef for past 7 months and trying to adapt with wikipedia's editing policy as much as possible. I feel like my past mistakes has been used up against me to power trip. Imamul Ifaz (talk) 21:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

You may be right. However, changing out a correct name for a very obviously incorrect name without any explanation is not the type of mistake that everyone makes. It either degrades Misplaced Pages or takes away valuable time from other editors. You really must start being more careful when editing. Can you promise that you will do so? ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Over 50 instances of IP vandalism by user who's using over 15 IP addresses

A single anonymous editor has been using over 15 IP addresses to vandalise St Joseph's Institution, Singapore over 50 instances since August this year, also leaving vandalism and somewhat abusive messages on multiple editors' talk pages.

I have not linked divs here as for the most part, these IPs' contribution comprise only the acts of vandalism, which are mostly the same thing, either calling SJI a school full of rapists and pedophiles, blanking sections en masse, and telling users that SJI is a bad school:

• Special:Contributions/219.74.14.136
• Special:Contributions/2401:7400:6016:497F:5C30:9BCA:8234:688
• Special:Contributions/2401:7400:6017:B6FA:9D10:7186:8ECB:FEA7
• Special:Contributions/175.140.168.196
• Special:Contributions/219.92.105.98
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Dawkin Verbier (talk) 15:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The page has now been semi-protected for one year by an admin. — Diannaa (talk) 18:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive behavior by User:AKASH_TH15

User:AKASH_TH15 has been adding unreliable sources such as boxofficeadda.com,,, despite many warnings from me and another editor. Warning 1 , Warning 2 and replied with apology but continued to readd unreliable source, Warning 3 , Warning 4 . Then User:AKASH_TH15 copied and pasted warning 4 from his talk page to my talk page. and continued to add unreliable source that fails WP:ICTFSOURCES . User:AKASH_TH15 has been ignoring warnings and Misplaced Pages policies and continues to disrupt by replacing reliable sources with unreliable ones. Warning 5 from another editor and user AKASH_TH15 still continues to disrupt. Warning 6 . He went ahead and also created page on Misplaced Pages for boxofficeadda.com with unreliable sources.. Looks like he is trying to promote this site. There have been enough warnings but no change in an improvement in behavior. RangersRus (talk) 20:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I've nominated the article for speedy deletion per CSD A7: I think the closest the article gets to credibly claiming importance. is "has been used by some leading newspapers as reference", but I don't think that even gets there. It's borderline, though, maybe I should've just gone for AfD. Remsense留 20:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Unsourced additions

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Mohamad1123 has since October been adding unsourced information to Piran (tribe) and thus reverted and warned on their talkpage but to no prevail. Semsûrî (talk) 10:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Partial-blocked from the article in question directing them to their user talk. Once they acknowlege they have read Help:Referencing for beginners and the warning messages, no issues with them being unblocked. Daniel (talk) 10:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

امور تاریخی وادبی عشایر کرد is most likely a sockpuppet of theirs.

Semsûrî (talk) 11:01, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Both got indef'ed by Doug Weller post-my block. Daniel (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

173.29.27.108

Merry Christmas everyone! 173.29.27.108 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has been blocked twice before for adding unsorted content to BLPs, but they are still at it. They are also making edits that are clear vandalism, such as this, which makes me think the unsourced content is also nonsense...although some edits are valid and I have been able to verify the info. GiantSnowman 11:56, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Two weeks this time, for vandalism. Miniapolis 23:02, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

122.106.10.1 WP:CIR

122.106.10.1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was blocked on 19 December for 72 hours due to poor edits (spelling, grammar, formatting, MOS, or other content errors) on nearly every edit, and not responding to talk page notices such as here. Once the first ANI notice was published they left a couple messages on my talk page defending their edits

During the block they edited the same pages with IP 49.179.62.41 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).

Post-block, they have returned to editing without any improvement or communication, including this one , which contained a 74-word run-on sentence. Celjski Grad (talk) 12:01, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

User:M.Bitton

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This user is engaged in an editorial war based on ideological beliefs. I made edits to the page based on constructive considerations, primarily citing a United Nations General Secretariat (UNGS) report from 2002 that refers to Morocco as the administrative power in Western Sahara. This differs from the original source, which appears to draw its own conclusions without referencing any international body decision .

While the original source attributes the term "occupation" to scholarly analysis, I argue that the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions consistently refer to the region as disputed, not occupied, and so does the UNGS.

I have engaged in a discussion on the article talk page, providing a rationale for my edits and attempting to address concerns raised by the other editor

The other editor instead prefers to engage in personalizing the debate and an editorial war.

