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Qin (surname meaning "ash tree") → Qin (surname) –

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Requested move 07:00, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. The predomimant argument seems to be that the "ash tree" version is far more prevalent than the "zither" version; also the latter now has its article deleted so there isn't anything to disambiguate any more anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Qin (surname) → ? –

  • There are two articles about surnames called "Qin", this one Qin (surname meaning "ash tree"), and the other one Qin (surname meaning "zither"); per WP:PDAB, once disambiguated, the disambiguatory form should not be ambiguous, but this is clearly so, especially with the associated Qin (last name) redirecting to the other article. Clearly this isn't something that should happen. I suggest that both "(surname)" and "(last name)" point to the same article, and that article should be an overview article on all family names, surnames, last names, gens, tribes, clans called "Qin" (be this a set index, a list, a disambiguation page; probably called Qin (name)), which would then point to other articles that have fuller disambiguation. 65.94.79.6 (talk) 07:00, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
  • "Ash tree" is incorrect. (I was misled by an erroneous Wikitionary entry when I first moved it.) If a revert should be done it should be moved to "pounding grain". _dk (talk) 08:00, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
But if Qin (surname meaning "zither") exists, another solution needs to be found for this article, as it leaves this only partially disambiguated, i.e. it is still ambiguous, per WP:PDAB. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
WP:PDAB is only a suggestion and is frequently overridden. See Talk:Nirvana (band)#Requested move, Anthrax (American band), and Qi (state). -Zanhe (talk) 02:20, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
WP:PDAB is a guideline, which means it can be overridden - though there are only 1 or 2 articles in the bands area where fans of the bands have done so. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a reason to override the guideline when we have other options. Especially seeing as WP:PDAB was only recently clarified, and the Nirvana discussion predates this. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
In which case, perhaps Qin (surname meaning "zither") should be deleted as non-notable, as you state that it "is extremely rare and not a single article exists about anyone with that surname, either on English or Chinese Misplaced Pages". --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Help readers - given that these entries are bordering into wiktionary territory, and given that the majority of readers looking for and using Chinese surnames articles will not be antagonistic towards Chinese surnames, then Qin (surname 秦, state) Qin (surname 琴, zither) will serve PDAB and readers. The small minority of readers of articles on Chinese surnames who are antagonistic towards Chinese surnames and whose eyes will melt and heads explode on seeing a Chinese surname in the title of an article on a Chinese surname can be given instructions to disable Chinese fonts on their computers or put a paper bag over their head. (tongue not as far in cheek as one might imagine) In ictu oculi (talk) 02:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Chinese characters are completely unacceptable per WP:ACCESS, WP:UE, etc, etc. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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