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Arizona State University incident

This is an article from Inside Higher Education. Lots of sources available, so significant. Eg Doug Weller talk 08:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Your edit is much too similar to a previously challenged edit citing a "BLP problem". I think that reasoning has merit, because Boyles appears to be largely not public figure. Your revert did nothing to address the problem and I asked you to self-revert, but as you have failed to do so, I will remove the quote. I will let "e.g. why he hates America" to stand, but I am afraid leaving only that part might be misleading.If you want to gain consensus for restoring the edit (or similar content), you should present evidence that the accusation is commonly repeated in reliable sources. If the accusation is to be included, our article should also very likely mention that there is no evidence for the accusation (see the source you cited). Politrukki (talk) 17:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Kyle Rittenhouse description

Considering that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted, and deemed to have acted in self defence, describing him as "a young man who gained notoriety for murder charges in Kenosha" seems both misleading and defaming. It also seems like an attempt to confuse rather than enlight the reader regarding the motivation for the portrayal of Rittenhouse at the TPUSA event.

Particularly when media had portrayed Rittenhouse as a racist vigilante who shot innocent black people, while the evidence revealed during the trial was that he had been chased and attacked by the three men he shot, that they were all white, at least two of them convicted felons with a history of violence and mental health issues. The third was only shot when he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. The background was that Kenosha police had abandoned parts of their city, and left it to the citizens to defend property from being stolen or destroyed by rioters. 2A02:1406:33:7DD8:1165:EB68:1DA:C837 (talk) 00:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

The section should probably be removed. Looking at the sources we have NPR which doesn't mention TPUSA. The other sources are marginal to establish weight. Mentioning the charges without mentioning that he was acquitted is a BLP problem. Given the weak sources and BLP issue as well as the very limited value of the paragraph (why is this DUE? Are we trying to lead the reader to a conclusion? This isn't presented as supporting evidence for a larger picture item). Given all that I would say remove it. Springee (talk) 16:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Springee, Looking at the information presented I can abide the removal of the "YWLS" section where there is mention of Kyle Rittenhouse. I would add though that we should maybe keep that first sentence that describes the YWLS conference and maybe use it in some capacity in the "annual summits" section (above the said YWLS section), since it is a good descriptor for that particular event. MaximusEditor (talk) 19:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

It might be worth noting YWLS somewhere but is it a stand out meeting or just one of many? I certainly wouldn't oppose inclusion in general but the content we have here is not encyclopedic. Springee (talk) 15:04, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Even with the "acquittal" changes, I'm still thinking just removing Rittenhouse completely by wiping away the section as a whole and just adding in the summary of YWLS in "Annual Summits" section would improve the article the most. MaximusEditor (talk) 16:26, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Would that abide by WP:DUEWEIGHT under NPOV and WP:STICKTOSOURCE under NOR, which say that articles follow the emphases of the cited RS? Llll5032 (talk) 17:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

The cited Business Insider article mentions Rittenhouse's acquittal, so that could be added in a few words. Llll5032 (talk) 01:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I think the NPR source was added to support the acquittal. I'm just not sure that any of this is due given the low quality sources that we are citing to begin with. Springee (talk) 15:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I added the acquittal from the cited RS while the other issues are considered. Llll5032 (talk) 07:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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