Raye Smith (talk) 19:14, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Raye_Smith
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Political_status_of_Western_Sahara#c-M.Bitton-20231226161300-Raye_Smith-20231226160900

Do you have any diffs regarding the other editor's behavior? Otherwise it appears more like a content dispute not necessarily suited for ANI. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 19:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) This would appear to be a WP:CONTENTDISPUTE, not seeing any basis for sanctions based on this report. Please make use of the forums and processes available for content dispute resolution. _signed, Rosguill 19:20, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

• This a simple content dispute, and this noticeboard does not comment on such; as it says at the top of the page, it is for "chronic and unmanageable behavioral problems." However, there do appear to be two behavioural issues here; firstly, after M.Bitton reverted your edit, your next stop should have been the article's talk page, not to reply on your talk page and immediately revert again (see WP:BRD). Also, you do not appear to have provided any justification for your claims that M.Bitton's edits are based on "ideological beliefs", so you might want to strike those comments. Black Kite (talk) 19:24, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

  I posted my reasoning on the article talk page, but M.Bitton ignored my comments, reverted my edits, and commented on my talk page instead.

  M.Bitton repeatedly refers to the situation as "which describes it as what it is, an occupation," despite neither the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) nor the UNGS using such terminology. Ignoring international resolutions in favor of scholarly conclusions suggests an ideological bias. Raye Smith (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

• Feels retaliatory for Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Morrocan, if I'm honest. Also, clearly a content dispute with no evidence provided of issues with M.Bitton's edits. Daniel (talk) 19:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

• Unless User:Morrocan was using deliberately poor English in many of their comments, I don't think they're the same person; not that it makes any difference to this issue. Black Kite (talk) 19:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

• Don't disagree, was more pointing to possible motivation for OP to bring it here. Daniel (talk) 19:54, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

  As I noted in the SPI as well, while it's not clear that this is the same person as Morrocan, it seems quite clear that this is not their first account or their first argument with M.Bitton. _signed, Rosguill 19:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

59.89.199.126

This IP (User talk:59.89.199.126 Special:Contributions/59.89.199.126) is very likely User:Jaikumar Linga Balija based on their contributions to Linga Balija. Named user is currently blocked per their talk page and this previous incident. Some text they added to Linga Balija (Special:Diff/1191946336) is copied from this journal, although it's old enough to be in public domain. Reconrabbit (talk|edits) 21:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

RedundancyAdvocate/SurferSquall behavior

Not super familiar with Misplaced Pages noticeboards but this appears to be the most appropriate venue to raise attention to this issue. I've recently been involved in a bit of a heated back and forth with @RedundancyAdvocate. This started when he re-added links to Simple Flying, an unreliable aviation blog, which I've made a point of removing (there's now a discussion about this website on the reliable sources noticeboard).

In this discussion, he has argued that this blog (Simple Flying) is more reliable than The Nikkei then defending that position after he edit warring to include his preferred blog over Nikkei as a citation.

Unfortunately, I their behavior has fallen far short of civil. Aside from accusing me of vandalism for removing citations to this unreliable source (repeatedly, see reliable sources noticeboard), the editor has spammed my page with warning templates even re-adding them when I removed them (admittedly, I responded with some warnings too after he posted rather rudely with the seeming belief that their misguided "warnings" using templates were proof that I were vandalizing). Vaguely threatening language like "we might have a problem" is unhelpful in my opinion, and their repeated rudeness led another editor to suggest they stop. I wasn't planning to do anything beyond attempting to avoid them going forward but another issue raised my interest.

A comment in the reliable sources noticeboard suggested that RedundancyAdvocate's behavior in this matter matched prior discussions (which I was not a part of) involving a user called SurferSquall.

RedundancyAdvocate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

SurferSquall (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Interestingly, when RedundancyAdvocate began editing, @Ckfasdf brought it up on their talk page. RedundancyAdvocate began most of its editing around the time that SurferSquall was blocked for one week for disruptive editing. They picked up right where SurferSquall left off, even redoing the same edit.

I also note the similarities in their editing styles and they even both use their sandboxes in similar ways.

