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Capitalization

So, capitalization counts in the second word in a Proper name, but not in the f/First. Brilliant. When are you going to wake up and change the software and convention? It's inevitable. Give up please. You're wasting our time.

Give me the user interface source, and database source, and I'll fix this myself.

Enjoy!

Err, thanks. Damn I hate that.  ;-p Now, do I have to deal with LDC's claim that "this has been settled, shut up and love it", or can I really just do this?

Well, what exactly do you want? For page titles to be completely case-sensitive and case-preserving (ie, you could have separate Foo, foo, FOO, fOO articles)? The annoying thing about that is that you'll break a zillion links -- non-proper nouns are usually linked to in lowercase... except at the beginning of a sentence, of course. And who wants to write something like "] are known in this area."?
Or, you might want page titles to be case-insensitive, but case-preserving. ie, the actual article might be "foo" or "asteroids", but a link ] or ] will also match the lowercase title. Doable, but again problematic; if the page is first created from an uppercase link, you're stuck with the uppercase title (time to make more redirects!). And if you want to have distinct Foo vs foo pages, how do you distinguish them in links without making the more frequent case of non-proper noun at the beginning of a sentence problematic?
I'm not aware of any prior discussion of this subject on wikipedia (though it probably exists somewhere), but if someone else does I'd be curious to see just how it was settled previously... Personally, I like the status quo just fine with first-letter capitalization, but if something else can be made to work cleanly and keep everyone happy, I'm open to suggestions. --Brion VIBBER

The discussion took place under "Wiki Canonization", or something like that. and what we actually agreed to do is to be even less case-senstive than we are now, by uppercasing the first letter of every word in titles, and matching them with links in either case. That's actually the way I'd like to see it, but before that software change came into effect we switched to the new software.

Please realize that the single most important thing that makes Wikis work is easy linking; that is, one can merrily type along and suddenly decide to put brackets around chess because you think it would be nice to link, and behold, it magically links to an article about chess. Now, since the English language requires using the same word with different capitalization in different contexts (like the beginning of a sentence, inside a title, etc.), the sanity of the system demands some basic case-insentive matching. That also makes searching reasonable. That makes it a little trickier to distinguish between one-word generic terms and proper nouns, but that's a minority case and has reasonable workarounds, and anyway that's already the way real encyclopedia's work (Britannica, for instance, has titles in ALL CAPS). Now it could still be case-preserving, but then titles would look really ugly. Better to have titles be in standard English case, so that they are what educated people expect--or at least people who have read our naming conventions.

Being totally case-sensitive is simply not an option. It would make 90% of the pages redirects, make links point to the wrong place, make searches a major pain in the ass, and many other things. Being totally case-insensitive actually is a good option, and I'd be all for it, and put all the titles in ALL CAPS; that would work well, but it would be ugly. Of course we could also have total separation of page title and link address, but that defeats the whole purpose of a Wiki. So we compromised on the system as it is--it's not as easy to use as all caps, it's not as pretty or as flexible as total sensitivity. But it's a good compromise, and you're the only one whining about it. -- Lee Daniel Crocker

Thanks for the link, Lee. For what it's worth, Capitaliztion Of The First Letter Of Every Word In The Title is what the old software that's still running on most of the Non-English Wikipedias does. It's hideously ugly; I much prefer the first-letter capitalization we have here, and would generally prefer to keep it that way and convert the others to the first-letter scheme. However I see no pressing need for lowercase first letters in titles, which is also ugly. Brion VIBBER


Except, of course, for articles like pH -- but things like that are a rare exceptions to the general rule. Perhaps we should have initial uppercasing as the default when creating article, but allow articles to be moved to lowercase-initial titles, by simply not forcing the issue in the move code.

Language

"7-Eleven is the world's largest chain of small convenience stores". Now isn't that a nice statement. WHAT IS "SMALL"? 10 square inch? 10 acres? - Jerryseinfeld 03:07, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fixt. Adraeus 03:44, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Which states have gasoline-selling 7-11s? Which do not?

Melbourne has numerous 7-11 service stations.

