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Why is modern Polish Holocaust denial not mentioned?

It has become fashionable in Poland to paint the Polish nation as having been largely uninvolved or unwilling participants in the Holocaust, which is a form of soft Holocaust denial or "Holocaust distortion" as Jan Grabowski calls it. Why is this not mentioned in the text? It has gone so far as the PiS-controlled senate passing a law making pointing out Polish participation in the Holocaust punishable by up to three years in prison (BBC article, NYT article). KetchupSalt (talk) 11:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

What text do you suggest adding to what section cited to what sources? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Let me get back to you on that, I need to dive into the relevant research. KetchupSalt (talk) 09:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I have not tried looking at sources at all, but it may not be that easy to find good ones referring to this "thing" as Holocaust denial. Which is a must per WP:OR. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

"The Holohoax" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Why no evidence in the article for the denial?

There is literally a complete, separate Misplaced Pages article on the evidence for the standard Holocaust theory. ("Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust")

This seems to be the only article for Holocaust Denial. Why is there no evidence for the Holocaust Denial / Revisionism here? There are multiple books on the subject, and for example the Zundel trials were places where evidence was given. (The trial evidence is also in books)

So why is there no evidence in this article? For example, hoaxes relating to Holocaust diaries, death tolls etc are pure facts, and can be found even on MSM, but somehow not here. Ioooi (talk) 03:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Because we have a higher standard of what constitutes "evidence". - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 04:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Your statement seems to be objectively not true.

Ioooi (talk) 22:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

The same reason we don't list evidence that the earth is flat? EvergreenFir (talk) 04:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

You do realize it is much, much more persuasive to claim the the Flat Earthers are "wrong", if you actually take all of their arguments, and show why they are wrong?

Currently, Misplaced Pages clearly avoids every single thing about Holocaust Denial like a hot potato. Not a single mention of e.g. the long, long list of different hoaxes that made it even to MSM through all the years.

If the theory is true, it will be extremely easy to show that it is true. For example, everyone who doubts the gravity as a permanent physical phenomenom, can be pretty quickly shown to be wrong.

Ioooi (talk) 22:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Here is literally a list of evidence against the Evolution theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/Objections_to_evolution

Ioooi (talk) 22:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

As you noticed, there already is an article that explains the evidence for the Holocaust. TFD (talk) 06:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

But why on earth there is not a similar article on the evidence against the standard Holocaust theories?

The intellectual credibility of Misplaced Pages is not very high, if every single piece of evidence against the Holocaust is just censored to oblivion.

Here is an article against the Evolution theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Objections_to_evolution

Ioooi (talk) 22:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Note that that other article is "objections to evolution", not "evidence against evolution", because the former exist, but the latter does not. Likewise, there is no real "evidence against the standard Holocaust theories". We deal in facts here. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 23:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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