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Haaretz article: "Secret 1970 document confirms first West Bank settlements built on a lie."

Haaretz - Yotam Berger - Secret 1970 document confirms first West Bank settlements built on a lie, 28 July 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZScarpia (talk • contribs)

Security isn't a "pretext"

Under 4.2 Settlement Policy, the article reads "The government abrogated the prohibition from purchasing occupied land by Israelis; the "Drobles Plan", a plan for large-scale settlement in the West Bank meant to prevent a Palestinian state under the pretext of security became the framework for its policy."

The dictionary definition of pretext is something that is put forward to conceal a true purpose or object; an ostensible reason; excuse.

The provided citation doesn't support the copy in the wiki article. The document doesn't say that security was a pretext. The document says security is one of several reasons to develop the settlements. The cited article reads, "The following are the principles which guided the plan: 1. Settlement throughout the entire Land of Israel is for security and by right, A strip of settlements at strategic sites enhances both internal and external security alike, as well as making concrete and realizing our right to Eretz Israel..."

So the article isn't even denying that it assumes that the Israelis have some sort of biblical or historical right to Israel, BUT it also argues that the settlements would improve security.

There is also the matter that the same section of this article implies that these cited documents were written by representatives of the Israeli government; they were not, they were written by departments of the World Zionist Organization which is an NGO and not directed by the Israeli government. It was essentially written by a think tank advocating a certain perspective but the article casts it as from the central government planning office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.105.157 (talk)

The Israeli settlements map should be updated

under the 37th governments of Israel there has been a dramatic increase in settlements and legalization of outposts https://peacenow.org.il/en/%D9%8Dsettlements-map-2023 Monochromemelo1 (talk) 15:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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An article was recently published with significant new arguments relevant to this topic. I suggest changing the following sentence: "The scholar and jurist Eugene Rostow has disputed the illegality of authorized settlements." to read "The scholar and jurist Eugene Rostow and others have disputed the illegality of authorized settlements." The reference that I have labeled is to the following article: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israeli-settlements-are-not-illegal Israelgale (talk) 15:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Decline. An opinion piece in Tablet (such a neutral source) is presenting new arguments? There are no new arguments, just endlessly recycled old arguments (by Kontorovich, among others). Selfstudier (talk) 16:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 20:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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Change (update) the 2020 OCHA West Bank settlements map (the first image visible on the page) to the 2023 version.

It is available here: https://www.ochaopt.org/content/west-bank-access-restrictions-may-2023 Jefeljefe (talk) 20:23, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. Melmann 08:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Boilerplate "illegal" comment on every settlement article in Misplaced Pages

After reviewing some recent protection requests, I noticed that every settlement article in Misplaced Pages appears to use the same boilerplate paragraph in the lede with regards to the international community's views on settlements and Israel's stance. Certainly this topic should be covered in this article, but it seems a bit heavy handed to stamp it on every individual settlement article. OhNoitsJamie 19:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

That came as a result of WT:Legality of Israeli settlements. As far as heavy handed, its often the most noteworthy thing about any of these settlements, and sources such as the BBC have a policy of including such a statement every time a settlement is even mentioned. nableezy - 19:31, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
To support Nab on this, it is only one sentence and without this convention many articles on settlements would have a much larger section on the illegality. The illegality is a notable feature of every settlement so to have some mention in every such article is reasonable. Our convention actually reduces the total. Zero 00:12, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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Include navigable link to https://en.wikipedia.org/International_community on uses of "International Community." It currently reads as an arbitrary and poorly defined designation. Tattva07 (talk) 11:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Done.Selfstudier (talk) 12:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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Ben Gvir is a resident of a community located in Judea and Samaria. OnlyHumanBean (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

True, I think. Need a source, do you have one? Selfstudier (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
We have sources for it on his own page. However, I am unclear as to why this is being brought up on this page or what article edit is being suggested. We do not seem to have a list of settlement residents here. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 20:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Depends on what the source says, if it is as well linked to Israeli settlements ( a reasonable possibility) then that might be a good thing to have in the article. Selfstudier (talk) 23:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Why, though? We do not appear to mention ‘’anyone’’ else? What is the justification for this exception or the notability for inclusion above anyone else? —OuroborosCobra (talk) 01:21, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
When I see a source, I'll let you know. Selfstudier (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Let me know what, though? If we already do not have a practice in this article of listing residents, why start now? I’m feeling an attempt at POV pushing… —OuroborosCobra (talk) 15:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
I refer you to my previous comment. This is a discussion about nothing at present. Selfstudier (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on Gaza settlements

My understanding is that the settlements in Gaza had a huge effect on the economy for the years that they were there. It's probably worth while to have a section dedicated to the now removed settlements. Any issue with putting taht under "History" with the subsection title "Gaza Strip settlements"? DMH43 (talk) 19:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Please be more specific and mention possible sources. "Had a huge effect on the economy" is too vague, and context matters as well (how is "economy" measured here?). TucanHolmes (talk) 16:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
I have added a section under 'history' DMH43 (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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