User:RedundancyAdvocate/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User:SurferSquall/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Ckfasdf says it may be an appropriate use of multiple accounts but it seems as though the new account is attempting to avoid scrutiny from the many warnings, blocks + discussions about the old account. I'm not sure but felt this user's behavior deserves wider attention. Avgeekamfot (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

This is absolutely not a valid use of an alternate account, should it be confirmed that they are the same person. Editing when blocked, evading scrutiny, and then situations like this: (only one example of many, I suspect) is clearly abusive sockpuppetry - again, if it is confirmed that the editors are the same person. Can I suggest filing a WP:SPI and asking for a checkuser to review? Daniel (talk) 22:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Also found this: I have to run now and don't know what SPI is but will try to look into it later. Thank you for the suggestion! Avgeekamfot (talk) 22:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

If you're mad that I warned you, just say that. No reason to warn me back twice and then open an ANI. RedundancyAdvocate (talk) 03:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

If you want help with opening the SPI case, I can help set it up with Twinkle. Just give me the links to anything relevant you find! ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 11:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I already went over this with Ckfasdf. I follow aviation topics on Misplaced Pages closely and edit accordingly. If I had the same judgement as another user, that's hardly justification for accusing me of being a sockpuppet. RedundancyAdvocate (talk) 03:11, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

My problem is not with you removing Simple Flying. That is the right thing to do, because it's not an entirely reliable source. My problem is that you removed Simple Flying links before giving a reason why. You eventually did give a reason why, and that's great, but you needed to do that before you removed all of those SF citations. I never said SF is more reliable than Nikkei- only that it seemed so when I quickly read through it. You also left two warns on my talk page that made zero sense given the chronological order of events in this situation. You ALSO claimed my warn to you was harassment, when it doesn't meet that definition at all. RedundancyAdvocate (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Avgeekamfotread above. I suggest you actually read what I say before responding as if I said something entirely different. RedundancyAdvocate (talk) 03:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:ZT and WP:TENDENTIOUS block appropriate?

• Jingle38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I was going to indef Jingle38 under WP:ZT for this edit, but thought I should check first. This user has a history of tendentious efforts related to American politics and Jews. Example diffs: , , , , , , . Does a NOTHERE inder block sound appropriate? EvergreenFir (talk) 00:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Make it so. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Blocked now. Any admin may reverse or modify it if they wish. EvergreenFir (talk) 02:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

s201050066

User:S201050066 has gotten hold of another IP address. He made a threat on my talk page. Andykatib (talk) 00:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

He has also made a threat on @Tenryuu:'s talk page as well. Andykatib (talk) 00:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I was just about to submit a report myself. I'm going to add a previous discussion template at the top of this section for more context. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, S201050066 certainly doesn't know how to let go of the past or to control his emotions. At least he had some small amount of decency to wait until after Christmas and Boxing Day. Andykatib (talk) 00:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Editor falsely pressing charges for block evasion

Hello, I have a problem. An editor is attempting to press charges on me for block evasion when I never evaded any block. He has me confused with a different editor but refuses to listen. He tells everyone I am a troll and to not interact with me. If you look at my contributions you will see that this is not the case. I made a mistake in the past and did my time. I accept that I made a mistake and would like to move forward but no one will let me. Part of this project is AGF. I get it that disagreements happen but if you press charges every time someone looks at you cross eyed it is bad for the project and unfair to me because everyone looks at me like I am a criminal. 2600:1700:1250:6D80:A5E3:2339:6344:1CDA (talk) 23:00, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Since you are editing from a different IP address than from the one was blocked, User:Generalrelative is correct. You are evading your block, and any further attempts at block evasion will result in this ip address being blocked from editing as well. Cheers ‍ Relativity 23:28, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for piping up, Relativity. Hopefully you and I are not caught in a twin paradox! Generalrelative (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Generalrelative :) Cheers ‍ Relativity 23:44, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

(ec) Hi all, the IP here is referring to me. This user is an LTA who uses an array of ranges and has been blocked multiple times on both 2600:1012:B000:0:0:0:0:0/40 and 2600:1700:1250:6D80:0:0:0:0/64. See this hatted discussion for detailed evidence that they are the same user. Under the /40 they were recently blocked for 2 years by Widr, so they are indeed currently evading a block. The entire situation is detailed on Widr's talk page, where the IP followed me. Generalrelative (talk) 23:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

You guys are confused. I am editing from a diffrent IP address because the other IP address is NOT MINE. Thats what I keep trying to tell everyone!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1250:6D80:A5E3:2339:6344:1CDA (talk) 02:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

It would be strange then to call the block my block when you are saying that you were not the one who was blocked. See Cheers ‍ Relativity 02:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

For simplicity's sake, here is one diff where this IP user unambiguously identifies themselves as being both 2600:1012:B000:0:0:0:0:0/40 and 2600:1700:1250:6D80:0:0:0:0/64. There is plenty of other behavioral evidence available but this one edit alone is dispositive.

Here's how the conversation went down, on the subject of another recently blocked editor:

1) 2600:1700:1250:6D80:0:0:0:0/64 comments to say (in part) So I have no idea how you would think he is a single-purpose account.