"Trivia"

I removed this from the trivia section:

That is an urban legend about it, it says the logo is designed considering the numerology or Feng Shui. Most 7-Eleven stores locate at the corner of the street (author: which is ideal for business according to Feng Shui). The small n acts as the magnet (shape) to draw in luck or money. Moreover, small "n" looks smoother and more comfortable than the big "N".

I found this rather confusing and it's probably not verifiable, considering it is an "urban myth". And that last part is purely opinion. Thought I would show some courtesy with a note here. If there are any problems, Mrtea 04:19, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Page name

Shouldnt this article be at 7-Eleven rather than where it is now? The company literature uses this name, and it's used throughout the aticle as well. Is there any particular reason it's at Seven-Eleven? GeeJo (t) (c) • 14:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, done it myself. If it's reverted, would the mover kindly give a reason? GeeJo (t) (c) • 14:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Pennsylvania

Why does this article labour over PA so much? Are there really more stores there; is it actually notable? It mentions a town of 60,000 with four, but that doesn't strike me as particularly extreme. Salt Lake County, UT with about 900,000 residents has 70, which is a better ratio. What source says the store is particularly prolific in Pennsylvania? 65.100.218.191 12:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Anyone? Anyone? Should be removed if not cited. 24.10.196.167 19:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Gulps

Does 711 even sell the bigger gulps anymore? I think the largest they offer is 44. Check the product page here. PrettyMuchBryce 20:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Mysterious linking problem

Don't know the exact reason, but why my photo cannot be displayed correctly here while it's totally okay in Chinese Misplaced Pages?--SElefant 19:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hawaii

It may be worth noting that Hawaii's 7-Elevens are treated as part of the Japanese operation and, like those in Japan the article describes, carry personal hygeine products, condoms, etc. (And alongside the hot dogs, they have Musubi and such.) This shouldn't really be a surprise given the ethnic diversity of Hawaii.

Oh, and here in Hilo (pop. around 50,000) there are 4 7-Eleven stores within an area of 3x2 miles, or 6 square miles. :) Take that, Pennsylvania.

Dan 12:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Heh, I hadn't been to Japan in a couple of years, went to Hawaii on a military training assignment and walked into a 7-11. I was honestly surprised to find my beloved onigiri in America. Bless her heart, the lady at the counter probably thought I went mad when I bought 10 different flavors. :) Shadowrun 08:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Maryland

I work at 7-Eleven in Maryland, (Southern Maryland might I add) and I have never once heard it called "S'leven." And I happen to have anouther 7-Eleven practically across the street from my store.

Critical mass

The "United States" section currently includes this statement: "7-Eleven attempts to have critical mass in the regions in which they are located." I'm deleting it because it's meaningless. (How would you even define what "critical mass" means for a chain of convenience stores?) Pat Berry 18:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia pruning

In response to the cleanup request, I'm removing all items that note nothing more interesting than that 7-Eleven was referred to or portrayed in some movie or some song. The chain is an institution; it isn't noteworthy that it comes up pop culture contexts. I'm leaving items that are quirky, though, such as the one about 7 to the 11th power in Futurama.

I'm also removing the item about one of their promotions and its movie tie-in. They have promotions all the time. There's nothing remarkable about this one. And Jay Leno often jokes about their new promotions? So what? Jay Leno jokes about anything topical.

Finally, I'm integrating the tiny orphan Trivia section near the top into the United States section.

31,000?

Is that in the U.S. or worldwide employees? I am guessing just U.S. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.13 (talk) 09:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Canada

Under the Canada section, it states that there are "several locations in Toronto, Ontario". Is there any particular reason why these locations are deemed more important than locations in other Canadian cities or does this simply reflect their centre of the universe mentality?

Hyphen?

Well, I noticed something today. Throughout the entire article, hyphens are used in 7-Eleven. Shouldn't an en dash be used, since it's a closed range (because the stores were originally opened from 7:00 AM – 11:00 PM)? I wasn't sure, and it's not my place to radically change an article without first consulting the Talk page, so I'll throw this out into the open. EctoplasmOnToast 04:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Media section

I added a little something in the Media Section, a quote from Rush Hour 2. I'm pretty sure that this is what they said, but could someone confirm? Thanks Duhman0009 16:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Taiwan

I've changed Taiwan from labeling it as Southeast Asia to East Asia.

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