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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Arabs was copied or moved into Demographics of the Arab League with this edit on 21 December 2016. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Section sizes Section size for Arabs (49 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 45,365 45,365 Etymology 5,052 5,052 Origins 9,808 9,808 History 11,268 85,866 Antiquity 16,189 35,950 Classical antiquity 14,572 14,572 Late antiquity 5,189 5,189 Middle Ages 4,588 20,591 Arab empires 24 16,003 Rashidun era (632–661) 3,451 3,451 Umayyad era (661–750 and 756–1031) 2,832 2,832 Abbasid era (750–1258 and 1261–1517) 2,705 2,705 Fatimid era (909–1171) 3,170 3,170 Ottoman era (1517–1918) 3,821 3,821 Renaissance 8,636 8,636 Modern period 9,421 9,421 Identity 3,110 3,110 Subgroups 10,094 10,094 Geographic distribution 30 37,184 Arab homeland 876 876 Arab diaspora 2,575 36,278 Europe 9,030 9,030 Americas 12,661 12,661 Caucasus 2,552 2,552 Central, South, East and Southeast Asia 5,481 5,481 Sub-Saharan Africa 3,979 3,979 Religion 10,051 10,051 Culture 1,038 70,680 Language 3,007 3,007 Mythology 3,505 3,505 Literature 8,327 8,327 Cuisine 1,607 1,607 Art 8,555 8,555 Architecture 4,323 4,323 Music 5,907 5,907 Spirituality 4,512 4,512 Philosophy 2,678 2,678 Science 18,750 18,750 Theatre 2,854 2,854 Fashion 2,425 2,425 Wedding and marriage 3,192 3,192 Genetics 7,762 7,762 See also 129 129 References 17 11,007 Notes 47 47 Citations 49 49 Sources 10,894 10,894 Further reading 601 601 External links 667 667 Total 297,376 297,376

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remove text as there is an insane ampount! 64.189.18.28 (talk) 04:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done It's unclear what part you want to have removed. Aintabli (talk) 04:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit proposal

I would sincerely ask that you directly, clearly and unambiguously emphasize the Semitic origin in the first paragraph. Thanks. Bagyblazha (talk) 15:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The style of your request suggests that it's not simply about adding information but about taking a contentious stand on the matter, which Misplaced Pages doesn't do. Largoplazo (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Excuse me, but what is disputed? In the article about Russians, it says that they are Slavic, Turks are Turkish, Spaniards are Romance... Bagyblazha (talk) 18:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I didn't say anything is disputed. Largoplazo (talk) 23:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

For that matter, I just removed "Romance" from the first sentence of Spaniards, as "Romance" isn't normally used to characterize peoples. We don't even have an article on "Romance peoples", that link led to Romance languages. Largoplazo (talk) 23:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

This whole article is a disgraceful mess.

I tried to fix it but there is too much that can be done by one person. The main problem in the article is that the editors are mixing up actual Arabs - those who speak variants of Arabic or proto-Arabic - with speakers of the Old South Arabian languages, such as the Sabaeans. The Arabs are less related to the Sabaeans than they are to the Canaanite groups such as Hebrews and Edomites. "Arabian" doesn't mean "of Arabs", it just means "from Arabia".

This whole article is pretty laughable and extremely poor quality. It gives a very misleading view of the relationship between the Semitic peoples and their languages. The Mummy (talk) 12:22, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you looking it this as a matter of genetics? The article explains up front that it's covering Arabs as an ethnic group. As the Ethnicity article holds, "An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups." In other words, it's a distinct classification from a purely genetic one. Largoplazo (talk) 12:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

No, it has little to do do with genetics and more to do with actual ethno-linguistics. The speakers of the Old South Arabian languages and those who spoke (and speak) Arabic didn't consider themselves the same people and there is literally no evidence that they did. The Sabaean, for instance, are not ethnic "Arabs" when it comes to genetics, linguistics or cultural affiliation and even Hebrews and Aramaeans are more related (ethno-linguistically speaking) to Arabs. "Arab" and "Arabian" in this context are two different things.

Old South Arabian is a subgroup of the South Semitic language group and Arabic is a subgroup of Central Semitic, as are Hebrew and Aramaic. If we are going to claim that more distant ethno-linguistic groups are "Arabs" we might as well claim that Hebrews are too, as they are more closely related as an ethno-linguistic group to actual Arabs. The Mummy (talk) 10:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

This is good information! Do you have sources relating to the topic? It sounds like it ought to be included. Zanahary (talk) 07:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Almost every other article on an ethnicity defines or characterizes said ethnicity by genetics though.

Japanese for example. Maxwatermelon (talk) 16:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Even if that was a fact (I haven't checked), how is it relevant to this article? M.Bitton (talk) 17:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems irrelevant to me. It’s very likely that scholarship on Japanese ethnicity is different from scholarship on Arab ethnicity in this regard. @The Mummy do you have any recommended reading on the complication of the term “Arab” and its historicity? Zanahary (talk) 19:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Or, better: please add some content to this article about it! Zanahary (talk) 19:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

From the fact that many ethnicities are entirely determined by genetic unity, it doesn't follow that all of them are. Largoplazo (talk) 19:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Lakhmid Kingdom map

This map is misleading as it draws the territorial area of the Lakhmids using the borders of modern political subdivisions. Somebody probably made it using mapchart.net or another similar utility. It should be deleted or replaced with something higher quality. Raccoon Enthusiast (talk) 16:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Wrong information

This is just generalizing on entire groups of people with different cultures and ancestries that they are all Arabs. This article like Persians is entirely misleading. There are Arabic speaking people in Bahrain of Iranian Ancestry and most Kuwaitis are Iranian of origin, further more Egyptians and North Africans in generally have completely different genetics (same with Morocans most of which are Amazigh) and history and dialects of Arabic influenced by their older languages. The ethnic Arabs are those with high level of J1 Haplogroup such as Yemen and Saudi, and that's it. Actual Arabs are a minority everywhere else. Mrox2 (talk) 16:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

You appear to be conflating ethnicity with haplogroups. Largoplazo (talk) 17:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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