2) JayBeeEll objects: Well over 300 of his < 500 edits concern the single subject.

3) 2600:1012:B000:0:0:0:0:0/40 responds: Right. And most of those edits were made to TALK. So as I said, not a single-purpose account.

There is no ambiguity there at all, given the use of the phrase "as I said". The lying by this IP just compounds their other disruption. I dislike going to ANI but it may be required in this case. Generalrelative (talk) 03:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Generalrelative: I'll move this conversation over there. Cheers ‍ Relativity 04:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Generalrelative (talk) 04:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC) Note: This was posted to the Teahouse after I moved the discussion here due to an edit conflict. Cheers ‍ Relativity 04:11, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

break: now that we're at ANI, let's continue below

Synopsis: I initially thought I could avoid a circus by bringing this issue to the most recently blocking admin, Widr, who had given the 2600:1012:B000:0:0:0:0:0/40 range a two-year block a couple weeks ago. I informed them on their talk page that this LTA is still editing as 2600:1700:1250:6D80:0:0:0:0/64 and also under a previously unsanctioned /64: 2603:8002:73F:1FCF:0:0:0:0/64 (note the previous range identifying as the author of posts by this final range in this discussion). The IP user then followed me to Widr's talk page and opened up a thread of their own at Teahouse. Relativity was kind enough to bring the case here after I suggested it may be necessary. There is plenty of evidence that these IP ranges are the same user, so if anyone has any questions about what's provided above or would like to see more, just let me know. Generalrelative (talk) 04:18, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support a range-block - There's too much evading going on. GoodDay (talk) 05:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, evading and then lying about it, despite having admitted to being the same user multiple times in the past. For the sake of convenience, here's another piece of dispositive evidence: In this comment, 2600:1700:1250:6D80:0:0:0:0/64 wrote "I attempted - several times - to explain..." and each of those links leads to a diff by the 2600:1012:B000:0:0:0:0:0/40 range. Generalrelative (talk) 07:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Hmkelly, copyright violations, and promotional writing

• Hmkelly (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• PolyU School of Hotel and Tourism Management (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hmkelly was created in 2010 and appears to have had a sole interest in the PolyU School of Hotel and Tourism Management since then. The user's first undeleted edit was to that page in 2016, and the user has edited exclusively about that school (and its affiliated hotel).

The user has repeatedly added material copied-and-pasted from the website of the school, despite multiple warnings on the user's talk page that go back as far as 2020, after an IP removed material the user had inserted in this edit that was copied and pasted from the University website (here, for example) and promptly warned the user. The user has proceeded to ignore warnings and remove copyvio-revdel template from the page, even though the template explicitly states Please do not remove this template before an administrator has reviewed it.

Because the user has been repeatedly copy-pasting ad copy from the University website into the article without regard for copyright or compliance with Misplaced Pages's style guide, and because this was done in spite of multiple warnings, I ask that the user be (at minimum) partially blocked from the PolyU School of Hotel and Tourism Management article until they demonstrate better understanding of our policies and guidelines related to copyright, as well as our style guidance related to promotional tone. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I have indefinitely pageblocked Hmkelly from PolyU School of Hotel and Tourism Management and Hotel Icon (Hong Kong). Cullen328 (talk) 07:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Nihonjinron (a topic about Japan) - edit war

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This article is an apparent POV coatrack attack page, extreme undue weight on old and poorly reviewed, fringey material basically designed to bash Japanology/Japanese studies as a legit topic, and possibly undisclosed COI editing. Nishidani is reverting copy edits (Nishidani reverts almost any edit I make on any page), constructive rewriting or removing of unsourced material, and templates, with derisory messages

Can you please tell him not to, or if I'm wrong, tell me? I know he is a regular, we've tangled in the past. Does he have any connection, given his username being also Japanese and his early editing going back to 2008 and earlier on that page? They've responded with an allegation here User_talk:Nishidani#December_2023. To be clear, as you can see from my edits, I edit many articles, including recent reviews of Japan articles, and I created maneki-neko back in 2004, as does Nishidani. I've also created Minoru Arakawa, Shigesato Itoi, PC-6000 series and edited other Japanese topic articles. Should we read his message to read that because I am in a dispute with someone else that agrees with him, he can revert any of my edits on any page he ever edited? Lest someone think that I am instigating this, I was constructively editing the article, and see what Nishidani did? Remove all the templates, restore all the unsourced content tagged since 2015 and 2017? Blatant incivil messages? Need I invoke ONUS and RS and V and CIVIL? REMOVING the reliable references in journals and reference improvements I added? 10:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

