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Cuba is supporting maduro and should be added to the battle box

Just saw something about Cuban government forces arriving in Caracas to assist maduro 68.199.243.137 (talk) 18:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide a source, please? Couldn't find anything myself. ZionniThePeruser (talk) 20:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

subst:requested move|2024 Venezuelan unrest|

Not only there are peaceful demonstrations, but civil unrest and violence in between. SpringField23402 (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@SpringField23402: You coded it incorrectly. (CC) Tbhotch 15:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I forgot how to do it SpringField23402 (talk) 15:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Template added

Someone has just added Template:Political POV to the article. However, per the template page:

When to remove

This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. You may remove this template whenever any one of the following is true:

1. ...

2. It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given.

3. In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.

I suggest the template be removed. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I have removed it. The person who added it is a self-described Maduro supporter. By itself that wouldn't be an issue, but when you stop edition for two years to start editing articles you have evident conflicts of interest, the changes must be discussed first. (CC) Tbhotch 15:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) --Dustfreeworld (talk) 21:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry I put the tag without giving a reason. I was editing after I took my nocte psych meds, and I was starting to become sleepy, so I stopped editing. My bad :-(

The reason I put this tag on is because the article content and the language used covering overwhelming favours the talking points of the anti-Chavista hardline opposition. I am going to work on the page so it becomes more two sided. Cheers ^ - ^ Viva Nicolás (talk) 03:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Could you rather not? Its beyond self-evident how "neutral" user 'Viva Nicolas' is going to be, this is mockery of NPOV. Your further language here just proves it beyond doubt. I'm removing the tag. EllsworthSK (talk) 10:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

There's no reason why someone with an explicit political position can't be neutral. Garflasange (talk) 10:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

No sources given or adequate justification for the tag have been provided, many hours later. Tag removed again. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors

This kind of error (in only one piece I checked) is concerning: I hope that someone who speaks Spanish is checking this article for source-to-text integrity. I don't have time to review everything-- I only checked that sentence, which is the last one on the current page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Source queries

Reliability ? https://www.stvincenttimes.com/president-maduro-denounces-violence-perpetrated-by-far-right-in-venezuela/ SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Unreliable. As indicated in the text "SOURCES: Telesur" at the bottom of the page, the St. Vincent Times article is a verbatim republication of an article from  Telesur (RSP entry), a deprecated source. — Newslinger talk 03:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Newslinger; it's always a pleasure to see your name. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 2 August 2024

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2024 Venezuelan protests → 2024 Venezuelan unrest – "Not only there are peaceful demonstrations, but civil unrest and violence in between." SpringField23402 (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC) -- Viva Nicolás (talk) 13:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, seems like a WP:POV fueled move. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I am willing to be convinced that some sort of move is in order, because there is so much more going on than just protests, but a convincing argument for a new title has not yet been put forward and the situation is fast evolving, while this article is such a mess that it's hard to determine what the appropriate name might be. As of now, the article seems focused on the protests. There's a big protest planned for tomorrow (3 August), and a lot of what else is going on amounts to repression and human rights violations rather than unrest. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, same reason as User:Allan Nonymous; see 2020-2021 Belarusian protests 🤓 WeaponizingArchitecture | scream at me 🤓 17:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait: From what I've seen the protests haven't escalated to the severity implied by "unrest" (at least not yet). Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 17:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Support: While there are peaceful demonstrations, there are also videos and pictures of riots and civil unrest. SpringField23402 (talk) 19:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: The article on the protests in Myanmar is labelled Myanmar protests (2021–present) despite also having riots and unrest. There is no reason why this same reasoning cannot apply to this article. Hu753 (talk) 21:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

POV tag

I added a tag to the chronology section, because it silences voices of the pro-Chavista Venezuelans. Feel free to disagree below. Viva Nicolás (talk) 14:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

You've not provided a valid justification for the tag, backed by sources, while you have consistently referenced non-reliable sources (eg in the ITN talk discussion and as queried here), so your tag is probably going to be removed again shortly. Please take a good look at WP:DISRUPT, WP:ADVOCACY and WP:RS. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the tag. Frankly from the username alone this feels incredibly WP:RGW and I'm not enthused in the slightest at the edits that've been made. ser! 14:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Not to mention OP's name is literally "Viva Nicolás". Her attempts at NPOV are thin cover for very non neutral edit actions. Dsobol0513 (talk) 14:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Private defense of those arrested prohibited

To be added:

• https://www.infobae.com/venezuela/2024/08/02/el-regimen-de-venezuela-prohibio-la-defensa-privada-y-acusa-de-terrorismo-a-los-detenidos-en-las-protestas-contra-el-fraude-de-maduro/

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

And, rehabilitating two prisons to house those arrested:

• https://eldiario.com/2024/08/01/carceles-de-tocuyito-y-tocoron-detenidos-protestas/

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Claims of electoral fraud/the legitimacy of the election

I think usage of the terms "claims of electoral fraud" and "alleged electoral fraud" may present a perspective that is too neutral as to whether or not electoral fraud/other unscrupulous activity *probably* occurred. I understand that maintaining neutrality on Misplaced Pages is of the absolute utmost importance, but there seems to be reasonable evidence that electoral fraud occurred . To add to that, almost all South American countries, with the exception of Bolivia, do not recognize the results of the election, and the only countries that disagree regarding this are those that are generally undemocratic and generally aligned with Maduro. Supercavitated 19:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Copying within Misplaced Pages

There have been numerous instances of people copying content from one Misplaced Pages article to another without proper attribution, which violates WP:COPYRIGHT. Please read WP:CWW and indicate with a link to the article you copied from when you bring from another article someone else's writing here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Removal of the belligerents in the infobox should be reversed

I see no reason for why to remove it. In fact, removing all the parties, cartels or other groups and simply saying "government vs opposition" is way too minimalist and hides important information. Sotefosketeiro (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

The list there was too long to be meaningful or useful; I suggest removing even government vs. opposition. It's not a war; it's a government repression. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Add a collapseable list then! 🤓 WeaponizingArchitecture | scream at me 🤓 02:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

"Decades of perceived authoritarianism" in infobox

Should "perceived" be removed from the "Caused by" section of the infobox?

I don't think it should, as it's quite clear. David O. Johnson (talk) 01:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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