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Nomenclature - Abortion/termination/miscarriage

In the UK, at least, the word miscarriage is used for 'spontaneous abortion', and termination is used for 'induced abortion'. The word abortion is not used, at least in the medical sense. I would edit but I'm not allowed, I thought someone could put it in for me?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.99.51.235 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 25 March 2007.

In the first paragraph discussion (see the top of the page and the archives for links to these discussions), some editors believed the word "termination" was a euphemism. I disagreed and said it was a technical medical term, (even here in the US for the most part). If we are to change the first paragraph, we would need to come up with a concreate proposal and make that on the subpages. What might be a better idea is if we added to or changed the information in the "Definitions" section. Do you happen to have an sources for the use of "termination" (all new content, especially controversial content, needs citation here at wikipedia). And do you have an specific wording proposals? Thanks for your comment, and remember to sign all talk page entries by typing four tildes ~~~~ at the end of your posts. -Andrew c 15:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

(Adam, good idea to mention "human" in 2nd sentence of intro instead of first. Gnixon 13:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

Effects of abortion in educational achievement

A new study, by the authors of the mental health & abortion study . Unfortunately, no information on where the paper is being published tho Nil Einne 07:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Breast Cancer Link area is one-sided

Where is there any mentioning of the fact that 13 of 14 studies have found links of breast cancer to abortion? This area of the article needs revamping and a non-biased viewpoint. There have been numerous studies that confirm a link that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer and biological reasons that support it. To only state one side of the issue hampers this site's claim as an encyclopedia.Kaneti 14:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe the ABC section is very strong the way it is. It is sourced, and neutral. It presents both sides without giving undue weight to minority views. It seems like the majority view is that there is no ABC link. No major cancer organization recognizes abortion as a risk factor, and a large number of recent studies have found no link (we cite those studies in the article). However, we do mention the rat studies that found a link, and we do mention the interview based studies that found a link as well. We present both sides, neutrally. Can you explain to me how the section is biased? or more importantly, where it breaks out NPOV policy? How would you change the ABC section to be more accurate and neutral?-Andrew c 15:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear User:Kaneti: You mention 13 out of 14 studies. Could you provide sources to these studies, discuss whether they are in peer-reviewed journals, and mention the scope conditions. Are there any meta-analyses? Such things would make your argument more persuasive. Best, Bellagio99 15:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Partial Birth Abortion

This is real good news, but somebody should expand on how the procedure is done. I've created partial birth abortion section which is important, i gave the dates and details. The law and partial birth abortion, may go together, do not delete, but create sub-section insead.

PBA section

We don't even have a subsection for Roe v. Wade, let alone R. v. Morgentaler or the Irish constitution. Why should we have a section on a Supreme court ruling that only effects the US? We have Abortion in the United States and Abortion law and 3 different articles that cover this topic (IDX, Gonzales vs. Carhart, and the PBA Ban Act). Misplaced Pages is written for a world wide audience, and the top tier article should not have this much detail about one countries laws. And it is backwards to have sections on this latest ruling, when we don't even have sections on more important previous rulings. Therefore, this latest edit does not have consensus and goes against the spirit of this article as established in the past here on talk and would propose removing it until a compromise is met. But I can see no justification for singling out a recent ruling in US courts, but not mentioning the recent Portugal abortion law. We can only fit so much in a top tier article. -Andrew c 18:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

You are wrong, Roe vs Wade is a given and that is what started the abortion in this country, it's already well mentioned in all of the article. Also keep in mind, THIS IS A HUGE MILESTONE IN THIS COUNTRY AND FOR ANTI ABORTION FIGHT. That's why I removed the section and created the sub section, as explained succinctly. As far as the Portuguese law goes, keep in mind that is for abortion, nothing new there. Foremanfan

I myself think it is important, but at the same token that addition needs a lot of clean up and references. Some things could be removed such as when the law will be enforced or the penalty for breaking this new law. But it should at least be mentioned even if other judgments across the Globe have not yet been written. Besides, who is the most watched country in the World? Gilawson 19:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Andrew c is right, this maybe should be put into the article Abortion in the Unites States. I guess there has been and always will be the debates about this due to overlap between the different articles that cover "Abortion". Gilawson 19:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Andrew c. Saying "In this country... IN THIS COUNTRY" is all very well, but "this" is the internet. The relevance of this material to the top-tier issue of abortion is debatable at best. I believe that the Abortion law article is the correct place to discuss current events in US abortion law. Posting new material without consensus and then reverting without consensus is simply no way to behave. SheffieldSteel 19:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I did not mean to say in this country, I am not a heavy user, for a second I forgot this place is used by many people, well... Simply change any minor mistakes I made, be my guest. New material ? That's right, wikipedia is a place where up to date information is placed and this is of huge importance, so why are you sayint things which make no sense. Again, this is a subsection under law, not new paragraph or may be you are one of those pro abortionists instead of neutral editors? This is news of importance for both sides.

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