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Why does the article focus so much on the brittish impact on caste up front?

I would just think a later adaptation of the caste system would be addressed later, and an article about the caste system in India would start with how the caste system in India started, to serve as a basis to preface and contrast the later transformation. Later. On in the article. The first few paragraphs after the first, which seems to strongly preface this theme, seem to be dedicated to emphasizing how much the brittish leveraged and transformed the caste system in the colonial process, which is definitely a highly relevant and serious matter that should be included in the article, but having so much of it up front seems like either deliberately biased framing or exceptionally poor organization. Is that crazy of me to think that? I hope I'm not just imagining things. 66.161.198.172 (talk) 00:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

i thought the same thing it's so misleading creates an idea that cast formed during British era which is totally misleading. 2409:4073:4E8D:60A6:0:0:578B:A503 (talk) 23:56, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
This is the take of many modern academics, here and in many other subjects - blame everything on the British, and if that fails, the Mughals. It is very largely nonsense of course. Johnbod (talk) 04:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Yes it’s sad how history gets lost and misrepresented by picking and choosing how we frame and contextualize historical events. It’s so easy to corrupt the nuances of history 2600:1700:2191:41A0:D1CE:E254:9D0C:A26D (talk) 11:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
I agree it’s blatantly pushing a sort of narrative in my view and not representing it properly 2600:1700:2191:41A0:D1CE:E254:9D0C:A26D (talk) 11:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Biased framework

the article seems biased in its framing if not technically correct. It presents the caste system as something secular that arose after colonial rule and downplays its significance in pre-Mughal pre- colonial India. It’s misleading to frame the caste system of Hinduism and the caste system of today as totally separate entities when they arose from the same ideas and sources 2600:1700:2191:41A0:D1CE:E254:9D0C:A26D (talk) 11:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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add that Kayasth are also kept at the same pedestal as brahmins from the mughal raj to the british raj and were richer and more powerful than them in many cases . reference - https://en.wikipedia.org/Kayastha#:~:text=According%20to%20Christian%20Novetzke%2C%20in,status%20of%20CKPs%20as%20Kshatriya. Spirithero (talk) 07:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. Refer to WP:Citing Misplaced Pages Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Ancient DNA research

While I do not have access to Reich's 2018 book, I do have access to the study by Nakatsuka et al (2017) that is also cited in this section. Neither that study, nor the methodology explained in the Ancient DNA section, seem to involve any Ancient DNA at all. Instead, they seem to have taken DNA of modern humans and then used their knowledge of evolutionary theory to extrapolate the likely age of the last common ancestors of the individual clades. If we want to keep a separate section for this methodology, I would propose changing the title simply to genetics research or similar, and then also move the reference to the 2016 DNA-based study mentioned at the end of the Jatis section to here. Felix QW (talk) 11:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I implemented the changes I mentioned above, as there has ben no further input on this. Felix QW (talk) 09:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Skin color

I was reading encyclopedia articles from the 80s and 90s. It said that people who were higher in the caste system had lighter color skin and people lower on the caste system had darker color skin. It is implied that the caste system is a form of racism. Hope this helps the article.

caste system

Growth of the caste 2409:4065:C00:C19B:0:0:A6CA:4600 (talk) 18:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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