It should be noted that since nothing in WP:CoI policy even remotely suggests that either being Japanese, having a Japanese user name, nor knowing something about the subject matter of an article constitute a conflict of interest. Your blatant attempt to provoke a contributor you have tangled with elsewhere by posting an utterly inappropriate zero-evidence CoI template as your first response to a revert of your edit will no doubt thus backfire on you. I'd drop it now, before more people start looking at the sequence of events here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I posted that in response to the perceived possible COI, given again the similar Japanese name and the immediate revert and their revert comment. I edited that template to a different message since the original note wasn't the one I wanted, which you can see in that talk history. and in response to that the editor stated on their talk they are are "former Japanologist," which would confirm the WP:OR tags placed since 2015 on that article that I was attempting to remedy, which Nishidani reverted. Now they say I'm banned from this page, is that allowed? WP:OWN, WP:ONUS Andre🚐 11:44, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for admitting once again that you have absolutely no remotely valid evidence to justify making allegations of a CoI as your first response to being reverted. This was self-evidently done to pick a fight, as should be obvious to anyone. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

How is it fair that I am the one picking the fight? I made productive edits, they reverted it, with a comment that indicated to me possible OR/COI, so I asked them if they have a connection to the topic, and they confirmed one, a former Japanologist, inserting OR. I don't have any other evidence than the evidence I've given so far, which again, should be sufficient to show a problem. Andre🚐 11:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the evidence is entirely sufficient to show a problem. When a someone who's been a contributor since 2003 posts entirely evidence-free claims of a CoI on another established contributor's talk page as the first response to being reverted, it is most definitely problematic. Are we really expected to believe you don't understand what a CoI is after all these years? AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:59, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Really, I was trying to send a template that says "do you have too close of a connection to the topic," and how does this obviate the evidence above of problematic behavior? Are you saying my edits were not good? Andre🚐 12:01, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

You have presented no evidence of problematic behaviour. Not from Nishidani, anyway. Or has WP:BRD been revised lately, to say that when reverted your first response should be accuse your reverter of knowing the subject matter, and thereby having a conflict of interest? AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

So it's now OK to remove templates and restore unsourced material and tagged OR fro 2015 and 2017? Andre🚐 12:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I have absolutely no opinion on whether the templates were valid, whether the article contained unsourced material, whether it contained OR, and whether Nishidani was responsible for any of it. I haven't looked at it in the detail necessary to make such a determination, and I suspect I don't know enough about the subject matter to be able to tell. That isn't a question for WP:ANI though, since that would be a content dispute, and we are looking into behavioural issues here - namely, your essentially evidence-free allegations against Nishidani, made as a first response to being reverted. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:14, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I didn't say who was responsible for it originally, but Nishidani restored it, so he becomes responsible for it then. That is policy. As far as the rest, thank you for admitting that you didn't review the diffs, which do substantiate a behavioral issue, which is recurring. I've just come over to do some productive edits and I'd like to be able to engage productively without being insulted or having editors restoring unsourced material and then say they own the article. That is behavioral. And the evidence is right there. Andre🚐 12:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, any editor may ask you to not post to their talkpage (WP:NOBAN). Black Kite (talk) 11:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I read that as "don't edit the article." I will not post to their talk anymore, unless to notify them of a discussion which I have to do Andre🚐 11:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• Something needs to be done with Andrevan. They're basically maintaining the battleground behavior that has just got them topic-banned by SFR from Israel/Palestine, and most of their subsequent activity seems to be trolling people. ——Serial 12:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry, what is trolling about this? Andre🚐 12:18, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  The bit where you looked through Nishidani's contribution history to find an article to pick a fight on. Or was it pure coincidence that you picked an obscure article on aspects of Japanese literature to edit on, and then to post into Wikipediocracy's 'Crap Article' thread? AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  Are you saying that I, as an editor who has made about 1800 edits and a number of page curation reviews this month to a variety of different topics, some of which are Japan-related and were not edited by Nishidani, could not have possibly edited an article that Nishidani, who has 94,000 edits, edited in the last 20 years? Andre🚐 12:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Just to note the article is a mess because it contains an uncorrected machine translation of the Japanese article. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 12:25, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it's a huge mess, that I'm trying to cleanup, and being obstructed. Before I forget, I asked WProject Japan for help too, since it seems like people are getting ready to indef me for having the gall to edit an article that Nishidani edited 20 years ago. So before someone attacks this, it's not forum shopping, the article needs help. Andre🚐 12:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• (ec) This appears to be a quick and unnecessary escalation of a content dispute. Hopefully this can be amicably resolved by having the report withdrawn by the OP and discussion on how to improve the article on its talk page. Isabelle Belato 12:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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